Union Market DC

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Anonymous wrote:I will say something unpopular but very honest. We lived in one of these neighborhoods briefly, and had not realized until we moved back to a very central WTOP location just how much low grade stress came with living in these neighborhoods. You are expected to embrace “city living” including to be aware and street smart (and for anyone who says that’s not true just look up the recent happenings in these neighborhoods). It’s not even the overt drug trade or a dodgy guy in the alley or a shooting or a knifing or rats or mosquitos or bulletproof glass at the local bodega or trash by the metro, it’s just a low grade siege mentality where you’re expected to have your “wits about you”. The relative feeling of equally “city living” in a place where you don’t have to look over your shoulder is just incomparable and hard to describe until you’ve felt it. I didn’t realize we and the kids were carrying this low grade subconscious stress until we moved and its absence was a huge relief. I would not live like that again.


NP - you are cute, PP. You really think you can let your guard down WOTP? Enjoy your naïveté and leave your doors unlocked and your trash cans open.

Yeah I'm the poster who lives in Cleveland Park with the bf in NOMA and I don't think this is correct. My bf and I have a running joke that he has more sketchy characters and I have more rats in our neighborhoods. However there is definitely crime WOTP these days. In my neighborhood there is a homeless man who has several no trespass orders issued from various apartment and condo buildings. He continues to break into these buildings at night and attempt to access individual apartments.

I would say living in any neighborhood involves an awareness of surroundings and common sense. While I disagree with the way the current mayoral admin. handles crime I do think "low grade siege mentality" is a bit dramatic.


Wait till you have children. It’s just better to live in a better place.
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Hahaha
Let’s compare the nicest house at Union Market with the Connecticut Ave social housing and draw a conclusion that it’s all the same. No it’s not.
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Let’s compare the nicest house at Union Market with the Connecticut Ave social housing and draw a conclusion that it’s all the same. No it’s not.

I doubt she lives in public housing if she's a single woman living in Cleveland Park. Good grief. So much weird hostility in this thread, and I'm not sure why you're redirecting it at her when she said Union Market is nice.
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NP here who also lives between H and Florida with kids. I love walking to Union Market on a nice weekend evening to grab dinner. And the huge green field and courts across the street saved us during the pandemic when all of the playground gates were chained. That being said, I do think some of the pp’s are understating the crime issue. I frequently see alerts and notifications of gunshots/muggings/carjackings/car window smashing in the nearby vicinity of Union Market. I would not live there with children if I had an alternative.
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If you want actual city feel with kids, this is the best place in the city in my opinion. If you are scared during the day there, then obviously this thread is not for you.
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Anonymous wrote:Check the crime stats. I would for my $ go West of the 16th St, and be careful even there. Look up Alan Henney on Twitter.

I would avoid Brookland incl b/c the traffic but honestly the crime and the noise have been bad in the areas you mention.


How can you live like this?


Living great and not even WOTP. Why would I purposefully put myself in a place where I’d be at a risk of violence, crime, traffic jams, and no schools?
It seems irrational to ignore these things?


you think there are no schools in/near Union Market?


Pray tell. Which ones and up to what grade? And how good?


Two Rivers 4th St is basically in Union Market. Others close by that I'd consider sending a kid to include JO Wilson, Stuart Hobson, Capitol Hill Montessori, Ludlow Taylor, Mundo Verde P Street, School Within School, Langley, and Friendship Armstrong. Inspired Teaching isn't that much further away. How good? Fewer kids on grade level than west of the park, better than DCPS on average, fine for most kids of DCUM posters. If you think everyone should live IB for Deal that's cool, but it's not very practical.


Not too far from Basis for middle and high school if that fits your family.
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Anonymous wrote:Check the crime stats. I would for my $ go West of the 16th St, and be careful even there. Look up Alan Henney on Twitter.

I would avoid Brookland incl b/c the traffic but honestly the crime and the noise have been bad in the areas you mention.


How can you live like this?


Living great and not even WOTP. Why would I purposefully put myself in a place where I’d be at a risk of violence, crime, traffic jams, and no schools?
It seems irrational to ignore these things?


you think there are no schools in/near Union Market?


Pray tell. Which ones and up to what grade? And how good?


Two Rivers 4th St is basically in Union Market. Others close by that I'd consider sending a kid to include JO Wilson, Stuart Hobson, Capitol Hill Montessori, Ludlow Taylor, Mundo Verde P Street, School Within School, Langley, and Friendship Armstrong. Inspired Teaching isn't that much further away. How good? Fewer kids on grade level than west of the park, better than DCPS on average, fine for most kids of DCUM posters. If you think everyone should live IB for Deal that's cool, but it's not very practical.


K-5 lots of choice everywhere but what then?
Anyway? Not for me.


