Kumon instructor is a real bi****

[Anonymous]

OP, can you define what you mean by crude?

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Anonymous wrote:Kumon is stupid. Your kid can be super awesome at math without Kumon.

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That is the dumbest comment ever. You're shaming people for getting academic help.

“Academic help?” People make their kids do Kumon because they think it’s the key to bring the top of the class. If your kid actually needs help to stay on grade level, you need a tutor. Doing piles of Kumon worksheets isn’t teaching math it’s practicing math.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Kumon is stupid. Your kid can be super awesome at math without Kumon.

+1

That is the dumbest comment ever. You're shaming people for getting academic help.

“Academic help?” People make their kids do Kumon because they think it’s the key to bring the top of the class. If your kid actually needs help to stay on grade level, you need a tutor. Doing piles of Kumon worksheets isn’t teaching math it’s practicing math.

To be fair, a lot of students do improve their conceptual understanding with lots of rote practice, because that's what their school was missing, and for some brains it takes a million practice problems for it to click. But you don't need a paid service for that, I agree.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kumon is stupid. Your kid can be super awesome at math without Kumon.

+1

That is the dumbest comment ever. You're shaming people for getting academic help.

“Academic help?” People make their kids do Kumon because they think it’s the key to bring the top of the class. If your kid actually needs help to stay on grade level, you need a tutor. Doing piles of Kumon worksheets isn’t teaching math it’s practicing math.

To be fair, a lot of students do improve their conceptual understanding with lots of rote practice, because that's what their school was missing, and for some brains it takes a million practice problems for it to click. But you don't need a paid service for that, I agree.

Which students learn concepts from rote practice?
Learning concepts comes from non-rote practice, making connections between different ideas.

Rote practice miseducates by making the student think one specific computation is the "real" math. Then they grow up and throw fits over schools teaching their kids mathematical concepts the parents don't understand.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A lot of people who work with kids are shockingly bad at working with kids.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.

+1. Yup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kumon is stupid. Your kid can be super awesome at math without Kumon.

+1

That is the dumbest comment ever. You're shaming people for getting academic help.

“Academic help?” People make their kids do Kumon because they think it’s the key to bring the top of the class. If your kid actually needs help to stay on grade level, you need a tutor. Doing piles of Kumon worksheets isn’t teaching math it’s practicing math.

To be fair, a lot of students do improve their conceptual understanding with lots of rote practice, because that's what their school was missing, and for some brains it takes a million practice problems for it to click. But you don't need a paid service for that, I agree.

Which students learn concepts from rote practice?
Learning concepts comes from non-rote practice, making connections between different ideas.

Rote practice miseducates by making the student think one specific computation is the "real" math. Then they grow up and throw fits over schools teaching their kids mathematical concepts the parents don't understand.

To put in simple terms, rote practice exercises the brain and more brain exercise equals better performance in all areas. To give an example, when my then 5 year old was learning to tell analog time, she struggled with the concept of the hour hand being closer to the nearest whole hour. So we gave her lots of practice worksheets in addition to working with her on concepts. One day she comes up to me excited because she discovered that the minute hand moves 60 times faster than the hour hand. She also discovered that besides 6:00 there were other times during the day when the hour and minute hands were 180 degrees apart. Without the rote practice, those insights would have come much later. What Kumon does can help, but it's only part of what a math learner needs, and it certainly isn't worth what people are paying for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kumon is stupid. Your kid can be super awesome at math without Kumon.

+1

That is the dumbest comment ever. You're shaming people for getting academic help.

“Academic help?” People make their kids do Kumon because they think it’s the key to bring the top of the class. If your kid actually needs help to stay on grade level, you need a tutor. Doing piles of Kumon worksheets isn’t teaching math it’s practicing math.

To be fair, a lot of students do improve their conceptual understanding with lots of rote practice, because that's what their school was missing, and for some brains it takes a million practice problems for it to click. But you don't need a paid service for that, I agree.

Which students learn concepts from rote practice?
Learning concepts comes from non-rote practice, making connections between different ideas.

