Palisades High School bus for students ?

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

My data is looking at a map.

So your data is not very useful. Few DCPS kids live in Georgetown, Foxhall, or Palisades. The bulk of the kids zoned for Macarthur have to get from the Wisconsin Ave corridor (on which their homes and Deal/J-R lie) over to Macarthur Blvd. It is not easy by bus, it is not easy walking or biking (distance and hills), it is not quick driving (small roads + traffic).

But don't let knowledge get in the way of your making assertions.

Let's review. I said, "For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR." By "catchment" I meant the land area; a quick look at a map tells you that most of the area is closer to MacArthur.

Let me turn the question around: what's your data? Because I've actually studied the issue, and I know that DCPS has studiously avoided releasing any information about the geographic composition of the current Hardy student body. Sure, you can look at the in-boundary rate for Hardy, and you can look at the in-boundary rate for the feeder schools, and maybe make some inferences, but DCPS won't share a few key facts that you'd need to make any sort of meaningful analysis. Like, for example, what percentage of in-boundary kids at each feeder school go on to Hardy.

So what's your data?

What PP is trying to say is that the new HS will likely be easier to get to for OOB kids, not feeder kids.

I'm the PP and I'm not saying that at all. It's not going to be easy for OOB kids, there's an east-west bottleneck through Georgetown that affects every mode of transportation.

What I'm saying is that for kids who live within walking distance of the school -- which I'm defining as two miles, because that's how far I walked when I was in high school -- for the most part they're closer than they are to JR, and it's not exactly easy to get to JR from most of that area either.

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There's a staffing update zoom meeting going now. Anyone able to attend?

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1/2 the seats at the new high school is going to be open to all kids in the city, so OOB kids.

The school will also have equitable access in the lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:1/2 the seats at the new high school is going to be open to all kids in the city, so OOB kids.

The school will also have equitable access in the lottery.

The amount of seats available in the lottery (OOB and EADS) depends on how many in-boundary students opt to go there. In the first two years, Hardy students have the option of J-R, so maybe Macarthur will have room for a good chunk of OOB. Starting Year 3, Hardy students will only have Macarthur (or else Walls, private, etc) so likely very few lottery seats will be available.

Were all Hardy students to move on to Macarthur, there would be no room for lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:1/2 the seats at the new high school is going to be open to all kids in the city, so OOB kids.

The school will also have equitable access in the lottery.

Bowser was saying that in the early days, and frankly it showed an utter misunderstanding of how DCPS works. They've since walked that talk back.

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Anonymous wrote:Tenleytown and Wesley heights kids needed a bus and the d6 don't
Pick around this area .dcps is making very hard to get to the school. The city need to do something about this problem like deal did

This. To get to the new high school from just over a mile away, the kids would have to take three buses (mass ave, wisconsin ave, and then back out macarthur). It's a major deterrent for these neighborhood families.

If they are just over a mile away, they can walk.

Biking would be nice too, but bike infrastructure sucks over there.

Few students will live within a mile. We're in Wesley Heights, and Apple Maps puts the walk at 2 mi and 45 min (in the downhill direction). All of the Eaton boundary is significantly farther (3-5 miles).

It's a lot to ask kids to walk two miles to school, especially if they have to go to JR afterschool for sports. I am really upset that DCPS says Macarthur kids can participate in sports at JR but refuses to provide transportation. Most 9th graders do not have driver's licenses, let alone cars.

That’s far. How do they get to Deal and JR now?

They don't go to deal.... they go to Hardy.

Correct. But to get to J-R and (in the old days) Deal, they walk, bike, ride the bus, or get dropped off. Because J-R and Deal are much closer to them and are centrally located at the center of several major roads.

Macarthur is convenient to almost no one. You would never pick it for it's location, unless you were aiming to be accessible to VA and MD commuters.

For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR.

Your data? For students living inbounds for Eaton and most of Mann, it is not closer. And for a bunch of other students, Macarthur may be closer as the crow flies, but not easier to get to.

My data is looking at a map.

So your data is not very useful. Few DCPS kids live in Georgetown, Foxhall, or Palisades. The bulk of the kids zoned for Macarthur have to get from the Wisconsin Ave corridor (on which their homes and Deal/J-R lie) over to Macarthur Blvd. It is not easy by bus, it is not easy walking or biking (distance and hills), it is not quick driving (small roads + traffic).

But don't let knowledge get in the way of your making assertions.

Let's review. I said, "For almost all of the MacArthur catchment, MacArthur is closer than JR." By "catchment" I meant the land area; a quick look at a map tells you that most of the area is closer to MacArthur.

Let me turn the question around: what's your data? Because I've actually studied the issue, and I know that DCPS has studiously avoided releasing any information about the geographic composition of the current Hardy student body. Sure, you can look at the in-boundary rate for Hardy, and you can look at the in-boundary rate for the feeder schools, and maybe make some inferences, but DCPS won't share a few key facts that you'd need to make any sort of meaningful analysis. Like, for example, what percentage of in-boundary kids at each feeder school go on to Hardy.

So what's your data?

What PP is trying to say is that the new HS will likely be easier to get to for OOB kids, not feeder kids.

I'm the PP and I'm not saying that at all. It's not going to be easy for OOB kids, there's an east-west bottleneck through Georgetown that affects every mode of transportation.

What I'm saying is that for kids who live within walking distance of the school -- which I'm defining as two miles, because that's how far I walked when I was in high school -- for the most part they're closer than they are to JR, and it's not exactly easy to get to JR from most of that area either.