If your child wants to be a teacher, is it better to go to a school with a bachelor’s in education

[Anonymous]

She should be aware, if she's not, that private school teachers nearly always make far less than their public school counterparts, and there is no associated pension.

I went to a high-ranking private school, and most of my teachers were very good but I can't think of any that had degrees in education. They nearly all had at least a Master's degree, however (in their field, not education), if not a PhD.

[Anonymous]

HIGHLY recommend not getting a teaching BS for the following reasons
1. Almost all fancy private schools in DC are looking for teachers with masters these days -- so your child will most likely need a masters anyway and will make (slightly) more money for having it
2. If gives you much more flexibility IF your child eventually decides that teaching isn't for them or they need to make more money and want to mae a career change
3. There are a lot of cheap masters in education options these days (see Maryland global campus)

4. Most importantly -- if your child REALLY REALLY wants to be a teach do not over invest in education -- a lot of the smaller PA state schools (Millersville, Bloomsburg, west Chester) have good education programs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She should be aware, if she's not, that private school teachers nearly always make far less than their public school counterparts, and there is no associated pension.

I went to a high-ranking private school, and most of my teachers were very good but I can't think of any that had degrees in education. They nearly all had at least a Master's degree, however (in their field, not education), if not a PhD.

Few to no behavioral issues to deal with, few safety issues and more autonomy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should be aware, if she's not, that private school teachers nearly always make far less than their public school counterparts, and there is no associated pension.

I went to a high-ranking private school, and most of my teachers were very good but I can't think of any that had degrees in education. They nearly all had at least a Master's degree, however (in their field, not education), if not a PhD.

Few to no behavioral issues to deal with, few safety issues and more autonomy.

I'll grant you the safety issues and the autonomy, but I promise there are plenty of behavioral issues in private high schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should be aware, if she's not, that private school teachers nearly always make far less than their public school counterparts, and there is no associated pension.

I went to a high-ranking private school, and most of my teachers were very good but I can't think of any that had degrees in education. They nearly all had at least a Master's degree, however (in their field, not education), if not a PhD.

Few to no behavioral issues to deal with, few safety issues and more autonomy.

I'll grant you the safety issues and the autonomy, but I promise there are plenty of behavioral issues in private high schools.

Discipline can include expulsion or suspension for up to a year at most--or all--private schools.

Families who send their children to private schools typically place a high value on education. Leads to better parental support.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should be aware, if she's not, that private school teachers nearly always make far less than their public school counterparts, and there is no associated pension.

I went to a high-ranking private school, and most of my teachers were very good but I can't think of any that had degrees in education. They nearly all had at least a Master's degree, however (in their field, not education), if not a PhD.

Few to no behavioral issues to deal with, few safety issues and more autonomy.

I'll grant you the safety issues and the autonomy, but I promise there are plenty of behavioral issues in private high schools.

Discipline can include expulsion or suspension for up to a year at most--or all--private schools.

Families who send their children to private schools typically place a high value on education. Leads to better parental support.

That really depends on whose kid is the issue

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should be aware, if she's not, that private school teachers nearly always make far less than their public school counterparts, and there is no associated pension.

I went to a high-ranking private school, and most of my teachers were very good but I can't think of any that had degrees in education. They nearly all had at least a Master's degree, however (in their field, not education), if not a PhD.

Few to no behavioral issues to deal with, few safety issues and more autonomy.

I'll grant you the safety issues and the autonomy, but I promise there are plenty of behavioral issues in private high schools.

Discipline can include expulsion or suspension for up to a year at most--or all--private schools.

Families who send their children to private schools typically place a high value on education. Leads to better parental support.

This is all true on paper, but the reality is that private schools need students who can afford the tuition. There are going to be students there who are not interested in doing the work, and they can't be gotten rid of because their parents are too wealthy, and the kids know it. Some of the kids there will have been thrown out (or "not asked back") from their previous private schools (this is a typical way private schools pawn off students with behavioral problems... they just quietly suggest they go someplace else next year). There are drugs, just like in a public school.

There are benefits to teaching in a private school, absolutely. But don't go into it assuming private school is a dreamland where the kids are all eager to learn and respectful. I am speaking from experience.

[Anonymous]

every teacher i know with a bach in ed. came out and found a job easily. didn't matter what school they came from. every single one got a job. as for education or subject degree, every teacher with a bachelor's gets offered the same money whether degree is education or a subject.

most will want their masters degree to go into administration, because teaching sucks, or they will likely quit the teaching profession within a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:every teacher i know with a bach in ed. came out and found a job easily. didn't matter what school they came from. every single one got a job. as for education or subject degree, every teacher with a bachelor's gets offered the same money whether degree is education or a subject.

most will want their masters degree to go into administration[b], because teaching sucks, or they will likely quit the teaching profession within a few years.

Is this the reason why teaching quality in public schools is going down the tube because so much money is being spent on administration?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:or major in a subject then do an MA in education? How much does school name matter for bachelors or masters if my DC may want to teach in an independent school someday? TIA.

She shouldn’t major in education for both. Johns Hopkins has an excellent masters program by the way.

Also, she may want to expand her job search ultimately to both public and private. Public school teachers tend to make much more than private. I believe teachers at Whitman, for example, are making six figures..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'll bite, though I'm a little horrified by all the negative comments about teachers and education majors.

I'm a teacher in a "good" public suburban high school. Yes, I was an education major. Double majored in English. I would do it all over again. I had great opportunities to observe/shadow as a freshman in college. Easy student teaching placement. My district paid for a large share of my master's.

