Can a kid who is not an URM, or recruited athlete or legacy get into an Ivy from a DC private?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve looked so far at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. All report having only 60% of their class coming from public school.

In other news, people willing to pay 50k a year for high school are willing to pay 80k a year for college

But you all claimed these kids weren’t getting in at very high numbers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one has data because the schools don't want you to know this.

-But talk to any parent of a senior this year or last.
-Talk to a NW DC college admissions counselor.
-Look at the schools' student-run Instagram pages from last year and this year (not prefect but give trends)

Listen, we're not making this up for kicks and thrills or to start drama for fun. Pretty much no one is getting in who isn't a minority or an athlete or a big donor's kid.
OR feel free to keep paying the $55K per year and keep your head in the sand until your kid's senior year and you see this play out with your own kid. That's honestly probably the best approach.

Nobody is arguing with you that T20 admissions for unhooked kids from the big 3 are almost nonexistent. We are arguing that DCPS does not have some secret sauce for unhooked kids. URM and athletics (the most obvious hooks) are not the only hooks getting some DCPS kids in. There is no way for parents to collect this data. It is all rumor and anecdata.

I am a public school kid and I would never send my kid to a public school in this area. Drugs in school, fights in the hallways, disruptions, and my friends kids who are in public school are trying to get their kids out. Knife fight in class in front of her daughter. Afraid to look at certain kids the “wrong way” or you may get jumped.

Trolls need better proofreading skills than you have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve looked so far at Harvard, Yale, and Princeton. All report having only 60% of their class coming from public school.

In other news, people willing to pay 50k a year for high school are willing to pay 80k a year for college

But you all claimed these kids weren’t getting in at very high numbers.

Why do people assume they are responding to someone who has made multiple comments?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one has data because the schools don't want you to know this.

-But talk to any parent of a senior this year or last.
-Talk to a NW DC college admissions counselor.
-Look at the schools' student-run Instagram pages from last year and this year (not prefect but give trends)

Listen, we're not making this up for kicks and thrills or to start drama for fun. Pretty much no one is getting in who isn't a minority or an athlete or a big donor's kid.
OR feel free to keep paying the $55K per year and keep your head in the sand until your kid's senior year and you see this play out with your own kid. That's honestly probably the best approach.

Nobody is arguing with you that T20 admissions for unhooked kids from the big 3 are almost nonexistent. We are arguing that DCPS does not have some secret sauce for unhooked kids. URM and athletics (the most obvious hooks) are not the only hooks getting some DCPS kids in. There is no way for parents to collect this data. It is all rumor and anecdata.

I don't think anyone is arguing that DCPS does much better. If you're white, not a recruited athlete and not a legacy from Jackson Reed you aren't getting into an Ivy either regardless of your grades and resume (with a tiny percentage of kids slipping through--but honestly this is the same at the Big3--a tiny number of unhooked kids get through). Walls seems to be a weird outlier. I don't know as much about MCPS, etc but I've heard it's similar this year.
This isn't a private vs. public debate but a shift in how colleges see this demographic of kids from this entire DMV region. It's not something the private schools can change.

Do tell us where you got this amazing insight from.

Uh, I have a senior at Jackson Reed and I have friends and he has friends and we're connected in the community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one has data because the schools don't want you to know this.

-But talk to any parent of a senior this year or last.
-Talk to a NW DC college admissions counselor.
-Look at the schools' student-run Instagram pages from last year and this year (not prefect but give trends)

Listen, we're not making this up for kicks and thrills or to start drama for fun. Pretty much no one is getting in who isn't a minority or an athlete or a big donor's kid.
OR feel free to keep paying the $55K per year and keep your head in the sand until your kid's senior year and you see this play out with your own kid. That's honestly probably the best approach.

Nobody is arguing with you that T20 admissions for unhooked kids from the big 3 are almost nonexistent. We are arguing that DCPS does not have some secret sauce for unhooked kids. URM and athletics (the most obvious hooks) are not the only hooks getting some DCPS kids in. There is no way for parents to collect this data. It is all rumor and anecdata.

I don't think anyone is arguing that DCPS does much better. If you're white, not a recruited athlete and not a legacy from Jackson Reed you aren't getting into an Ivy either regardless of your grades and resume (with a tiny percentage of kids slipping through--but honestly this is the same at the Big3--a tiny number of unhooked kids get through). Walls seems to be a weird outlier. I don't know as much about MCPS, etc but I've heard it's similar this year.
This isn't a private vs. public debate but a shift in how colleges see this demographic of kids from this entire DMV region. It's not something the private schools can change.

Do tell us where you got this amazing insight from.

Uh, I have a senior at Jackson Reed and I have friends and he has friends and we're connected in the community.

So anecdotes. Got it. Useless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one has data because the schools don't want you to know this.