Rote practice miseducates by making the student think one specific computation is the "real" math. Then they grow up and throw fits over schools teaching their kids mathematical concepts the parents don't understand.

To put in simple terms, rote practice exercises the brain and more brain exercise equals better performance in all areas. To give an example, when my then 5 year old was learning to tell analog time, she struggled with the concept of the hour hand being closer to the nearest whole hour. So we gave her lots of practice worksheets in addition to working with her on concepts. One day she comes up to me excited because she discovered that the minute hand moves 60 times faster than the hour hand. She also discovered that besides 6:00 there were other times during the day when the hour and minute hands were 180 degrees apart. Without the rote practice, those insights would have come much later. What Kumon does can help, but it's only part of what a math learner needs, and it certainly isn't worth what people are paying for it.

If you have kids at a school were memorizing math facts is never covered then it absolutely is worth the money. People keep posting about AOPS, and yes it is great but you can't do AOPS algebra effectively if you don't have math facts memorized. The program is intended to be used WITHOUT a calculator. My son used AOPS algebra before there were in person classes by self-studying from the algebra book. That is how it was originally intended to be used. You have to be able to quickly and effortlessly recognize and reduce fractions like 80/560. If you don't have math facts memorized it would take you a ridiculously long time to solve problems. Additionally, the explanations assume you know math facts. Studying two to three years at Kumon from 1-3 grades was well worth the money for our kids. Homework and classwork is done really quickly when you are in a class with kids who don't instantaneously know their math facts and you do. My kids were always the first to finish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kumon is stupid. Your kid can be super awesome at math without Kumon.

+1

That is the dumbest comment ever. You're shaming people for getting academic help.

“Academic help?” People make their kids do Kumon because they think it’s the key to bring the top of the class. If your kid actually needs help to stay on grade level, you need a tutor. Doing piles of Kumon worksheets isn’t teaching math it’s practicing math.

To be fair, a lot of students do improve their conceptual understanding with lots of rote practice, because that's what their school was missing, and for some brains it takes a million practice problems for it to click. But you don't need a paid service for that, I agree.

Which students learn concepts from rote practice?
Learning concepts comes from non-rote practice, making connections between different ideas.

Rote practice miseducates by making the student think one specific computation is the "real" math. Then they grow up and throw fits over schools teaching their kids mathematical concepts the parents don't understand.

To put in simple terms, rote practice exercises the brain and more brain exercise equals better performance in all areas. To give an example, when my then 5 year old was learning to tell analog time, she struggled with the concept of the hour hand being closer to the nearest whole hour. So we gave her lots of practice worksheets in addition to working with her on concepts. One day she comes up to me excited because she discovered that the minute hand moves 60 times faster than the hour hand. She also discovered that besides 6:00 there were other times during the day when the hour and minute hands were 180 degrees apart. Without the rote practice, those insights would have come much later. What Kumon does can help, but it's only part of what a math learner needs, and it certainly isn't worth what people are paying for it.

If you have kids at a school were memorizing math facts is never covered then it absolutely is worth the money. People keep posting about AOPS, and yes it is great but you can't do AOPS algebra effectively if you don't have math facts memorized. The program is intended to be used WITHOUT a calculator. My son used AOPS algebra before there were in person classes by self-studying from the algebra book. That is how it was originally intended to be used. You have to be able to quickly and effortlessly recognize and reduce fractions like 80/560. If you don't have math facts memorized it would take you a ridiculously long time to solve problems. Additionally, the explanations assume you know math facts. Studying two to three years at Kumon from 1-3 grades was well worth the money for our kids. Homework and classwork is done really quickly when you are in a class with kids who don't instantaneously know their math facts, and you do. My kids were always the first to finish.

Op here. It's $150 per month per subject, and my son does both. It's worth it for me as I save time finding worksheets or workbooks. The whole system is there and there isn't much work for me. I work fulltime and I am not organized enough to do this every day. I don't think my child would follow through with the homework if I were assigned it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kumon is stupid. Your kid can be super awesome at math without Kumon.

+1

That is the dumbest comment ever. You're shaming people for getting academic help.