I have several friends who teach in private schools. A couple had similar paths to mine. A couple of others tried different careers first, then pivoted into education. There are multiple paths, but please don't demean actual education majors.

It is a waste of $$ in terms of getting an actual college education .And a waste of time.
Degree, certification, then masters.

But read today's Wapo article on teacher shortage. This is no longer a viable field.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll bite, though I'm a little horrified by all the negative comments about teachers and education majors.

I'm a teacher in a "good" public suburban high school. Yes, I was an education major. Double majored in English. I would do it all over again. I had great opportunities to observe/shadow as a freshman in college. Easy student teaching placement. My district paid for a large share of my master's.

I have several friends who teach in private schools. A couple had similar paths to mine. A couple of others tried different careers first, then pivoted into education. There are multiple paths, but please don't demean actual education majors.

It is a waste of $$ in terms of getting an actual college education .And a waste of time.
Degree, certification, then masters.

But read today's Wapo article on teacher shortage. This is no longer a viable field.

But how can you say this? We will always need teachers. Don't any of you have an ounce of gratitude for the teachers who have supported your brilliant children?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should be aware, if she's not, that private school teachers nearly always make far less than their public school counterparts, and there is no associated pension.

I went to a high-ranking private school, and most of my teachers were very good but I can't think of any that had degrees in education. They nearly all had at least a Master's degree, however (in their field, not education), if not a PhD.

Few to no behavioral issues to deal with, few safety issues and more autonomy.

I'll grant you the safety issues and the autonomy, but I promise there are plenty of behavioral issues in private high schools.

Discipline can include expulsion or suspension for up to a year at most--or all--private schools.

Families who send their children to private schools typically place a high value on education. Leads to better parental support.

This is all true on paper, but the reality is that private schools need students who can afford the tuition. There are going to be students there who are not interested in doing the work, and they can't be gotten rid of because their parents are too wealthy, and the kids know it. Some of the kids there will have been thrown out (or "not asked back") from their previous private schools (this is a typical way private schools pawn off students with behavioral problems... they just quietly suggest they go someplace else next year). There are drugs, just like in a public school.

There are benefits to teaching in a private school, absolutely. But don't go into it assuming private school is a dreamland where the kids are all eager to learn and respectful. I am speaking from experience.

We have very different experiences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'll bite, though I'm a little horrified by all the negative comments about teachers and education majors.

I'm a teacher in a "good" public suburban high school. Yes, I was an education major. Double majored in English. I would do it all over again. I had great opportunities to observe/shadow as a freshman in college. Easy student teaching placement. My district paid for a large share of my master's.

I have several friends who teach in private schools. A couple had similar paths to mine. A couple of others tried different careers first, then pivoted into education. There are multiple paths, but please don't demean actual education majors.

It is a waste of $$ in terms of getting an actual college education .And a waste of time.
Degree, certification, then masters.

But read today's Wapo article on teacher shortage. This is no longer a viable field.

But how can you say this? We will always need teachers. Don't any of you have an ounce of gratitude for the teachers who have supported your brilliant children?

We may need teachers, but it doesn't show. They aren't paid, they aren’t respected, and they aren't trained for what teaching has become, a triage system for disability and mental health serious issues. It's a 24/7 work day. The number one thing that teachers say now is not so much about their pay or benefits, but that they can no longer meet the needs of children and they don't feel they can keep everyone safe. And I don't just mean school shootings- I mean the unbelievable behavioral problems. There's been a lot written about the 6 year old who shot a teacher. What we teachers knew, before it was ever printed, was that this wasn't a surprise to the staff. This, and other students', issues were dismissed and the teachers were left to manage. We live this every day.

So, private school? Is that right? So unless people pay $$$, they won't be able to give their child an education or a safe environment. Private school teachers aren't certified, and are paid less. Many private schools are also seeing the same problems, but they can throw kids out. So, no services for diverse learners, special ed , or mental health issues. What is the point? What does this solve? It's an exploitation of the whole system. If we want good schools, we need excellent funding, safe environments, transparency, competent leadership, and a full overhaul.
If you think teachers need gratitude - show it.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/01/19/teacher-shortage-mississippi/

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Anonymous wrote:She should be aware, if she's not, that private school teachers nearly always make far less than their public school counterparts, and there is no associated pension.

I went to a high-ranking private school, and most of my teachers were very good but I can't think of any that had degrees in education. They nearly all had at least a Master's degree, however (in their field, not education), if not a PhD.

Few to no behavioral issues to deal with, few safety issues and more autonomy.

I'll grant you the safety issues and the autonomy, but I promise there are plenty of behavioral issues in private high schools.

Discipline can include expulsion or suspension for up to a year at most--or all--private schools.

Families who send their children to private schools typically place a high value on education. Leads to better parental support.

This is all true on paper, but the reality is that private schools need students who can afford the tuition. There are going to be students there who are not interested in doing the work, and they can't be gotten rid of because their parents are too wealthy, and the kids know it. Some of the kids there will have been thrown out (or "not asked back") from their previous private schools (this is a typical way private schools pawn off students with behavioral problems... they just quietly suggest they go someplace else next year). There are drugs, just like in a public school.

There are benefits to teaching in a private school, absolutely. But don't go into it assuming private school is a dreamland where the kids are all eager to learn and respectful. I am speaking from experience.

We have very different experiences.

Sorry, PP is correct. Private schools are businesses, and people forget that. Especially during the pandemic, they couldn't afford to lose students so behavioral issues were aplenty.