-But talk to any parent of a senior this year or last.
-Talk to a NW DC college admissions counselor.
-Look at the schools' student-run Instagram pages from last year and this year (not prefect but give trends)

Listen, we're not making this up for kicks and thrills or to start drama for fun. Pretty much no one is getting in who isn't a minority or an athlete or a big donor's kid.
OR feel free to keep paying the $55K per year and keep your head in the sand until your kid's senior year and you see this play out with your own kid. That's honestly probably the best approach.

Nobody is arguing with you that T20 admissions for unhooked kids from the big 3 are almost nonexistent. We are arguing that DCPS does not have some secret sauce for unhooked kids. URM and athletics (the most obvious hooks) are not the only hooks getting some DCPS kids in. There is no way for parents to collect this data. It is all rumor and anecdata.

I don't think anyone is arguing that DCPS does much better. If you're white, not a recruited athlete and not a legacy from Jackson Reed you aren't getting into an Ivy either regardless of your grades and resume (with a tiny percentage of kids slipping through--but honestly this is the same at the Big3--a tiny number of unhooked kids get through). Walls seems to be a weird outlier. I don't know as much about MCPS, etc but I've heard it's similar this year.
This isn't a private vs. public debate but a shift in how colleges see this demographic of kids from this entire DMV region. It's not something the private schools can change.

Do tell us where you got this amazing insight from.

Uh, I have a senior at Jackson Reed and I have friends and he has friends and we're connected in the community.

Uh, are actually the senior at Jackson Reed?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one has data because the schools don't want you to know this.

-But talk to any parent of a senior this year or last.
-Talk to a NW DC college admissions counselor.
-Look at the schools' student-run Instagram pages from last year and this year (not prefect but give trends)

Listen, we're not making this up for kicks and thrills or to start drama for fun. Pretty much no one is getting in who isn't a minority or an athlete or a big donor's kid.
OR feel free to keep paying the $55K per year and keep your head in the sand until your kid's senior year and you see this play out with your own kid. That's honestly probably the best approach.

Nobody is arguing with you that T20 admissions for unhooked kids from the big 3 are almost nonexistent. We are arguing that DCPS does not have some secret sauce for unhooked kids. URM and athletics (the most obvious hooks) are not the only hooks getting some DCPS kids in. There is no way for parents to collect this data. It is all rumor and anecdata.

I don't think anyone is arguing that DCPS does much better. If you're white, not a recruited athlete and not a legacy from Jackson Reed you aren't getting into an Ivy either regardless of your grades and resume (with a tiny percentage of kids slipping through--but honestly this is the same at the Big3--a tiny number of unhooked kids get through).

In an international applicant pool, the most selective colleges in the US consider the student you describe to be average. And, in that context, they are indeed average.

With that in mind, explain why the most selective schools in the country should admit large numbers of average applicants from this area? The fact that an average applicant needs to rely on contacts in order to gain admission to Harvard ain't breaking news.

[Anonymous]

No worries, private school parents.

As soon as the Supreme Court dissolves affirmative action et al., colleges will be free of their terrible woke burden of racial and socio-economic equitable admissions, and they'll return to admitting rich private school students in spades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
No worries, private school parents.

As soon as the Supreme Court dissolves affirmative action et al., colleges will be free of their terrible woke burden of racial and socio-economic equitable admissions, and they'll return to admitting rich private school students in spades.

They still do. See the data I posted above about HYP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one has data because the schools don't want you to know this.

-But talk to any parent of a senior this year or last.
-Talk to a NW DC college admissions counselor.
-Look at the schools' student-run Instagram pages from last year and this year (not prefect but give trends)

Listen, we're not making this up for kicks and thrills or to start drama for fun. Pretty much no one is getting in who isn't a minority or an athlete or a big donor's kid.
OR feel free to keep paying the $55K per year and keep your head in the sand until your kid's senior year and you see this play out with your own kid. That's honestly probably the best approach.

Nobody is arguing with you that T20 admissions for unhooked kids from the big 3 are almost nonexistent. We are arguing that DCPS does not have some secret sauce for unhooked kids. URM and athletics (the most obvious hooks) are not the only hooks getting some DCPS kids in. There is no way for parents to collect this data. It is all rumor and anecdata.

I don't think anyone is arguing that DCPS does much better. If you're white, not a recruited athlete and not a legacy from Jackson Reed you aren't getting into an Ivy either regardless of your grades and resume (with a tiny percentage of kids slipping through--but honestly this is the same at the Big3--a tiny number of unhooked kids get through). Walls seems to be a weird outlier. I don't know as much about MCPS, etc but I've heard it's similar this year.
This isn't a private vs. public debate but a shift in how colleges see this demographic of kids from this entire DMV region. It's not something the private schools can change.

Do tell us where you got this amazing insight from.

Uh, I have a senior at Jackson Reed and I have friends and he has friends and we're connected in the community.

So anecdotes. Got it. Useless.

whatever. We're having a conversation here. I'm not reporting results of a research study at a conference.

