Insight into Bells Mill and Cold Spring

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's because of Libs of TikTok picking up this tweet:

Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

Here's the thing. Hate is taught at home. You could read young kids this book and they would ask a few questions and be like cool and move on. If your belief is that people can't be treated with respect and kindness even if they are different from you, then go find that school that teaches only hated beliefs like that. Public school is for EVERYONE. Even gasp - transgender students. There are many in public schools right now that you don't even realize are trans, especially in elementary school.

You are conflating things.

There is a debate in the public sphere right now on how soon is it acceptable for someone to realize they are transgender and what age should we allow those people to make a permanent decision that results in irreversible, medical interventions that can't be walked back.

Some people feel like there is no minimum age on making the decision to transition and that kids as young as 5 should be able to declare themselves a gender other than the one they were born as. Other people think that such a permanent, life-altering decision is best left when people are closer to adulthood and capable of understanding the long-term consequences of these decisions and hopefully have a better sense of who they are.

There are plenty of doctors, psychologists and child development experts on both sides of the argument. This book takes one side of that argument and is being pushed to the children of parents' who might be on the other side.

That's the problem and being on either side of the debate does not mean you "hate" trans people.

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Having this discussion in high school is vastly different than having it in elementary school.

I am not even sure how a 5 year child start thinking about gender change. 5 year old kid has to hear from someone to even think about it. It's pretty much parents who put that idea in head. Clearly those parents think they are doing great thing for their child and that's why they do it. Other parents think it's harmful to start exploring gender change when you are 5 years old.

I am just surprised that MCPS gave an option to teachers to read such books. They have lost their mind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

It is absolutely not true that 5 year olds don't notice if a girl is wearing a boy's clothes or vice versa. They absolutely do and because they lack a filter at that age, they will state so loudly and ask questions.

Tons of 5 year old girls put boys clothes and most kids won't even give a thought. Its not rare at all. Other way around it's more noticeable because that's rare.

It depends on the clothes. If a girl wears sweat pants and a t-shirt, no because that is pretty unisex at this point. But if a girl walks in wearing a tuxedo or a suit, kids will notice and probably remark.

Not the PP.

There are plenty of 5-6 years old girls who behave in a manner usually considered boyish and that include what they wear. My wife was like that till she was 10-12 years old. It may have been horrible outcome if anyone had suggested gender change discussion to her when she was 5-6 years old and if she had taken that decision at that age. It would have been a life altering decision when she did not have capacity to think about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

It is absolutely not true that 5 year olds don't notice if a girl is wearing a boy's clothes or vice versa. They absolutely do and because they lack a filter at that age, they will state so loudly and ask questions.

Tons of 5 year old girls put boys clothes and most kids won't even give a thought. Its not rare at all. Other way around it's more noticeable because that's rare.

It depends on the clothes. If a girl wears sweat pants and a t-shirt, no because that is pretty unisex at this point. But if a girl walks in wearing a tuxedo or a suit, kids will notice and probably remark.

Not the PP.

There are plenty of 5-6 years old girls who behave in a manner usually considered boyish and that include what they wear. My wife was like that till she was 10-12 years old. It may have been horrible outcome if anyone had suggested gender change discussion to her when she was 5-6 years old and if she had taken that decision at that age. It would have been a life altering decision when she did not have capacity to think about it.

Some people sure are afraid of some books.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

It is absolutely not true that 5 year olds don't notice if a girl is wearing a boy's clothes or vice versa. They absolutely do and because they lack a filter at that age, they will state so loudly and ask questions.

Tons of 5 year old girls put boys clothes and most kids won't even give a thought. Its not rare at all. Other way around it's more noticeable because that's rare.

It depends on the clothes. If a girl wears sweat pants and a t-shirt, no because that is pretty unisex at this point. But if a girl walks in wearing a tuxedo or a suit, kids will notice and probably remark.

Not the PP.

There are plenty of 5-6 years old girls who behave in a manner usually considered boyish and that include what they wear. My wife was like that till she was 10-12 years old. It may have been horrible outcome if anyone had suggested gender change discussion to her when she was 5-6 years old and if she had taken that decision at that age. It would have been a life altering decision when she did not have capacity to think about it.

Some people sure are afraid of some books.

People don't want religious books in Elementary school as mandatory reading.

People don't want gender change books in elementary schools as mandatory reading.


I am surely afraid of some books when it comes to well being of my 5 years old kid.

[Anonymous]

Why was this put on the school’s Twitter?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why was this put on the school’s Twitter?

To be clear, no problem with the book at all. But why post this on Twitter?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why was this put on the school’s Twitter?

To be clear, no problem with the book at all. But why post this on Twitter?

To attract far right-posters from out of state?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

It is absolutely not true that 5 year olds don't notice if a girl is wearing a boy's clothes or vice versa. They absolutely do and because they lack a filter at that age, they will state so loudly and ask questions.

Tons of 5 year old girls put boys clothes and most kids won't even give a thought. Its not rare at all. Other way around it's more noticeable because that's rare.

It depends on the clothes. If a girl wears sweat pants and a t-shirt, no because that is pretty unisex at this point. But if a girl walks in wearing a tuxedo or a suit, kids will notice and probably remark.

Not the PP.

There are plenty of 5-6 years old girls who behave in a manner usually considered boyish and that include what they wear. My wife was like that till she was 10-12 years old. It may have been horrible outcome if anyone had suggested gender change discussion to her when she was 5-6 years old and if she had taken that decision at that age. It would have been a life altering decision when she did not have capacity to think about it.