Stuart Hobson, or lottery for 12 of BASIS, Inspired Teaching, CHML, Latin (2 campuses), Two Rivers, Cap City, Adams (if bilingual or attended MV), Washington Global, Haynes, SWW @ FS, DCI (3 tracks) Sojourner Truth, Hardy Some are easier commutes than others, and some kids will do better in different places, but it's not like Deal serves everyone well either. It's also possible to move or apply to private schools for middle.
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Hell to the No. good luck
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Anonymous wrote:I can't figure out if the really hostile posts in this thread are from the OP, the poster with the s/o who lives near Union Market, or just some random person who doesn't think anyone (?) should live in a neighborhood they've heard of but never spent time in.

I think there’s two of us with a s/o near Union Market and maybe you’re referring to the other one but that wasn’t my intention. I think it’s a nice neighborhood if a little too up and coming for my liking (I live in Cleveland Park so not exactly cool or trendy) but I spend a lot of time in NOMA because of my bf and I think it’s fine. I just wouldn’t live there if I had children is all I meant. If you’re young and like a kind of Brooklyn vibe I think it’s a great choice.


Yep, two of us, I’m the other, who was making a little fun of characterizing it as “edgy” - because I tend to think DC (and especially DCUM) standards for that are pretty low. The minor street crime there doesn’t seem any worse to me than anywhere else in the District other than maybe wypipo world of AU Park. It’s not where I would choose to live but I enjoy visiting my s/o there and it has a lot to offer, if you like food halls and drinks carts and avocado toast, which I do.

The only hostility came from someone who told me my opinion doesn’t matter.

What of these things are good for young kids and can overweight the obviously negative factors like the fact that there are very few other young families in the neighborhood (for obvious reasons).
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KIPP sounds great and has what appears to be the nicest campus of the local schools right near Union Market!

I honestly didn't think they'd really make NoMa happen rebranding wise but it worked pretty well over time. The H revitalization has been mixed. I don't know your politics but the area near Union Market was the site of a lot of urban displacement and total redevelopment in the last 10 or so years. Many people have no problem with that. Family wise, I get the sense it is mostly people who would have preferred to be on Cap Hill but found H/UM more affordable (a few joke about Hill North like there is Hill East). You do get more a mix of people there than in other total redevelopment areas like the Wharf or Navy Yard since there are a lot more row houses and fewer massive new apartment/condo buildings.
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Anonymous wrote:KIPP sounds great and has what appears to be the nicest campus of the local schools right near Union Market!

I honestly didn't think they'd really make NoMa happen rebranding wise but it worked pretty well over time. The H revitalization has been mixed. I don't know your politics but the area near Union Market was the site of a lot of urban displacement and total redevelopment in the last 10 or so years. Many people have no problem with that. Family wise, I get the sense it is mostly people who would have preferred to be on Cap Hill but found H/UM more affordable (a few joke about Hill North like there is Hill East). You do get more a mix of people there than in other total redevelopment areas like the Wharf or Navy Yard since there are a lot more row houses and fewer massive new apartment/condo buildings.

FWIW, KIPP DC has basically zero white students so I am skeptical that the people promoting KIPP here have any actual knowledge about the school. I am sure that it is good. But for whatever reason, white people are choosing not to send their kids there.

TOTAL 2021-22 ENROLLMENT 868 STUDENT DEMOGRAPHICS
98.3% Black/African-American
<1% Asian
1.7% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
<1% Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander
<1% White non-Hispanic
<1% Multiracial
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Anonymous wrote:KIPP sounds great and has what appears to be the nicest campus of the local schools right near Union Market!

I honestly didn't think they'd really make NoMa happen rebranding wise but it worked pretty well over time. The H revitalization has been mixed. I don't know your politics but the area near Union Market was the site of a lot of urban displacement and total redevelopment in the last 10 or so years. Many people have no problem with that. Family wise, I get the sense it is mostly people who would have preferred to be on Cap Hill but found H/UM more affordable (a few joke about Hill North like there is Hill East). You do get more a mix of people there than in other total redevelopment areas like the Wharf or Navy Yard since there are a lot more row houses and fewer massive new apartment/condo buildings.

FWIW, KIPP DC has basically zero white students so I am skeptical that the people promoting KIPP here have any actual knowledge about the school. I am sure that it is good. But for whatever reason, white people are choosing not to send their kids there.

TOTAL 2021-22 ENROLLMENT 868 STUDENT DEMOGRAPHICS
98.3% Black/African-American
<1% Asian
1.7% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
<1% Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander
<1% White non-Hispanic
<1% Multiracial


That’s racist.
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Anonymous wrote:Check the crime stats. I would for my $ go West of the 16th St, and be careful even there. Look up Alan Henney on Twitter.

