Is it wrong to poach teachers?

[Anonymous]

Can’t blame the teachers, poach your own or find a new daycare before there are no teachers left.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how much preschool teachers get paid, but I pay about $2.2k for a 4 year old (24 kids with 2 staffs). I assume they get paid at least $50k for the lead teacher, do I guess it righht?

24 to 2 is a horrible ratio. So you have people who are not just making terrible pay they have terrible working conditions. Imagine if there was a norm for workload in your field and you were asked to do 20-40% over it.

Yup, those are Kindergarten ratios, not daycare. I came to this thread prepared to be outraged, but I’m not. It was a bad work environment. What’s the average household salary of the parents who attend the school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how much preschool teachers get paid, but I pay about $2.2k for a 4 year old (24 kids with 2 staffs). I assume they get paid at least $50k for the lead teacher, do I guess it righht?

When I taught, I got paid $24/hour and I wasn't covered for planning time. So I got 25k/year before taxes.I got no health benefits, no 401k, nothing but taxes taken out. I could only do it because my DH has a better paying job. No way to survive as a preschool teacher on your own in this area. But I've learned in LCOL areas they get paid even lower, so...

Maybe you want to question your teaching abilities because your math is way off. At $24 per hour you would almost clear $50k per year before taxes, not $25k as you represent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how much preschool teachers get paid, but I pay about $2.2k for a 4 year old (24 kids with 2 staffs). I assume they get paid at least $50k for the lead teacher, do I guess it righht?

When I taught, I got paid $24/hour and I wasn't covered for planning time. So I got 25k/year before taxes.I got no health benefits, no 401k, nothing but taxes taken out. I could only do it because my DH has a better paying job. No way to survive as a preschool teacher on your own in this area. But I've learned in LCOL areas they get paid even lower, so...

Maybe you want to question your teaching abilities because your math is way off. At $24 per hour you would almost clear $50k per year before taxes, not $25k as you represent.

You are assuming that the PP is paid 40 hours a week, keeping hours low to avoid health insurance requirements is a common strategy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the school wanted to keep them they needed to make it a job worth keeping. Would you rather take care of 12 kids for 18 an hour or 2 kids for 25 an hour?

+1

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t blame somebody for taking a higher paid job. I feel bad for the rest of the people at the school, and the school at some point, but I think people have to look out for their own best interests. At the same time poaching really seems unethical. These teachers now nannies should probably watch out for these employers down the line, because if they are unethical in one way, they might turn out to be unethical in other ways.

Conspiring to keep women in poverty is not ethical behavior. Offering someone a job is not unethical.

Conspiring?? Who?

It was unethical for these families to come in to a school and poach 4 teachers. It cripples the program and now it affects many other families. If these families needed nannies, they could’ve looked for nannies elsewhere, or waited until the end of the year if they loved those teachers so much.

If the school wanted to keep employees, it should have paid them more

+1 I doubt most posters on this forum would turn down a better job, regardless of timing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how much preschool teachers get paid, but I pay about $2.2k for a 4 year old (24 kids with 2 staffs). I assume they get paid at least $50k for the lead teacher, do I guess it righht?

The lead preschool teacher I know, with 20+ years of experience, just recently broke $30K.

You pay $2200 a month for a 24 to 2 ratio? And they only pay teachers after 20 years 30k. With 24 kids and every parent paying 2.2 a month for 10 months that’s over 500,000 a year that room generates. Is this a corporate chain daycare?

[Anonymous]

Most I’ve ever made working at daycare was 16$ ph. Bright horizons paid even less 14$ I switched t nannying and never looked back

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t blame somebody for taking a higher paid job. I feel bad for the rest of the people at the school, and the school at some point, but I think people have to look out for their own best interests. At the same time poaching really seems unethical. These teachers now nannies should probably watch out for these employers down the line, because if they are unethical in one way, they might turn out to be unethical in other ways.

Conspiring to keep women in poverty is not ethical behavior. Offering someone a job is not unethical.

Conspiring?? Who?

It was unethical for these families to come in to a school and poach 4 teachers. It cripples the program and now it affects many other families. If these families needed nannies, they could’ve looked for nannies elsewhere, or waited until the end of the year if they loved those teachers so much.

If the school wanted to keep employees, it should have paid them more

+1 I doubt most posters on this forum would turn down a better job, regardless of timing.

Of course people should be able to take better paying jobs.

Just be aware that many daycares/preschools simply cannot pay that much more. Some could, but probably not enough to really be competitive. Our early care and education sector is hanging by a thread. So yeah, I think if you are going to poach a teacher, wait until the end of the school year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t blame somebody for taking a higher paid job. I feel bad for the rest of the people at the school, and the school at some point, but I think people have to look out for their own best interests. At the same time poaching really seems unethical. These teachers now nannies should probably watch out for these employers down the line, because if they are unethical in one way, they might turn out to be unethical in other ways.

Conspiring to keep women in poverty is not ethical behavior. Offering someone a job is not unethical.

Conspiring?? Who?

It was unethical for these families to come in to a school and poach 4 teachers. It cripples the program and now it affects many other families. If these families needed nannies, they could’ve looked for nannies elsewhere, or waited until the end of the year if they loved those teachers so much.

If the school wanted to keep employees, it should have paid them more

Most preschools have parents sign a contract or handbook that penalizes a family if they are caught poaching a teachers. Our preschool had that happen before through parents telling parents and it was a $10k penalty tk the family and all money gained in the transaction for teacher.

+1 I doubt most posters on this forum would turn down a better job, regardless of timing.

Of course people should be able to take better paying jobs.

Just be aware that many daycares/preschools simply cannot pay that much more. Some could, but probably not enough to really be competitive. Our early care and education sector is hanging by a thread. So yeah, I think if you are going to poach a teacher, wait until the end of the school year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how much preschool teachers get paid, but I pay about $2.2k for a 4 year old (24 kids with 2 staffs). I assume they get paid at least $50k for the lead teacher, do I guess it righht?

The lead preschool teacher I know, with 20+ years of experience, just recently broke $30K.

You pay $2200 a month for a 24 to 2 ratio? And they only pay teachers after 20 years 30k. With 24 kids and every parent paying 2.2 a month for 10 months that’s over 500,000 a year that room generates. Is this a corporate chain daycare?

No. It’s a single private preschool. My sibling teaches there. It’s a racket. Directors will blather endlessly about “facilities, overhead and insurance,” but that nowhere near justifies the hundreds of thousands of tuition dollars not going to preschool teachers.

[Anonymous]

It's so weird that "approved education programs" including preschools need a 2:24 ratio but a child care program serving 3-4 year olds needs a 2:20 ratio.

[Anonymous]

I prefer home daycares. They pay better than daycare centers.

US has so much money to fund education, social programs, our communities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently there’s a lot of drama happening in our old preschool.

Three families who the parents or close friends started at the same time in August. They just left and took 4 teachers with them when the school is already short staffed. They offered a few teachers a nanny and job that would pay more than the school is willing to pay. They needed a nanny soon so the teachers who accepted quit immediately or with a one week notice.

They took the assistant and lead teacher out of one of the classes so now there’s no teacher for that class. Two other teachers accepted the job and quit.

Since they are close, did this all at the same time and only started in August many people believe this is the entire reason they enrolled in the school.

Is it wrong to poach teachers from your school? Or would it be wrong to deny the teachers an opportunity for a higher paying job just to benefit the school as a whole?

The parents didn't take them. They made them a higher paying offer that was accepted.

[Anonymous]

No. They deserve a better pay