Some people sure are afraid of some books.

People don't want religious books in Elementary school as mandatory reading.

People don't want gender change books in elementary schools as mandatory reading.


I am surely afraid of some books when it comes to well being of my 5 years old kid.

It's important to include books that support tolerance and inclusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was this put on the school’s Twitter?

To be clear, no problem with the book at all. But why post this on Twitter?

https://moco360.media/2023/02/08/anti-trans-threats-prompt-bells-mill-es-to-take-pta-meeting-online-launch-investigation/

Anti-trans threats prompt Bells Mill ES to take PTA meeting online, launch investigation
LibsofTikTok posted about teacher reading an LGBTQ-inclusive book in class
by Em Espey February 8, 2023 4:37 pmUpdated February 9, 2023 12:30 pm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's because of Libs of TikTok picking up this tweet:

Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

We are having similar conversations at our elementary school where I work. Most teachers feel that parents should have more of a say and the conversation should happen more at home. There’s a difference between acceptance of students who are transgender and being the first line in instruction of it. These books are mandatory in the county and parents have no opt out unlike puberty instruction which parents can opt out if. Make it make sense.

This. I didn’t even bother opening this thread at first, because we live in a way more lower-income neighborhood and I figured this thread would have no relevance to me.

But our recent PTA meeting just discussed these books.

Not necessary to force these books on elementary school aged kids. Leave them in the library for kids who want to read them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's because of Libs of TikTok picking up this tweet:

Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

We are having similar conversations at our elementary school where I work. Most teachers feel that parents should have more of a say and the conversation should happen more at home. There’s a difference between acceptance of students who are transgender and being the first line in instruction of it. These books are mandatory in the county and parents have no opt out unlike puberty instruction which parents can opt out if. Make it make sense.

This. I didn’t even bother opening this thread at first, because we live in a way more lower-income neighborhood and I figured this thread would have no relevance to me.

But our recent PTA meeting just discussed these books.

Not necessary to force these books on elementary school aged kids. Leave them in the library for kids who want to read them.

Not necessary to force any books on elementary school aged kids, surely? Why have any books? Why have a school library? Why even have school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's because of Libs of TikTok picking up this tweet:

Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

We are having similar conversations at our elementary school where I work. Most teachers feel that parents should have more of a say and the conversation should happen more at home. There’s a difference between acceptance of students who are transgender and being the first line in instruction of it. These books are mandatory in the county and parents have no opt out unlike puberty instruction which parents can opt out if. Make it make sense.

This. I didn’t even bother opening this thread at first, because we live in a way more lower-income neighborhood and I figured this thread would have no relevance to me.

But our recent PTA meeting just discussed these books.

Not necessary to force these books on elementary school aged kids. Leave them in the library for kids who want to read them.

Not necessary to force any books on elementary school aged kids, surely? Why have any books? Why have a school library? Why even have school?

What do you mean?

Are you comfortable having books that push certain religious values in our schools? I’m not.

I see this as the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's because of Libs of TikTok picking up this tweet:

Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

Libs of TikTok is a far-right, anti-LGBT Twitter account owned by Chaya Raichik, a former real estate agent. ... It reposts content created by left-wing and LGBT ...
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Meet the woman behind Libs of TikTok, secretly fueling the right's outrage machine (English). author · Taylor Lorenz · language of work or name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

It is absolutely not true that 5 year olds don't notice if a girl is wearing a boy's clothes or vice versa. They absolutely do and because they lack a filter at that age, they will state so loudly and ask questions.

Tons of 5 year old girls put boys clothes and most kids won't even give a thought. Its not rare at all. Other way around it's more noticeable because that's rare.

It depends on the clothes. If a girl wears sweat pants and a t-shirt, no because that is pretty unisex at this point. But if a girl walks in wearing a tuxedo or a suit, kids will notice and probably remark.

Not the PP.

There are plenty of 5-6 years old girls who behave in a manner usually considered boyish and that include what they wear. My wife was like that till she was 10-12 years old. It may have been horrible outcome if anyone had suggested gender change discussion to her when she was 5-6 years old and if she had taken that decision at that age. It would have been a life altering decision when she did not have capacity to think about it.

Some people sure are afraid of some books.

People don't want religious books in Elementary school as mandatory reading.

People don't want gender change books in elementary schools as mandatory reading.


I am surely afraid of some books when it comes to well being of my 5 years old kid.

It's important to include books that support tolerance and inclusion.

So you would support books about being a republican being read at circle time>

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's because of Libs of TikTok picking up this tweet:

Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

We are having similar conversations at our elementary school where I work. Most teachers feel that parents should have more of a say and the conversation should happen more at home. There’s a difference between acceptance of students who are transgender and being the first line in instruction of it. These books are mandatory in the county and parents have no opt out unlike puberty instruction which parents can opt out if. Make it make sense.

This. I didn’t even bother opening this thread at first, because we live in a way more lower-income neighborhood and I figured this thread would have no relevance to me.

But our recent PTA meeting just discussed these books.

Not necessary to force these books on elementary school aged kids. Leave them in the library for kids who want to read them.

Not necessary to force any books on elementary school aged kids, surely? Why have any books? Why have a school library? Why even have school?

What do you mean?

Are you comfortable having books that push certain religious values in our schools? I’m not.

I see this as the same.

This book is about the experience of a child who is transgender. Do you think that Frog and Toad is a book that pushes being an amphibian?