I can say (as someone with students at JR and a Big3) that the stress is real at both schools. Ain't no-one getting in who isn't a URM/athlete/legacy so far in ED (with rare exception).
Definitely a shift noticed by those with older kids who went through this a few years ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one has data because the schools don't want you to know this.

-But talk to any parent of a senior this year or last.
-Talk to a NW DC college admissions counselor.
-Look at the schools' student-run Instagram pages from last year and this year (not prefect but give trends)

Listen, we're not making this up for kicks and thrills or to start drama for fun. Pretty much no one is getting in who isn't a minority or an athlete or a big donor's kid.
OR feel free to keep paying the $55K per year and keep your head in the sand until your kid's senior year and you see this play out with your own kid. That's honestly probably the best approach.

Nobody is arguing with you that T20 admissions for unhooked kids from the big 3 are almost nonexistent. We are arguing that DCPS does not have some secret sauce for unhooked kids. URM and athletics (the most obvious hooks) are not the only hooks getting some DCPS kids in. There is no way for parents to collect this data. It is all rumor and anecdata.

I don't think anyone is arguing that DCPS does much better. If you're white, not a recruited athlete and not a legacy from Jackson Reed you aren't getting into an Ivy either regardless of your grades and resume (with a tiny percentage of kids slipping through--but honestly this is the same at the Big3--a tiny number of unhooked kids get through). Walls seems to be a weird outlier. I don't know as much about MCPS, etc but I've heard it's similar this year.
This isn't a private vs. public debate but a shift in how colleges see this demographic of kids from this entire DMV region. It's not something the private schools can change.

Do tell us where you got this amazing insight from.

Uh, I have a senior at Jackson Reed and I have friends and he has friends and we're connected in the community.

So anecdotes. Got it. Useless.

whatever. We're having a conversation here. I'm not reporting results of a research study at a conference.

I can say (as someone with students at JR and a Big3) that the stress is real at both schools. Ain't no-one getting in who isn't a URM/athlete/legacy so far in ED (with rare exception).
Definitely a shift noticed by those with older kids who went through this a few years ago.

Oh well if the older kids say there was a change, it must be true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NCS had one girl last year who got into an Ivy without being a recruited athlete, URM or legacy (VIP or big donor legacy).
The trend seems to be continuing this year at NCS, GDS, Sidwell through ED at least. No kids admitted ED who are no hooked.

Time will tell if anyone unhooked gets in through regular decision.

The admissions landscape has REALLY, REALLY changed in recent (2 or so) years.
The high schools are trying to keep this under wraps but it is a a huge change.

You are very right about the private schools trying to keep this quiet.

For instance, GDS and Sidwell stopped reporting in any publication admissions by graduating class. Now they only show matriculations over the last 5 or 6 years of graduating classes. That’s a big new change.

At GDS, they have started actively recruiting top middle school athletes for 9th grade incoming class. This seems very new for them. Perhaps Sidwell and NCS have long recruited. GDS has not.

Finally, taking the incentives to their extreme, this will mean 9th grade admissions will be even more focused on VIP parents, URM and top athletes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
No worries, private school parents.

As soon as the Supreme Court dissolves affirmative action et al., colleges will be free of their terrible woke burden of racial and socio-economic equitable admissions, and they'll return to admitting rich private school students in spades.

This won’t change a thing. I think yours was a sarcastic post. There are many clues other than the check box on an application as to background of applicant. No way to govern that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one has data because the schools don't want you to know this.

-But talk to any parent of a senior this year or last.
-Talk to a NW DC college admissions counselor.
-Look at the schools' student-run Instagram pages from last year and this year (not prefect but give trends)

Listen, we're not making this up for kicks and thrills or to start drama for fun. Pretty much no one is getting in who isn't a minority or an athlete or a big donor's kid.
OR feel free to keep paying the $55K per year and keep your head in the sand until your kid's senior year and you see this play out with your own kid. That's honestly probably the best approach.

We keep paying the 55k per child each year for the education and experience. If my kids become interested in top colleges, cool. But that's certainly not why we're there.

This. Why some people think that the quality of the last four years of education is more important than the quality of the previous 13 is beyond me.

It’s because they think the only point of going to one school vs another is to get into a particular college. It’s a myopic, unintelligent way of looking at schooling.

It’s not the only factor but you are entirely kidding yourself if you don’t think a vast majority of parents consider this as one of the key factors to want to spend this type of money in a region (at least MoCo and NOVA) with some of the top public school systems in the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
No worries, private school parents.

As soon as the Supreme Court dissolves affirmative action et al., colleges will be free of their terrible woke burden of racial and socio-economic equitable admissions, and they'll return to admitting rich private school students in spades.

This won’t change a thing. I think yours was a sarcastic post. There are many clues other than the check box on an application as to background of applicant. No way to govern that.

If AOs are ever explicit to their staffs, and someone decides to blow the whistle, the settlement might put a nice dent in the endowment