“Academic help?” People make their kids do Kumon because they think it’s the key to bring the top of the class. If your kid actually needs help to stay on grade level, you need a tutor. Doing piles of Kumon worksheets isn’t teaching math it’s practicing math.

To be fair, a lot of students do improve their conceptual understanding with lots of rote practice, because that's what their school was missing, and for some brains it takes a million practice problems for it to click. But you don't need a paid service for that, I agree.

Which students learn concepts from rote practice?
Learning concepts comes from non-rote practice, making connections between different ideas.

Rote practice miseducates by making the student think one specific computation is the "real" math. Then they grow up and throw fits over schools teaching their kids mathematical concepts the parents don't understand.

To put in simple terms, rote practice exercises the brain and more brain exercise equals better performance in all areas. To give an example, when my then 5 year old was learning to tell analog time, she struggled with the concept of the hour hand being closer to the nearest whole hour. So we gave her lots of practice worksheets in addition to working with her on concepts. One day she comes up to me excited because she discovered that the minute hand moves 60 times faster than the hour hand. She also discovered that besides 6:00 there were other times during the day when the hour and minute hands were 180 degrees apart. Without the rote practice, those insights would have come much later. What Kumon does can help, but it's only part of what a math learner needs, and it certainly isn't worth what people are paying for it.

If you have kids at a school were memorizing math facts is never covered then it absolutely is worth the money. People keep posting about AOPS, and yes it is great but you can't do AOPS algebra effectively if you don't have math facts memorized. The program is intended to be used WITHOUT a calculator. My son used AOPS algebra before there were in person classes by self-studying from the algebra book. That is how it was originally intended to be used. You have to be able to quickly and effortlessly recognize and reduce fractions like 80/560. If you don't have math facts memorized it would take you a ridiculously long time to solve problems. Additionally, the explanations assume you know math facts. Studying two to three years at Kumon from 1-3 grades was well worth the money for our kids. Homework and classwork is done really quickly when you are in a class with kids who don't instantaneously know their math facts and you do. My kids were always the first to finish.

Very true. I worked in a top elementary school and teachers would tell students in 3rd and 4th grade to memorize math facts, specifically the times table, but they would not plan time during math for students to practice. It was expected that students would memorize the facts at home. In this school a lot of parents made sure this happened but for the students whose parents didn't teach it or pay someone else to teach it to their child they were at a definite disadvantage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kumon is stupid. Your kid can be super awesome at math without Kumon.

+1

That is the dumbest comment ever. You're shaming people for getting academic help.

“Academic help?” People make their kids do Kumon because they think it’s the key to bring the top of the class. If your kid actually needs help to stay on grade level, you need a tutor. Doing piles of Kumon worksheets isn’t teaching math it’s practicing math.

To be fair, a lot of students do improve their conceptual understanding with lots of rote practice, because that's what their school was missing, and for some brains it takes a million practice problems for it to click. But you don't need a paid service for that, I agree.

Which students learn concepts from rote practice?
Learning concepts comes from non-rote practice, making connections between different ideas.

Rote practice miseducates by making the student think one specific computation is the "real" math. Then they grow up and throw fits over schools teaching their kids mathematical concepts the parents don't understand.

To put in simple terms, rote practice exercises the brain and more brain exercise equals better performance in all areas. To give an example, when my then 5 year old was learning to tell analog time, she struggled with the concept of the hour hand being closer to the nearest whole hour. So we gave her lots of practice worksheets in addition to working with her on concepts. One day she comes up to me excited because she discovered that the minute hand moves 60 times faster than the hour hand. She also discovered that besides 6:00 there were other times during the day when the hour and minute hands were 180 degrees apart. Without the rote practice, those insights would have come much later. What Kumon does can help, but it's only part of what a math learner needs, and it certainly isn't worth what people are paying for it.