I would avoid Brookland incl b/c the traffic but honestly the crime and the noise have been bad in the areas you mention.


How can you live like this?


Living great and not even WOTP. Why would I purposefully put myself in a place where I’d be at a risk of violence, crime, traffic jams, and no schools?
It seems irrational to ignore these things?


you think there are no schools in/near Union Market?


Pray tell. Which ones and up to what grade? And how good?


Two Rivers 4th St is basically in Union Market. Others close by that I'd consider sending a kid to include JO Wilson, Stuart Hobson, Capitol Hill Montessori, Ludlow Taylor, Mundo Verde P Street, School Within School, Langley, and Friendship Armstrong. Inspired Teaching isn't that much further away. How good? Fewer kids on grade level than west of the park, better than DCPS on average, fine for most kids of DCUM posters. If you think everyone should live IB for Deal that's cool, but it's not very practical.


K-5 lots of choice everywhere but what then?
Anyway? Not for me.


Stuart Hobson is a MS. Inspired Teaching goes to 8th, as does Two Rivers (though I personally would not do Two Rivers for middle). BASIS and Latin are both popular among parents in this neighborhood, and BASIS is a pretty easy commute. The new Latin campus isn't far as well, and there are metro/bus options for both which make sense for a MS/HS student. HS kids can also apply to Walls and Banneker.

The truth is that outside of feeding into Deal or Hardy, this is among the best possible situations for MS/HS in the city. Sadly! It's not a great situation. But that's true for 90% of the city, and at least this neighborhood has good options for elementary that include DCPS and charters, a decent DCPS MS and proximity to multiple good charter MS. And then, like most of the city, they will need to either hope they get a lottery spot at one of the few acceptable charter high schools, or get into one of the applications high schools, or move. This is reality for almost everyone in DC, including many very family friendly neighborhoods like Brookland, Takoma, Capitol Hill, etc.
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Anonymous wrote:Not family friendly. It's well known as a neighborhood among the younger set where you move if you're single and want to "clap some cheeks" after a night out having cocktails / wine / whatever.


What does that mean?


It’s like sex but you face away from each other and bump butts. It’s a Covid thing.


Not what I was expecting to learn on this board!

Union Market/NOMA could be fun with kids until the school issues arise.


School issues in NOMA/Union Market are not much different than a lot of neighborhoods along H Street and on Capitol Hill. Not great IB options but quite a few OOB options nearby plus a lot of charters within short commutes. A nice thing about Union Market area is that you are walking distance to Two Rivers, JO Wilson, Ludlow Taylor, and CHML, but just a short drive to Langley, ITDS, and a lot of the Brookland charters. In some ways Union Market is better situated for schools than much of CH because of access to charters in Brookland/Edgwood.


Walking distance to a school doesn't mean your kid gets in...
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Anonymous wrote:I can't figure out if the really hostile posts in this thread are from the OP, the poster with the s/o who lives near Union Market, or just some random person who doesn't think anyone (?) should live in a neighborhood they've heard of but never spent time in.

I think there’s two of us with a s/o near Union Market and maybe you’re referring to the other one but that wasn’t my intention. I think it’s a nice neighborhood if a little too up and coming for my liking (I live in Cleveland Park so not exactly cool or trendy) but I spend a lot of time in NOMA because of my bf and I think it’s fine. I just wouldn’t live there if I had children is all I meant. If you’re young and like a kind of Brooklyn vibe I think it’s a great choice.


Yep, two of us, I’m the other, who was making a little fun of characterizing it as “edgy” - because I tend to think DC (and especially DCUM) standards for that are pretty low. The minor street crime there doesn’t seem any worse to me than anywhere else in the District other than maybe wypipo world of AU Park. It’s not where I would choose to live but I enjoy visiting my s/o there and it has a lot to offer, if you like food halls and drinks carts and avocado toast, which I do.

The only hostility came from someone who told me my opinion doesn’t matter.

What of these things are good for young kids and can overweight the obviously negative factors like the fact that there are very few other young families in the neighborhood (for obvious reasons).


There are many young families in the neighborhood. Like Union Market on the weekends is completely full of young families, and the neighborhood just south of the market is full of young families.

I do think that Union Market area, specifically, needs a decent playground and I hope that is ultimately in the plans. It's dumb to have that much gathering space for people and not put in a small playground/park area. Right now there are several playgrounds just south of Florida (JO Wilson, Hayes Park, Swampoodle) plus a really nice playground that is a little walk over to the other side of the train tracks (Tanner Park). But as they continue to develop the old market, it would just make a ton of sense to put in a nice new playground there, sort of like the one down by Eastern Market. It's actually great not only for families visiting the area, but benefits the childless folks too because it proved a place for kids to run around and blow off steam that isn't the middle of the market.
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