Insight into Bells Mill and Cold Spring

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

I have found LGBT community to be inconsiderate to others when it comes to constant push to educate young elementary kids about gender change.

They don't care about negative impact on other kids. Even parents, who are supportive of LGBT, are going to get fed up with this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

Wow, that's a lot of assumptions there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

Wow, that's a lot of assumptions there.

What are those?

[Anonymous]

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Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

So, only kids who might be LGBTQ would benefit from this book?

Are there any other topics that parents might have differing and varying opinions on that you think kids shouldn't learn about at school unless they actively seek those topics out?

Sexuality needs to be taught in elementary?

Whether it does, or whether it doesn't, this book is not about sexuality.

What's the Story?

Penelope knows who he is -- a ninja, a karate student, and a boy -- but the people in his life see him as a girl, so he acts out to get their attention. A heart-to-heart with his mom, who immediately affirms his gender identity, means Penelope can start living as a boy in all parts of his life. They make a plan to tell the whole family, and the next school day, he dresses up in his favorite jeans, button down shirt and tie, and goes to school, where he tells classmates and his principal that yes, he is a boy. His family and wider community accept and support him, so Penelope pours his energy into preparing for a big goal: winning gold at his first karate competition. This book is based on the author's son, who now goes by Penel.

Yah, I recall an LGBT parent made one kid go from girl to boy in in K, yes in K. As if anyone really cares if you are boy or girl and they need to accept or not accept when kids are 5-6 years old. Kid won't even get an idea like this, all thanks to their parent.

This is so wrong - Parents don't "make" their kids do this. I have a relative who is LGBTQ+ and was long before those initials were made popular. They say they knew at age 6. People are who they are, you can't make them one thing or another

I don't think any LGBT parent intentionally want their kids to do gender change. Problem is constantly talking about something which is non-issue at that age. Who cares how 5-6 years old kid want to dress in K? No one.

Now first give idea of changing gender to a kid who is 5-6 years old then expect other kids to get bombarded by this idea. No wonder parents will push back. When kids are old enough to think for themselves, they can pick any gender they want, but constant push to talk about gender in early elementary is simply not acceptable. It simply puts LGBT community in poor light who don't care about others.

Tolerance and acceptance is not an issue here in young elementary. LGBT parent may think that it's good idea to talk about gender change to their 5-6 years old kid, but others don't think it's a good idea to talk about when kids are so young. If LGBT parent wants to talk then home is the place to do it. [/quote

My kid is only 5 at bells mill and understands its not a "gender change," its gender affirmation, so he calls it what is inside matches the outside. He doesn't feel like gender is being pushed. He knows he's a boy. A 5 yo can understand that but you can't?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

So, only kids who might be LGBTQ would benefit from this book?

Are there any other topics that parents might have differing and varying opinions on that you think kids shouldn't learn about at school unless they actively seek those topics out?

Sexuality needs to be taught in elementary?

Whether it does, or whether it doesn't, this book is not about sexuality.

What's the Story?

Penelope knows who he is -- a ninja, a karate student, and a boy -- but the people in his life see him as a girl, so he acts out to get their attention. A heart-to-heart with his mom, who immediately affirms his gender identity, means Penelope can start living as a boy in all parts of his life. They make a plan to tell the whole family, and the next school day, he dresses up in his favorite jeans, button down shirt and tie, and goes to school, where he tells classmates and his principal that yes, he is a boy. His family and wider community accept and support him, so Penelope pours his energy into preparing for a big goal: winning gold at his first karate competition. This book is based on the author's son, who now goes by Penel.

Yah, I recall an LGBT parent made one kid go from girl to boy in in K, yes in K. As if anyone really cares if you are boy or girl and they need to accept or not accept when kids are 5-6 years old. Kid won't even get an idea like this, all thanks to their parent.

This is so wrong - Parents don't "make" their kids do this. I have a relative who is LGBTQ+ and was long before those initials were made popular. They say they knew at age 6. People are who they are, you can't make them one thing or another

I don't think any LGBT parent intentionally want their kids to do gender change. Problem is constantly talking about something which is non-issue at that age. Who cares how 5-6 years old kid want to dress in K? No one.