If you have kids at a school were memorizing math facts is never covered then it absolutely is worth the money. People keep posting about AOPS, and yes it is great but you can't do AOPS algebra effectively if you don't have math facts memorized. The program is intended to be used WITHOUT a calculator. My son used AOPS algebra before there were in person classes by self-studying from the algebra book. That is how it was originally intended to be used. You have to be able to quickly and effortlessly recognize and reduce fractions like 80/560. If you don't have math facts memorized it would take you a ridiculously long time to solve problems. Additionally, the explanations assume you know math facts. Studying two to three years at Kumon from 1-3 grades was well worth the money for our kids. Homework and classwork is done really quickly when you are in a class with kids who don't instantaneously know their math facts, and you do. My kids were always the first to finish.

Op here. It's $150 per month per subject, and my son does both. It's worth it for me as I save time finding worksheets or workbooks. The whole system is there and there isn't much work for me. I work fulltime and I am not organized enough to do this every day. I don't think my child would follow through with the homework if I were assigned it.

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Most of the elementary math is available in the form of free worksheets and plenty low priced workbooks from amazon. But the biggest parenting challenge is making the child sit everyday and work on them. Kids may be smart, intelligent, gifted, etc. and show great interest in learning conceptual math but one thing they wont readily do is work on boring yet necessary repetitive math and that too at the direction of parent. Even for a super smart brilliant advanced kid, the only way to develop math proficiency is by going through boring repetition which is very difficult for a parent to facilitate and a kid to accept as necessary. This is where Kumon offers the valuable and economical way of acting as an external entity to which a child feels obligated to report to and sees other kids of their age do the boring repetitive math. By enrolling in Kumon, the parent is buying this sense of obligation and peer environment for their child, not their worksheets. Kumon however has a two year burnout period for most kids, so placing those two years somewhere between 1st and 3rd grade works best, before moving onto something else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kumon is stupid. Your kid can be super awesome at math without Kumon.

+1

That is the dumbest comment ever. You're shaming people for getting academic help.

“Academic help?” People make their kids do Kumon because they think it’s the key to bring the top of the class. If your kid actually needs help to stay on grade level, you need a tutor. Doing piles of Kumon worksheets isn’t teaching math it’s practicing math.

To be fair, a lot of students do improve their conceptual understanding with lots of rote practice, because that's what their school was missing, and for some brains it takes a million practice problems for it to click. But you don't need a paid service for that, I agree.

Which students learn concepts from rote practice?
Learning concepts comes from non-rote practice, making connections between different ideas.

Rote practice miseducates by making the student think one specific computation is the "real" math. Then they grow up and throw fits over schools teaching their kids mathematical concepts the parents don't understand.

Math learning involves two essential components - Building conceptual understanding and Developing proficiency. One without the other does no good. Schools attempt to focus on just conceptual understanding but do very little on developing proficiency. Teachers can only do so much given the class size, varied and time allowed, so they choose to focus on teaching concepts. Developing proficiency involves repetition which is boring and not fun at all for the student, but the only practical way a teacher can accomplish is by assigning substantial homework problems. Parents who understand the need for developing proficiency welcome teacher assigned homework, but uninformed parents has succeeded in forcing schools to foolishly adopt a limited or no-homework policy. Informed parents with superior parenting skills use homegrown methods with free worksheets and workbooks but others who want to save their tough love for something else other than math lean on the likes of Kumon.

Kumon method is heavily focused on developing proficiency through computational math repetition. For developing conceptual understanding and math application, parents still need to engage other avenues like singapore math, word problems, competitive math, etc.

[Anonymous]

We're South Asian and I would leave. I'm so over this pressure on kids to do so much academically to the detriment of their mental health. Nah, we're good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We're South Asian and I would leave. I'm so over this pressure on kids to do so much academically to the detriment of their mental health. Nah, we're good.

The op said her kid enjoys it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We're South Asian and I would leave. I'm so over this pressure on kids to do so much academically to the detriment of their mental health. Nah, we're good.

The op said her kid enjoys it.

Most kids watch way too many hours of tv. Kumon isn't going to kill them.

[Anonymous]

You're paying for someone to be harder on your kid so you can always be the good guy. Oh, poor you...that lady is a meanie! But you got a better score than the star classmate on the math test, right? Right!? Make me look good here, kid.