Cornell, Case or UChicago

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

Honest question- is UChicago the only one in its cohort ( I.e ivys, T20 ) graduating large number of students in low paying professions? Something is missing

Honest answer. You are still not thinking straight. Have you looked at the majors with the best paid graduates? Engineering is a big one. Chicago does not have an engineering program. Computer Science is also a big earner. It's only in the last few years that Chicago has put it's focus on CS and the results are already visible. However it is still not in the top five in terms of number of students graduating with a degree in CS (as per the college scorecard website, although enrollment is now surging, and it is fast overtaking other majors at Chicago, so the ROI results in the next five years will be very different) even though it is the one with the highest average earnings at Chicago. The only major that Chicago had that had decent post graduation wages was Economics, and about 25% of students got this degree, but the pipeline to banking and consulting were weak till maybe five years ago. Now they are top notch and the results are showing.
Biology, political science, public policy etc are the top majors at Chicago as per the college scorecard. Most of these pay really poorly after graduation.
Yes. Chicago is definitely an outlier when it comes to percentage of students graduating in high paying majors. For example, Harvard and Stanford still graduate 3x students in CS as Chicago with approx the same incoming class size. Clearly that will affect average ROI.
So comparing average ROI is foolish.

If you compare Chicago for CS with other schools in the same Rough geography like Northwestern, UIUC, CWU, or schools in the south like Duke or Rice fir specific majors like for example CS, Chicago holds up very very well and beats most of these schools in average pay. Even when comparing against East and West Coast schools where the cost of living is significantly higher, Chicago holds out pretty well in average pay for specific majors. That still doesn't mean it is the right school for everybody, but unless ROI takes into account major and geography, it's a useless metric. Decisions should be made on other factors

Safety. It's horrible when you consider the number of deaths.

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Choose the school based on whether it defined its success in terms of student's success.

Chicago needs OP's money.

Case is investing in OPs child, betting that s/he will be stellar at Case and beyond.

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Are you talking about number of deaths in U of Chicago ??/

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

Honest question- is UChicago the only one in its cohort ( I.e ivys, T20 ) graduating large number of students in low paying professions? Something is missing

Honest answer. You are still not thinking straight. Have you looked at the majors with the best paid graduates? Engineering is a big one. Chicago does not have an engineering program. Computer Science is also a big earner. It's only in the last few years that Chicago has put it's focus on CS and the results are already visible. However it is still not in the top five in terms of number of students graduating with a degree in CS (as per the college scorecard website, although enrollment is now surging, and it is fast overtaking other majors at Chicago, so the ROI results in the next five years will be very different) even though it is the one with the highest average earnings at Chicago. The only major that Chicago had that had decent post graduation wages was Economics, and about 25% of students got this degree, but the pipeline to banking and consulting were weak till maybe five years ago. Now they are top notch and the results are showing.
Biology, political science, public policy etc are the top majors at Chicago as per the college scorecard. Most of these pay really poorly after graduation.
Yes. Chicago is definitely an outlier when it comes to percentage of students graduating in high paying majors. For example, Harvard and Stanford still graduate 3x students in CS as Chicago with approx the same incoming class size. Clearly that will affect average ROI.
So comparing average ROI is foolish.

If you compare Chicago for CS with other schools in the same Rough geography like Northwestern, UIUC, CWU, or schools in the south like Duke or Rice fir specific majors like for example CS, Chicago holds up very very well and beats most of these schools in average pay. Even when comparing against East and West Coast schools where the cost of living is significantly higher, Chicago holds out pretty well in average pay for specific majors. That still doesn't mean it is the right school for everybody, but unless ROI takes into account major and geography, it's a useless metric. Decisions should be made on other factors

You provided no stats. No source. It's all booster talk.

I am not here to spoon feed you moron. Google it. If you can read, my previous post will tell you where you can find the actual data I've cited. If you cannot or chose not to, just shut up.