Now first give idea of changing gender to a kid who is 5-6 years old then expect other kids to get bombarded by this idea. No wonder parents will push back. When kids are old enough to think for themselves, they can pick any gender they want, but constant push to talk about gender in early elementary is simply not acceptable. It simply puts LGBT community in poor light who don't care about others.

Tolerance and acceptance is not an issue here in young elementary. LGBT parent may think that it's good idea to talk about gender change to their 5-6 years old kid, but others don't think it's a good idea to talk about when kids are so young. If LGBT parent wants to talk then home is the place to do it. [/quote

My kid is only 5 at bells mill and understands its not a "gender change," its gender affirmation, so he calls it what is inside matches the outside. He doesn't feel like gender is being pushed. He knows he's a boy. A 5 yo can understand that but you can't?

How did your 5 years old kid get into discussion of affirming inside/outside? I meant, did you start talking about it at home, because 5 year old kids are not even aware of it.

Question is - Are you putting this idea in his/her head? Or School is putting this idea in his/her head when kids is only 5 years old.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

It is absolutely not true that 5 year olds don't notice if a girl is wearing a boy's clothes or vice versa. They absolutely do and because they lack a filter at that age, they will state so loudly and ask questions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I didn't think the books were mandatory. Not sure where that idea is coming from.

It's mandatory because the book is being read during circle time and to my knowledge, kids don't have the option of choosing to not participate in reading time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's because of Libs of TikTok picking up this tweet:

Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

Here's the thing. Hate is taught at home. You could read young kids this book and they would ask a few questions and be like cool and move on. If your belief is that people can't be treated with respect and kindness even if they are different from you, then go find that school that teaches only hated beliefs like that. Public school is for EVERYONE. Even gasp - transgender students. There are many in public schools right now that you don't even realize are trans, especially in elementary school.

You are conflating things.

There is a debate in the public sphere right now on how soon is it acceptable for someone to realize they are transgender and what age should we allow those people to make a permanent decision that results in irreversible, medical interventions that can't be walked back.

Some people feel like there is no minimum age on making the decision to transition and that kids as young as 5 should be able to declare themselves a gender other than the one they were born as. Other people think that such a permanent, life-altering decision is best left when people are closer to adulthood and capable of understanding the long-term consequences of these decisions and hopefully have a better sense of who they are.

There are plenty of doctors, psychologists and child development experts on both sides of the argument. This book takes one side of that argument and is being pushed to the children of parents' who might be on the other side.

That's the problem and being on either side of the debate does not mean you "hate" trans people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's because of Libs of TikTok picking up this tweet:

Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

Here's the thing. Hate is taught at home. You could read young kids this book and they would ask a few questions and be like cool and move on. If your belief is that people can't be treated with respect and kindness even if they are different from you, then go find that school that teaches only hated beliefs like that. Public school is for EVERYONE. Even gasp - transgender students. There are many in public schools right now that you don't even realize are trans, especially in elementary school.

You are conflating things.

There is a debate in the public sphere right now on how soon is it acceptable for someone to realize they are transgender and what age should we allow those people to make a permanent decision that results in irreversible, medical interventions that can't be walked back.

Some people feel like there is no minimum age on making the decision to transition and that kids as young as 5 should be able to declare themselves a gender other than the one they were born as. Other people think that such a permanent, life-altering decision is best left when people are closer to adulthood and capable of understanding the long-term consequences of these decisions and hopefully have a better sense of who they are.

There are plenty of doctors, psychologists and child development experts on both sides of the argument. This book takes one side of that argument and is being pushed to the children of parents' who might be on the other side.

That's the problem and being on either side of the debate does not mean you "hate" trans people.

+1

Not wanting young kids to start thinking about gender change in elementary has no relationship with hating or loving trans people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't think the books were mandatory. Not sure where that idea is coming from.

It's mandatory because the book is being read during circle time and to my knowledge, kids don't have the option of choosing to not participate in reading time.

Captive audience and it becomes mandatory.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

It is absolutely not true that 5 year olds don't notice if a girl is wearing a boy's clothes or vice versa. They absolutely do and because they lack a filter at that age, they will state so loudly and ask questions.

