Employee with suicidal ideations

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Those two letters were essentially the same. And certainly there was little to no difference legally. Signed a lawyer with fancy degrees.

You don’t find: “Please keep me in the loop about your next steps” problematic? I’m a different lawyer with fancy degrees and would not advise this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Hahahahahaha! Loser.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Those two letters were essentially the same. And certainly there was little to no difference legally. Signed a lawyer with fancy degrees.

You don’t find: “Please keep me in the loop about your next steps” problematic? I’m a different lawyer with fancy degrees and would not advise this.

Context makes clear that line is referring to usage of leave, etc. That's fine.

[Anonymous]

Contact HR. I was the L&E attorney supporting HR and the first thing HR should do is loop lawyers in. They’ll advise you down to exactly how to respond and potentially the employee will never know lawyers or HR was involved.

Laypeople try to be nice, and that totally effs the company. The least of any of your problems are actually helping the employee.

[Anonymous]

1) Call 988 for advice.

2) Discuss with your firm’s lawyer (to see if you now have a duty to take action).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Those two letters were essentially the same. And certainly there was little to no difference legally. Signed a lawyer with fancy degrees.

You don’t find: “Please keep me in the loop about your next steps” problematic? I’m a different lawyer with fancy degrees and would not advise this.

+1

Surprised at the reaction of another who claims to be a lawyer with fancy degrees. Just shows that fancy degrees do not mean that one has commonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Those two letters were essentially the same. And certainly there was little to no difference legally. Signed a lawyer with fancy degrees.

Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that you are an attorney--with or without fancy degrees--if you cannot understand the difference between the two letters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Those two letters were essentially the same. And certainly there was little to no difference legally. Signed a lawyer with fancy degrees.

You don’t find: “Please keep me in the loop about your next steps” problematic? I’m a different lawyer with fancy degrees and would not advise this.

Context makes clear that line is referring to usage of leave, etc. That's fine.

Would like to hear how that works out for you in court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Those two letters were essentially the same. And certainly there was little to no difference legally. Signed a lawyer with fancy degrees.

You don’t find: “Please keep me in the loop about your next steps” problematic? I’m a different lawyer with fancy degrees and would not advise this.

Context makes clear that line is referring to usage of leave, etc. That's fine.

Would like to hear how that works out for you in court.

Please identify what federal statutes you believe are violated, please identify how each element is met, and please identify the damages you believe would be awarded. You all want to talk a big game, so out your damn money where your mouth is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Those two letters were essentially the same. And certainly there was little to no difference legally. Signed a lawyer with fancy degrees.

Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that you are an attorney--with or without fancy degrees--if you cannot understand the difference between the two letters.

I live in the real world and there is minimal litigation risk difference between the two letters. You think there's a difference, then identify the statutes you believe would give rise to liability and explain how every element is met.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Those two letters were essentially the same. And certainly there was little to no difference legally. Signed a lawyer with fancy degrees.

You don’t find: “Please keep me in the loop about your next steps” problematic? I’m a different lawyer with fancy degrees and would not advise this.

Context makes clear that line is referring to usage of leave, etc. That's fine.

Would like to hear how that works out for you in court.

Please identify what federal statutes you believe are violated, please identify how each element is met, and please identify the damages you believe would be awarded. You all want to talk a big game, so out your damn money where your mouth is.

Uh, nobody is claiming one line in a letter amounts to a definitive statutory violation with damages. But, it’s a misstep and opens the employer up to liability. More so if there are other missteps or worse transgressions as the situation progresses. Employment attorneys are in the business of ensuring compliance, counseling their clients proactively, and saving a company from well-meaning employees who don’t fully understand the repercussions of their actions and statements. It’s all about minimizing liability for the business.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dear Employee-
We met this week where you shared some health issues you were dealing with. I following up with a recap of our conversation and have included links to information and resources.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc, you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) which helps employees deal with personal issues that might adversely impact their work performance, health and/or well-being. Here is the info…

If there is a need for accommodations in the workplace, you can reach out to HR Dept as they may be able to provide supports on reasonable accommodations in the workplace if that was needed to address your health concerns.

You may also want to reach out to HR Dept to discuss your leave options. Here is the link to information regarding your disability benefits here at Widget, Inc: If you have any questions, you may contact the Benefits & Leave Office at 555-5555.

You shared you were in the process of working with health care providers to support your personal health concerns.

Please keep me in the loop about your next steps and supports you might need. I do hope you feel better.

Regards,
Molly
Molly Manager

If, as a manager, you feel compelled to send a letter, I would edit the above to:

Dear Employee:

Earlier this week you shared some concerns with me. This letter is a follow-up to our conversation to share links to information and to resources which you may find helpful.

As an employee of Widgets, Inc., you are eligible to seek the services of the Employee Assistance Program (EAP) regarding personal issues that may affect your work performance or well being. Here is the contact information:

If you need special accommodations in the workplace, please reach out to HR.

HR can also detail any leave options as well as share information about available benefits. Feel free to contact the Benefits & Leave Options office at 555-5555.

I hope that you find this information helpful.

Sincerely,

Mary Manager

So basically, you’d send the same letter. Got it.

I am the poster who edited your letter.

Just realized that you may be a teenage manager at a fast-food restaurant or at a combo gas station convenience store.

If that was your take on my edited version, I suspect that you may just have a high school degree & are not college educated. If accurate, then you need to be much more careful with respect to written communications.

Those two letters were essentially the same. And certainly there was little to no difference legally. Signed a lawyer with fancy degrees.

Sorry, but I find it hard to believe that you are an attorney--with or without fancy degrees--if you cannot understand the difference between the two letters.

I live in the real world and there is minimal litigation risk difference between the two letters. You think there's a difference, then identify the statutes you believe would give rise to liability and explain how every element is met.

I doubt that you are an attorney and I strongly suspect that you do not live in the world regarding litigation and threatened litigation with respect to employment matters. The more that you post, the clearer this becomes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For people saying not to contact HR, why?
(help me understand)

This is a private health issue matter. None of my business. The employee should see a doctor if they want to. The employer isn’t their parent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Contact your HR.

Absolutely do not do this.

This is bad advice unless your HR department is terrible. I work in HR and recently was made a aware of an employee with suicidal ideations. This employee lives outside of the US and I was able to work with our EAP provider to identify providers in the employee's country of residence and contract for their services. We have the ability to contact and influence providers.

[Anonymous]

Do NOT contact HR.

I saw this play out once....HR got nervous that the employee dealing with suicidal ideation was a danger to themselves and the company....and immediately cut off their access to company email/assets and put them on leave. The employee wasn't involved in this decision. Imagine dealing with suicidal ideation and THEN ON TOP OF THAT having to deal with being cut out of work.

I would make sure the employee knows about EAP and the suicide lifeline.