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

Honest question- is UChicago the only one in its cohort ( I.e ivys, T20 ) graduating large number of students in low paying professions? Something is missing

Honest answer. You are still not thinking straight. Have you looked at the majors with the best paid graduates? Engineering is a big one. Chicago does not have an engineering program. Computer Science is also a big earner. It's only in the last few years that Chicago has put it's focus on CS and the results are already visible. However it is still not in the top five in terms of number of students graduating with a degree in CS (as per the college scorecard website, although enrollment is now surging, and it is fast overtaking other majors at Chicago, so the ROI results in the next five years will be very different) even though it is the one with the highest average earnings at Chicago. The only major that Chicago had that had decent post graduation wages was Economics, and about 25% of students got this degree, but the pipeline to banking and consulting were weak till maybe five years ago. Now they are top notch and the results are showing.
Biology, political science, public policy etc are the top majors at Chicago as per the college scorecard. Most of these pay really poorly after graduation.
Yes. Chicago is definitely an outlier when it comes to percentage of students graduating in high paying majors. For example, Harvard and Stanford still graduate 3x students in CS as Chicago with approx the same incoming class size. Clearly that will affect average ROI.
So comparing average ROI is foolish.

If you compare Chicago for CS with other schools in the same Rough geography like Northwestern, UIUC, CWU, or schools in the south like Duke or Rice fir specific majors like for example CS, Chicago holds up very very well and beats most of these schools in average pay. Even when comparing against East and West Coast schools where the cost of living is significantly higher, Chicago holds out pretty well in average pay for specific majors. That still doesn't mean it is the right school for everybody, but unless ROI takes into account major and geography, it's a useless metric. Decisions should be made on other factors

You provided no stats. No source. It's all booster talk.

I am not here to spoon feed you moron. Google it. If you can read, my previous post will tell you where you can find the actual data I've cited. If you cannot or chose not to, just shut up.

This is how UChicago runs its classes.
Chicago style.

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I like Chicago for the city - diversity, internship opportunities, culture, sports, etc. Friend's DD rejected Case for the vibe but they were ok going full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:What if she changes her mind on pre-med? Go with UChicago. It would be terrible to be stuck at Case.

What? Case is a great school to attend if the student changes their mind because students do not apply to specific majors at Case (other than nursing).

Chicago is #20 for med schools, Case is #24

As a Case alum, I vote Case, because I don’t think the others are that much different to justify the $$$$

I have told prospective students the same thing for Hopkins, Rice, and other schools during alumni interviews for engineering. In those cases the other school was offering $$$ and Case was not. For 3 similar schools, if there is not a strong draw to one location, I’d follow the money.

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Based on location, I would do Chicago, Cornell then Case. But it sounds like DC is choosing by college rank and you are choosing by money. Do you have the final say, because you are paying, or does DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

Honest question- is UChicago the only one in its cohort ( I.e ivys, T20 ) graduating large number of students in low paying professions? Something is missing

Honest answer. You are still not thinking straight. Have you looked at the majors with the best paid graduates? Engineering is a big one. Chicago does not have an engineering program. Computer Science is also a big earner. It's only in the last few years that Chicago has put it's focus on CS and the results are already visible. However it is still not in the top five in terms of number of students graduating with a degree in CS (as per the college scorecard website, although enrollment is now surging, and it is fast overtaking other majors at Chicago, so the ROI results in the next five years will be very different) even though it is the one with the highest average earnings at Chicago. The only major that Chicago had that had decent post graduation wages was Economics, and about 25% of students got this degree, but the pipeline to banking and consulting were weak till maybe five years ago. Now they are top notch and the results are showing.
Biology, political science, public policy etc are the top majors at Chicago as per the college scorecard. Most of these pay really poorly after graduation.
Yes. Chicago is definitely an outlier when it comes to percentage of students graduating in high paying majors. For example, Harvard and Stanford still graduate 3x students in CS as Chicago with approx the same incoming class size. Clearly that will affect average ROI.
So comparing average ROI is foolish.

If you compare Chicago for CS with other schools in the same Rough geography like Northwestern, UIUC, CWU, or schools in the south like Duke or Rice fir specific majors like for example CS, Chicago holds up very very well and beats most of these schools in average pay. Even when comparing against East and West Coast schools where the cost of living is significantly higher, Chicago holds out pretty well in average pay for specific majors. That still doesn't mean it is the right school for everybody, but unless ROI takes into account major and geography, it's a useless metric. Decisions should be made on other factors

Safety. It's horrible when you consider the number of deaths.

