Cornell, Case or UChicago

[Anonymous]

If you really think they are going to med school Case is a no brainer, you eat a great premed school and you save that money for med school,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:U Chicago has two goals- give students the ability to think in the context of a broad liberal arts education for the first two years. Then specialize for the second two years and help students achieve outcomes (professions, higher Ed). They are very explicit and purposeful, and with my DCs there I think it’s the best of both worlds. One of the things the students love is they don’t push memorization of content on you, but ask you to think creatively- so in a recent STEM class the professor told the students not to answer if they already knew the answer- instead he wanted kids who did not know the answer to talk about how they would approach the problem and to hypothesize.
As a side note, my DC is getting asked to interview for internships at top firms even with a GPA lower that 3.7- people know Chicago curves to a B- average.

Check out their ROI to see how well their goals work out in real life. If they are so good, so expensive, why are they so mediocre?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

If so many UChicago students become above-average income MDs, why is their ROI so low? Something's not adding up.

https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/t/low-graduate-roi-compared-to-peer-institutions/2804371

[Anonymous]

No idea- I do think there is tension between wanting to deliver a liberal arts education that is recognized as among the best everywhere, and the need to get a job and get into a profession. I know 99% are placed after college into programs and jobs.
But I agree if the goal or only metric is just to maximize preprofessiinal outcome or ROI, go to Wharton or NYU and grab the $$$

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Anonymous wrote:No idea- I do think there is tension between wanting to deliver a liberal arts education that is recognized as among the best everywhere, and the need to get a job and get into a profession. I know 99% are placed after college into programs and jobs.
But I agree if the goal or only metric is just to maximize preprofessiinal outcome or ROI, go to Wharton or NYU and grab the $$$

Alternatively, if the goal is a mediocre ROI, go to the average state university. OP can do better at Case.

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Anonymous wrote:U Chicago has two goals- give students the ability to think in the context of a broad liberal arts education for the first two years. Then specialize for the second two years and help students achieve outcomes (professions, higher Ed). They are very explicit and purposeful, and with my DCs there I think it’s the best of both worlds. One of the things the students love is they don’t push memorization of content on you, but ask you to think creatively- so in a recent STEM class the professor told the students not to answer if they already knew the answer- instead he wanted kids who did not know the answer to talk about how they would approach the problem and to hypothesize.
As a side note, my DC is getting asked to interview for internships at top firms even with a GPA lower that 3.7- people know Chicago curves to a B- average.

This sounds so cool! How lucky your kid is there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pre-med acceptance rates to medical school

Case - 64% https://case.edu/admission/academics/areas-study/pre-med
Chicago - between 79% and 88% https://admissionsight.com/pre-med-at-uchicago/#:~:text=On%20average%2C%20students%20of%20pre,of%20the%20previous%20few%20years.
Cornell - says they're 20-25% above national average (43%) https://scl.cornell.edu/sites/scl/files/documents/2020-21%20First-Year%20Pre-Med%20Guide-VD.pdf

UChicago and Swarthmore are notorious for gaming the system. I don't know about Chicago but Swarthmore keeps its acceptance rate high by being one of the best gatekeepers to the med schools by refusing to write recommendations for weak students. They screen their own with an eye towards likely acceptances. This is how some schools can claim a high rate of success.

Never heard this and know young docs from both schools well. I guess they were not at the bottom .

[Anonymous]

Chicago is also interesting because they have been very popular among DC area kids. A lot of Big 3 kids have gone there ED2 over the last few years. It has become the top backup for that crowd who didn't get in elsewhere REA or ED1.

You mentioned ranking mattering to your child, so you may want to show them the host of rankings that have Chicago significantly lower than US News (Chicago has been a US News darling and doesn't have great data transparency which you can Google), just so they know it isn't quite as clear that Chicago is the best ranked school of the 3 (Cornell would be in some cases too).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:U Chicago has two goals- give students the ability to think in the context of a broad liberal arts education for the first two years. Then specialize for the second two years and help students achieve outcomes (professions, higher Ed). They are very explicit and purposeful, and with my DCs there I think it’s the best of both worlds. One of the things the students love is they don’t push memorization of content on you, but ask you to think creatively- so in a recent STEM class the professor told the students not to answer if they already knew the answer- instead he wanted kids who did not know the answer to talk about how they would approach the problem and to hypothesize.
As a side note, my DC is getting asked to interview for internships at top firms even with a GPA lower that 3.7- people know Chicago curves to a B- average.