Tons of 5 year old girls put boys clothes and most kids won't even give a thought. Its not rare at all. Other way around it's more noticeable because that's rare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In early elementary, no kid care about gender or how you dress.

Even the idea of being a boy when you are born as girl at such a young age is put by parents. Kids don't come up with that themselves.

Just go ahead and let kids wear whatever dress kid want to wear. No one will care.

"No one will care," and yet evidently some people do care about the harm purportedly caused to children if a teacher reads this book to them in the classroom...

You still not get it , right?

Kids don't even notice if 5 years old girl is wearing boys clothes. They don't care, because it's not something they are actively thinking.

Now first as LGBT parent, you go and talk with your kid about possibility of gender change at age of 5-6. Then you expect all other parents to follow your example.

Yes, You are not asking parent to talk about it, but you are asking schools to talk about it.

You don't see a problem here?

It is absolutely not true that 5 year olds don't notice if a girl is wearing a boy's clothes or vice versa. They absolutely do and because they lack a filter at that age, they will state so loudly and ask questions.

Tons of 5 year old girls put boys clothes and most kids won't even give a thought. Its not rare at all. Other way around it's more noticeable because that's rare.

It depends on the clothes. If a girl wears sweat pants and a t-shirt, no because that is pretty unisex at this point. But if a girl walks in wearing a tuxedo or a suit, kids will notice and probably remark.

[Anonymous]

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Honestly, I have questions as to why this book was chosen to be read to kids. It's one thing to have the book available to kids in the library for those who might be LGBTQ and curious about this, but to make it a mandatory reading for all kids, whose parents might have differing and varying opinions on this topic seems like you're intentionally provoking a backlash.

So, only kids who might be LGBTQ would benefit from this book?

Are there any other topics that parents might have differing and varying opinions on that you think kids shouldn't learn about at school unless they actively seek those topics out?

Sexuality needs to be taught in elementary?

Whether it does, or whether it doesn't, this book is not about sexuality.

What's the Story?

Penelope knows who he is -- a ninja, a karate student, and a boy -- but the people in his life see him as a girl, so he acts out to get their attention. A heart-to-heart with his mom, who immediately affirms his gender identity, means Penelope can start living as a boy in all parts of his life. They make a plan to tell the whole family, and the next school day, he dresses up in his favorite jeans, button down shirt and tie, and goes to school, where he tells classmates and his principal that yes, he is a boy. His family and wider community accept and support him, so Penelope pours his energy into preparing for a big goal: winning gold at his first karate competition. This book is based on the author's son, who now goes by Penel.

Yah, I recall an LGBT parent made one kid go from girl to boy in in K, yes in K. As if anyone really cares if you are boy or girl and they need to accept or not accept when kids are 5-6 years old. Kid won't even get an idea like this, all thanks to their parent.

This is so wrong - Parents don't "make" their kids do this. I have a relative who is LGBTQ+ and was long before those initials were made popular. They say they knew at age 6. People are who they are, you can't make them one thing or another

I don't think any LGBT parent intentionally want their kids to do gender change. Problem is constantly talking about something which is non-issue at that age. Who cares how 5-6 years old kid want to dress in K? No one.

Now first give idea of changing gender to a kid who is 5-6 years old then expect other kids to get bombarded by this idea. No wonder parents will push back. When kids are old enough to think for themselves, they can pick any gender they want, but constant push to talk about gender in early elementary is simply not acceptable. It simply puts LGBT community in poor light who don't care about others.

Tolerance and acceptance is not an issue here in young elementary. LGBT parent may think that it's good idea to talk about gender change to their 5-6 years old kid, but others don't think it's a good idea to talk about when kids are so young. If LGBT parent wants to talk then home is the place to do it. [/quote

My kid is only 5 at bells mill and understands its not a "gender change," its gender affirmation, so he calls it what is inside matches the outside. He doesn't feel like gender is being pushed. He knows he's a boy. A 5 yo can understand that but you can't?

How did your 5 years old kid get into discussion of affirming inside/outside? I meant, did you start talking about it at home, because 5 year old kids are not even aware of it.

Question is - Are you putting this idea in his/her head? Or School is putting this idea in his/her head when kids is only 5 years old.

There are trans people in our community. It's a simple as that