Fair enough. But if you live in a lilly white suburb, support the Marxist BLM, thought of defunding the police and think more about criminal rights than victim rights and insist on voting in far left big city mayors, then you don't have the right to complain about Chicago crime. The school is going the best with there cards it's been dealt with and I for one and grateful for the UCPD, unlike the loony "Care not cops" psychos that keep attacking the administration for trying to keep students safe

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100 percent

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

UChicago and Swarthmore are notorious for gaming the system. I don't know about Chicago but Swarthmore keeps it's acceptance rate high by being one of the best gatekeepers to the med schools by refusing to write recommendations for weak students. They screen their own with an eye towards likely acceptances. This is how some schools can claim a high rate of success.

+1. It’s comparing apples to oranges

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Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

Jesus. Are you for real? Think Critically. Average ROI by school depends on what percentage of the students graduate with high paying majors. If a college graduates 90% of it's students with a low paying major, or they with in a low COA city or the accuracy of capturing the salary data is flawed or the students go into low paying industries, you can get a lower ROI, even if the college had a great ROI for a couple of majors with fewer degrees. Average ROI by college is an useless metric. It's like comparing the ROI for an MBA with the ROI for MS in Biology

Honest question- is UChicago the only one in its cohort ( I.e ivys, T20 ) graduating large number of students in low paying professions? Something is missing

Honest answer. You are still not thinking straight. Have you looked at the majors with the best paid graduates? Engineering is a big one. Chicago does not have an engineering program. Computer Science is also a big earner. It's only in the last few years that Chicago has put it's focus on CS and the results are already visible. However it is still not in the top five in terms of number of students graduating with a degree in CS (as per the college scorecard website, although enrollment is now surging, and it is fast overtaking other majors at Chicago, so the ROI results in the next five years will be very different) even though it is the one with the highest average earnings at Chicago. The only major that Chicago had that had decent post graduation wages was Economics, and about 25% of students got this degree, but the pipeline to banking and consulting were weak till maybe five years ago. Now they are top notch and the results are showing.
Biology, political science, public policy etc are the top majors at Chicago as per the college scorecard. Most of these pay really poorly after graduation.
Yes. Chicago is definitely an outlier when it comes to percentage of students graduating in high paying majors. For example, Harvard and Stanford still graduate 3x students in CS as Chicago with approx the same incoming class size. Clearly that will affect average ROI.
So comparing average ROI is foolish.

Full pay for an up and coming school is foolish. No guarantee UChicago can get off its poor ROI ranking.

I am the PP asked the question. I looked up the CDS for UChicago and from the data 68% of the degrees granted are in Social Sciences, Social Services, Visual Arts, Languages etc. I really don't see how to compare it to any other schools with such a high concentration of students pursuing some of the least lucrative majors.

https://bpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/voices.uchicago.edu/dist/8/2077/files/2022/10/UChicago_CDS_2021-22.pdf

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Out of those three, I’d go for Cornell. I have two at HYPSM and neither would even consider applying to UChicago for various reasons (but did consider a few other schools in the Midwest)

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You don’t understand U Chicago if you think it’s all about ROI.
First and foremost, U Chicago is a university that wants to teach undergraduates how to listen, think critically and make and refute an argument, regardless of area of study. They value academic freedom and critical thinking and every student who graduates has gained this; by comparison, the other Ivy Plus have a lot of trouble with professors and DEI teams pushing ideology. U Chicago does not cancel or suppress thought the way we recently saw at Yale, MIT and Stanford. Totally embarrassing for those schools

In terms of the ROI point, apples to apples majors do very well. Chicago is a core recruiting school for IB and McKinsey and BCG, and the Econ majors do as well as the Ivies. A PP said 68% major in social sciences fields or arts... this probably drives the difference in ROI because these tend to lead to low paying careers or grad school. By contrast 70% of Harvard went into consulting or investment banking.