At least 9 dead in mass shooting near LA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/22/california-gun-laws-monterey-park-shooting/

California’s strict gun laws don’t eliminate violence, but they have helped

"But Saturday night’s horrific mass killing at a Monterey Park dance hall shows how the state’s strict gun laws are incapable of fully preventing gun violence in a country where gun ownership is widely considered a constitutionally protected right, firearms move freely between states with vastly different regulations and gun-control measures are dotted with exceptions."
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"Still, with its restrictive state laws, California has among the lowest firearms mortality rates in the nation, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It ranked seventh lowest nationwide with 8.5 deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 — well below the nationwide average of 13.7. Texas posted a rate of 14.2. Georgia had a rate of 17.7. The highest rate was in Mississippi, at 28.6 deaths per 100,000 people."


But, shocker, the NRA and their crazies oppose gun control at every turn. So people continue to die. And those people who support guns have blood on their hands.

It's not about other states. It's about illegal guns flowing freely when it comes to organized crime and criminals being able to get access to weapons. What do you propose? Do you think that if you confiscate every single handgun from every single household across the US crime will stop and criminals won't find ways to obtain weapons? They have caches of weapons most likely, ghost guns that are untraceable.

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Anonymous wrote:America prefers guns rights over the right to live. Human’s with guns are more important than human’s with no guns.

California has strict gun control. The shooter is likely a gang member and career criminal

If that's the case, then why do ajdoining jurisdictions keep making it easy for gang members and career criminals to get guns?

Do you realize that California shares a border with Mexico?

So you're trying to claim the Asian shooter got his gun from Mexico? Do you have proof of this?

The shooter in CA used a machinegun according to police. Most likely it was a Glock pistol equipped with an add-on “switch” that was designed to be attached to a normal ordinary pistol to cause it to fire automatically. The same switches that have been turning up on lots of guns in DC and other cities. They’re super illegal. They’re not made here, and you can’t buy them in the US. Where do you think they come from, then?

They’re made in China, and smuggled into the US from …… Mexico.

[Citation Needed]

That's an unusal claim, given that individuals cannot own Glocks in China. There is no Chinese market for such conversion kits. Where's your evidence that these are being manufactured and imported from China? And where is your evidence that these are being smuggled via Mexico? And where is your evidence that such conversions aren't being done domestically? Particularly given the explosion in ghost guns and other illegal and gray market guns and gun accessories being cranked out by cottage industries all across gun-loving 'Murka?

There is no Chinese market for fentanyl laced opiates, either. That doesn’t stop China from cranking those out.

Look, you’re out of your depth here. You can spend a couple minutes googling “Chinese made Glock switch” and see for yourself, or you can dig your heels in and then be embarrassed when I reply to your next denial with citations and links.

Your call. Personally, if I were you I’d spare myself the embarrassment of being proved to be so uninformed.


Your call.

Top search results shows them coming in through ports of entry, not Mexico as was falsely claimed. And by the way, most of the fentanyl also comes in this way as well - not via the Mexican border. Yet you all want a border wall "to stop fentanyl." But sure, it's the rest of us who are "embarrassed and out of our depth."

https://www.foxla.com/news/black-market-guns-over-200-mislabeled-packages-containing-illegal-full-auto-glock-conversion-switches-recovered-at-lax

You are so naive.

Most fentanyl is intercepted at border entries. That is the fentanyl that never makes it into the country - because it is intercepted.
We have NO WAY OF KNOWING how the fentanyl that gets into the country actually enters - BECAUSE IT IS NOT DETECTED. Border agents HAVE found backpacks of drugs abandoned - evidently waiting to be picked up - in areas along the border that aren't border entries.
The cartel members in control of our border are not stupid. They make sure that masses of migrants enter illegally, taking up the resources and personnel we have so they can send contraband across at places other than border entries.
That is why we have had more than 1.2 MILLION got-aways since Biden took office. You think these criminals aren't transporting drugs or other contraband?

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Anonymous wrote:America prefers guns rights over the right to live. Human’s with guns are more important than human’s with no guns.

California has strict gun control. The shooter is likely a gang member and career criminal

If that's the case, then why do ajdoining jurisdictions keep making it easy for gang members and career criminals to get guns?

Do you realize that California shares a border with Mexico?

So you're trying to claim the Asian shooter got his gun from Mexico? Do you have proof of this?

The shooter in CA used a machinegun according to police. Most likely it was a Glock pistol equipped with an add-on “switch” that was designed to be attached to a normal ordinary pistol to cause it to fire automatically. The same switches that have been turning up on lots of guns in DC and other cities. They’re super illegal. They’re not made here, and you can’t buy them in the US. Where do you think they come from, then?