This sounds so cool! How lucky your kid is there.

Thank you- I like the fact that they all engage and theatre majors talk in STEM class! I think his job prospects will just need to be what they will be and I do tell him not to stress too much about GPA- it just takes one job after all.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:U Chicago has two goals- give students the ability to think in the context of a broad liberal arts education for the first two years. Then specialize for the second two years and help students achieve outcomes (professions, higher Ed). They are very explicit and purposeful, and with my DCs there I think it’s the best of both worlds. One of the things the students love is they don’t push memorization of content on you, but ask you to think creatively- so in a recent STEM class the professor told the students not to answer if they already knew the answer- instead he wanted kids who did not know the answer to talk about how they would approach the problem and to hypothesize.
As a side note, my DC is getting asked to interview for internships at top firms even with a GPA lower that 3.7- people know Chicago curves to a B- average.

Check out their ROI to see how well their goals work out in real life. If they are so good, so expensive, why are they so mediocre?

I think “you” are just a bot programmed to post the ROI comment whenever UChicago is mentioned. Very irritating.

[Anonymous]

Chicago isn't any better than Cornell. Not sure why you think Chicago is more prestigious. If planning on Med School, go to the cheapest option. Case is a very good school .. top students from Case are competitive for Med School.

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Anonymous wrote:We understand we are one of the lucky ones that have won the admission lottery so no flame please. DC is interested in STEM and in with significant merit at Case. For the other two we will have to be full pay. There is not much different between Cornell and Case for the programs (bio, medicine) DC is interested in and off course UChicago has the cache. Us parents feel she will not miss anything if she goes to Case and it will give her the flexibility to do a lot more which the other two wont and in the process save a ton of money for the future. DC is leaning UChicago, we think mostly because of the ranking. We can do full pay at the other two but rather not. WWYD?

Is your kid truly a lonely, well-read child prodigy, with an IQ over about 170, who’s starved for a chance to talk to intellectual peers?

If your daughter is in the DMV, for example, and is obviously one of the 10 brightest seniors in the DMV, maybe you should consider stretching to send her to UChicago.

This could be wrong, but my guess would be that UChicago and Cornell might get roughly the same number of math prodigies, but the UChicago might get a lot more humanities and social sciences prodigies. I think that kids who are prodigies in the humanities and never study with intellectual peers end with a permanent handicap. They’ll never have an easy time communicating at the top of their intelligence. They’ll put so much energy into dumbing down their speech that they’ll always lose out to dumber kids who have made an effort to sell themselves.

If your daughter is much stronger in math and science than in other fields, or she’s an ordinary very bright kid, with no problem finding intellectual peers to talk to, she ought to go to Case Western. She’ll save money. She’ll take classes that are almost as good as the classes at the other schools. Because she’ll go in with great merit aid, the school will start out loving her and make it easy for her to get great student jobs and internships.

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Anonymous wrote:You do not want to go to Chicago pre-med. Go to a slightly less rigorous school with easier grading..so med school application looks great. Do consult on this point with med school students.

Her medical school will likely be ruined if going to UChicago. GPA is the king for medical schools.

This is terrible advice given by folks who know nothing about how the Curriculum and major choices have changed at UChicago in the past few years

This was true ten years ago, but the school became sensitive to this issue, primarily brought about by Physics, Chemistry, Math and other majors setting aggressive grading curves for pre-med students. So the College has taken several

1) Introduced a bunch of bu**sh**t core courses that are almost certain A, if you put minimal effort. You may not learn much, but if getting an A is important, you can take these core classes

They have made some courses intentionally ineligible for major credit for Biology, Chemistry, Physics and Math majors. That removes of these students from these classes, which are now pretty much exclusive pre med classes

Introduced speciality majors like neuroscience that mostly only pre med students are interested in

They give huge support and very strong recommendation letters for students applying to medical school and support then very well

All this means that grade deflation for pre med students is fantasy at Chicago currently.

Only those who don't know the ins and out of the curriculum would make this charge based on outdated information

UChicago has made a very considered decision to become an easy school for pre-professional students even going so far as diluting grading and curricular standards for these students who care a lot about their GPA

[Anonymous]

CWRU is a great pre-med school. Tons of opportunities and strong reputation in healthcare world. If you are getting scholarship there, take it and use the saved money for med school.