They’re made in China, and smuggled into the US from …… Mexico.

[Citation Needed]

That's an unusal claim, given that individuals cannot own Glocks in China. There is no Chinese market for such conversion kits. Where's your evidence that these are being manufactured and imported from China? And where is your evidence that these are being smuggled via Mexico? And where is your evidence that such conversions aren't being done domestically? Particularly given the explosion in ghost guns and other illegal and gray market guns and gun accessories being cranked out by cottage industries all across gun-loving 'Murka?

There is no Chinese market for fentanyl laced opiates, either. That doesn’t stop China from cranking those out.

Look, you’re out of your depth here. You can spend a couple minutes googling “Chinese made Glock switch” and see for yourself, or you can dig your heels in and then be embarrassed when I reply to your next denial with citations and links.

Your call. Personally, if I were you I’d spare myself the embarrassment of being proved to be so uninformed.


Your call.

Top search results shows them coming in through ports of entry, not Mexico as was falsely claimed. And by the way, most of the fentanyl also comes in this way as well - not via the Mexican border. Yet you all want a border wall "to stop fentanyl." But sure, it's the rest of us who are "embarrassed and out of our depth."

https://www.foxla.com/news/black-market-guns-over-200-mislabeled-packages-containing-illegal-full-auto-glock-conversion-switches-recovered-at-lax

You are so naive.

Most fentanyl is intercepted at border entries. That is the fentanyl that never makes it into the country - because it is intercepted.
We have NO WAY OF KNOWING how the fentanyl that gets into the country actually enters - BECAUSE IT IS NOT DETECTED. Border agents HAVE found backpacks of drugs abandoned - evidently waiting to be picked up - in areas along the border that aren't border entries.
The cartel members in control of our border are not stupid. They make sure that masses of migrants enter illegally, taking up the resources and personnel we have so they can send contraband across at places other than border entries.
That is why we have had more than 1.2 MILLION got-aways since Biden took office. You think these criminals aren't transporting drugs or other contraband?

Majority of fentanyl is being shipped here directly from China and India. Given how compact and strong it is in small quantities, there's far less of a reason to hump it across the border in a backpack like they did with other drugs.

[Anonymous]

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Can someone please explain why this attack keeps getting lumped in as race-motived?

For example, this LA article --

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-01-23/monterey-park-shooting-los-angeles-asian-communities

My issue is that it was done by a fellow Asian man. It clearly wasn't race motivated.

There are other reasons for attacks that are not race-motivated - e.g., the columbine.

Maybe it was a result of mental illness or other issues. It does not appear to be a result of race.

As a minority, it is very upsetting to me that this attack is called race-motivated without any regard to the fact that the attacker is the same race.

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Anonymous wrote:America prefers guns rights over the right to live. Human’s with guns are more important than human’s with no guns.

California has strict gun control. The shooter is likely a gang member and career criminal

If that's the case, then why do ajdoining jurisdictions keep making it easy for gang members and career criminals to get guns?

Do you realize that California shares a border with Mexico?

So you're trying to claim the Asian shooter got his gun from Mexico? Do you have proof of this?

The shooter in CA used a machinegun according to police. Most likely it was a Glock pistol equipped with an add-on “switch” that was designed to be attached to a normal ordinary pistol to cause it to fire automatically. The same switches that have been turning up on lots of guns in DC and other cities. They’re super illegal. They’re not made here, and you can’t buy them in the US. Where do you think they come from, then?

They’re made in China, and smuggled into the US from …… Mexico.

[Citation Needed]

That's an unusal claim, given that individuals cannot own Glocks in China. There is no Chinese market for such conversion kits. Where's your evidence that these are being manufactured and imported from China? And where is your evidence that these are being smuggled via Mexico? And where is your evidence that such conversions aren't being done domestically? Particularly given the explosion in ghost guns and other illegal and gray market guns and gun accessories being cranked out by cottage industries all across gun-loving 'Murka?

There is no Chinese market for fentanyl laced opiates, either. That doesn’t stop China from cranking those out.

Look, you’re out of your depth here. You can spend a couple minutes googling “Chinese made Glock switch” and see for yourself, or you can dig your heels in and then be embarrassed when I reply to your next denial with citations and links.

Your call. Personally, if I were you I’d spare myself the embarrassment of being proved to be so uninformed.


Your call.

Top search results shows them coming in through ports of entry, not Mexico as was falsely claimed. And by the way, most of the fentanyl also comes in this way as well - not via the Mexican border. Yet you all want a border wall "to stop fentanyl." But sure, it's the rest of us who are "embarrassed and out of our depth."

https://www.foxla.com/news/black-market-guns-over-200-mislabeled-packages-containing-illegal-full-auto-glock-conversion-switches-recovered-at-lax

You are so naive.

Most fentanyl is intercepted at border entries. That is the fentanyl that never makes it into the country - because it is intercepted.
We have NO WAY OF KNOWING how the fentanyl that gets into the country actually enters - BECAUSE IT IS NOT DETECTED. Border agents HAVE found backpacks of drugs abandoned - evidently waiting to be picked up - in areas along the border that aren't border entries.
The cartel members in control of our border are not stupid. They make sure that masses of migrants enter illegally, taking up the resources and personnel we have so they can send contraband across at places other than border entries.
That is why we have had more than 1.2 MILLION got-aways since Biden took office. You think these criminals aren't transporting drugs or other contraband?

Majority of fentanyl is being shipped here directly from China and India. Given how compact and strong it is in small quantities, there's far less of a reason to hump it across the border in a backpack like they did with other drugs.

This is not true. Mexico is the primary source.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/08/politics/fentanyl-commission-report/index.html

A new government report out Tuesday details how opioid trafficking in the United States has changed in recent years, with Mexico now a “dominant source” of the country’s fentanyl supply and synthetic opioids rapidly saturating drug markets.

In its report, the federal Commission on Combating Synthetic Opioid Trafficking – a bipartisan group of US lawmakers, experts and officials from federal departments and agencies – warns that if the US does nothing to change its response to the new challenges, more American lives will be lost.

“This is one of our most-pressing national security, law enforcement, and public health challenges, and we must do more as a nation and a government to protect our most precious resource ― American lives,” said Republican Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Democratic Rep. David Trone of Maryland, the commission’s co-chairs, in a letter included in the report.

Fentanyl is trafficked principally by land across the US’ southern border with Mexico, though cartels have also increased use of the US Postal Service, the report said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like the gun he used was illegal

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/01/22/california-gun-laws-monterey-park-shooting/

California’s strict gun laws don’t eliminate violence, but they have helped

"But Saturday night’s horrific mass killing at a Monterey Park dance hall shows how the state’s strict gun laws are incapable of fully preventing gun violence in a country where gun ownership is widely considered a constitutionally protected right, firearms move freely between states with vastly different regulations and gun-control measures are dotted with exceptions."
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"Still, with its restrictive state laws, California has among the lowest firearms mortality rates in the nation, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. It ranked seventh lowest nationwide with 8.5 deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 — well below the nationwide average of 13.7. Texas posted a rate of 14.2. Georgia had a rate of 17.7. The highest rate was in Mississippi, at 28.6 deaths per 100,000 people."


But, shocker, the NRA and their crazies oppose gun control at every turn. So people continue to die. And those people who support guns have blood on their hands.

It's not about other states. It's about illegal guns flowing freely when it comes to organized crime and criminals being able to get access to weapons. What do you propose? Do you think that if you confiscate every single handgun from every single household across the US crime will stop and criminals won't find ways to obtain weapons? They have caches of weapons most likely, ghost guns that are untraceable.

You think this shooter was part of organized crime? LOL. No. "Organized crime" and "criminals" as you envision them are not the only ones committing these crimes. Look at the mass shootings over the last 10 + years. Not the case. And in some of those cases, the guns were LEGAL.

Also nowhere did I use the words "confiscate" in any of my posts. I used "buy backs."

[Anonymous]

The shooter went to another location and an unarmed man was able to get his gun away and call the police. Just incredible bravery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP.

Can someone please explain why this attack keeps getting lumped in as race-motived?

For example, this LA article --

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-01-23/monterey-park-shooting-los-angeles-asian-communities

My issue is that it was done by a fellow Asian man. It clearly wasn't race motivated.

There are other reasons for attacks that are not race-motivated - e.g., the columbine.

Maybe it was a result of mental illness or other issues. It does not appear to be a result of race.

As a minority, it is very upsetting to me that this attack is called race-motivated without any regard to the fact that the attacker is the same race.

Yeah I don’t get that either. Kind of waters down the racial argument when it is used so inaccurately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP.

Can someone please explain why this attack keeps getting lumped in as race-motived?

For example, this LA article --

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-01-23/monterey-park-shooting-los-angeles-asian-communities

My issue is that it was done by a fellow Asian man. It clearly wasn't race motivated.

There are other reasons for attacks that are not race-motivated - e.g., the columbine.

Maybe it was a result of mental illness or other issues. It does not appear to be a result of race.

As a minority, it is very upsetting to me that this attack is called race-motivated without any regard to the fact that the attacker is the same race.

Yeah I don’t get that either. Kind of waters down the racial argument when it is used so inaccurately.

WTOP has an article about what to say to support the Asian community following this shooting. While the article acknowledges the shooting wasn’t racially motivated, apparently there are special ways to support.

Seems strange.

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Anonymous wrote:America prefers guns rights over the right to live. Human’s with guns are more important than human’s with no guns.

California has strict gun control. The shooter is likely a gang member and career criminal

If that's the case, then why do ajdoining jurisdictions keep making it easy for gang members and career criminals to get guns?

Do you realize that California shares a border with Mexico?

So you're trying to claim the Asian shooter got his gun from Mexico? Do you have proof of this?

The shooter in CA used a machinegun according to police. Most likely it was a Glock pistol equipped with an add-on “switch” that was designed to be attached to a normal ordinary pistol to cause it to fire automatically. The same switches that have been turning up on lots of guns in DC and other cities. They’re super illegal. They’re not made here, and you can’t buy them in the US. Where do you think they come from, then?

They’re made in China, and smuggled into the US from …… Mexico.

[Citation Needed]

That's an unusal claim, given that individuals cannot own Glocks in China. There is no Chinese market for such conversion kits. Where's your evidence that these are being manufactured and imported from China? And where is your evidence that these are being smuggled via Mexico? And where is your evidence that such conversions aren't being done domestically? Particularly given the explosion in ghost guns and other illegal and gray market guns and gun accessories being cranked out by cottage industries all across gun-loving 'Murka?

There is no Chinese market for fentanyl laced opiates, either. That doesn’t stop China from cranking those out.

Look, you’re out of your depth here. You can spend a couple minutes googling “Chinese made Glock switch” and see for yourself, or you can dig your heels in and then be embarrassed when I reply to your next denial with citations and links.

Your call. Personally, if I were you I’d spare myself the embarrassment of being proved to be so uninformed.


Your call.

Top search results shows them coming in through ports of entry, not Mexico as was falsely claimed. And by the way, most of the fentanyl also comes in this way as well - not via the Mexican border. Yet you all want a border wall "to stop fentanyl." But sure, it's the rest of us who are "embarrassed and out of our depth."

https://www.foxla.com/news/black-market-guns-over-200-mislabeled-packages-containing-illegal-full-auto-glock-conversion-switches-recovered-at-lax

You are so naive.

Most fentanyl is intercepted at border entries. That is the fentanyl that never makes it into the country - because it is intercepted.
We have NO WAY OF KNOWING how the fentanyl that gets into the country actually enters - BECAUSE IT IS NOT DETECTED. Border agents HAVE found backpacks of drugs abandoned - evidently waiting to be picked up - in areas along the border that aren't border entries.
The cartel members in control of our border are not stupid. They make sure that masses of migrants enter illegally, taking up the resources and personnel we have so they can send contraband across at places other than border entries.
That is why we have had more than 1.2 MILLION got-aways since Biden took office. You think these criminals aren't transporting drugs or other contraband?

Majority of fentanyl is being shipped here directly from China and India. Given how compact and strong it is in small quantities, there's far less of a reason to hump it across the border in a backpack like they did with other drugs.

This is not true. Mexico is the primary source.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/08/politics/fentanyl-commission-report/index.html

A new government report out Tuesday details how opioid trafficking in the United States has changed in recent years, with Mexico now a “dominant source” of the country’s fentanyl supply and synthetic opioids rapidly saturating drug markets.

In its report, the federal Commission on Combating Synthetic Opioid Trafficking – a bipartisan group of US lawmakers, experts and officials from federal departments and agencies – warns that if the US does nothing to change its response to the new challenges, more American lives will be lost.

“This is one of our most-pressing national security, law enforcement, and public health challenges, and we must do more as a nation and a government to protect our most precious resource ― American lives,” said Republican Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Democratic Rep. David Trone of Maryland, the commission’s co-chairs, in a letter included in the report.

Fentanyl is trafficked principally by land across the US’ southern border with Mexico, though cartels have also increased use of the US Postal Service, the report said.

They are using postal service, they are flying it in, they are using container ships and modes other than the border, there are NUMEROUS reports that detail this. But you do you.

[Anonymous]

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Maybe it wasn't the world that was the problem, maybe it was him.

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Maybe it wasn't the world that was the problem, maybe it was him.

Which is why so many shooters have a domestic violence background.