Is it wrong to poach teachers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can’t blame somebody for taking a higher paid job. I feel bad for the rest of the people at the school, and the school at some point, but I think people have to look out for their own best interests. At the same time poaching really seems unethical. These teachers now nannies should probably watch out for these employers down the line, because if they are unethical in one way, they might turn out to be unethical in other ways.

Conspiring to keep women in poverty is not ethical behavior. Offering someone a job is not unethical.

Conspiring?? Who?

It was unethical for these families to come in to a school and poach 4 teachers. It cripples the program and now it affects many other families. If these families needed nannies, they could’ve looked for nannies elsewhere, or waited until the end of the year if they loved those teachers so much.

If the school wanted to keep employees, it should have paid them more

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t blame somebody for taking a higher paid job. I feel bad for the rest of the people at the school, and the school at some point, but I think people have to look out for their own best interests. At the same time poaching really seems unethical. These teachers now nannies should probably watch out for these employers down the line, because if they are unethical in one way, they might turn out to be unethical in other ways.

Conspiring to keep women in poverty is not ethical behavior. Offering someone a job is not unethical.

Conspiring?? Who?

It was unethical for these families to come in to a school and poach 4 teachers. It cripples the program and now it affects many other families. If these families needed nannies, they could’ve looked for nannies elsewhere, or waited until the end of the year if they loved those teachers so much.

If the school wanted to keep employees, it should have paid them more

You're a part of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Teachers, subtitutes deserves better pay. Most of them has to find a second job. Good job on the staff of that preschool.

This country needs to fund more Education, Healthcare, our communities and social programs

[Anonymous]

I like being in a center. I'm a preschool teacher. I've been to rich, poor, Jewish, Hispanic centers. They are all the same.
Better be a nanny.

[Anonymous]

Centers need to hire more people. And pay them better.

[Anonymous]

I like the kids in center or daycare. But I wish they paid better the staff.

[Anonymous]

If the preschool decided to layoff 4 teachers without a notice, this news would not even make it to this forum.

[Anonymous]

Funny, the OP asked if it was wrong to poach teachers, not if it was wrong to be poached, and most of the responses say "of course you can't blame the teachers for leaving!" Who's blaming the teachers? Not OP!

I wouldn't blame a teacher for leaving for better pay and working conditions. It's rational and our jobs don't own us. But I think it's a jerk move for a parent, since there are actual nanny employment agencies and other options besides the one route that disrupts care for families who can't afford nannies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't know how much preschool teachers get paid, but I pay about $2.2k for a 4 year old (24 kids with 2 staffs). I assume they get paid at least $50k for the lead teacher, do I guess it righht?

The lead preschool teacher I know, with 20+ years of experience, just recently broke $30K.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Preschool pay is very very low, despite costs for parents being so high. When I taught preschool I may have left for higher pay too, but especially if they were unhappy with the director. Maybe something else was going on that you didn't know about.

Maybe the administration was awful in some way, making leaving an attractive option for those teachers. But people choose preschool teaching for the children, not the administration, and not for the pay. I'm surprised that one teacher would abandon those 3 and 4 year olds, let alone more than one. TBH, I think OP is a troll. But to answer her question, yes, "poaching" is wrong, those teachers did the wrong thing, and the parents did the wrong thing.

No, we’re not doing the tired Martyr Teacher bit anymore, with the “abandon the kids” BS. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When I worked as a lead a few years ago, salary prange was $21 - 25.00 an hour, assistants ranged 15-17.00

And were the hours good for your schedule?

Irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can’t blame somebody for taking a higher paid job. I feel bad for the rest of the people at the school, and the school at some point, but I think people have to look out for their own best interests. At the same time poaching really seems unethical. These teachers now nannies should probably watch out for these employers down the line, because if they are unethical in one way, they might turn out to be unethical in other ways.

Conspiring to keep women in poverty is not ethical behavior. Offering someone a job is not unethical.

Conspiring?? Who?

It was unethical for these families to come in to a school and poach 4 teachers. It cripples the program and now it affects many other families. If these families needed nannies, they could’ve looked for nannies elsewhere, or waited until the end of the year if they loved those teachers so much.

If the school wanted to keep employees, it should have paid them more

You're a part of the problem.

No, underpaying, noncompetitive (in the market as a while, not just to other preschools) schools are the problem. For what parents pay and how many kids there are in a class, preschool teacher pay is reprehensible. It may have flown before this period of record low unemployment, but it doesn’t now. If you can’t pay competitively, your business doesn’t need to exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Preschool pay is very very low, despite costs for parents being so high. When I taught preschool I may have left for higher pay too, but especially if they were unhappy with the director. Maybe something else was going on that you didn't know about.

Maybe the administration was awful in some way, making leaving an attractive option for those teachers. But people choose preschool teaching for the children, not the administration, and not for the pay. I'm surprised that one teacher would abandon those 3 and 4 year olds, let alone more than one. TBH, I think OP is a troll. But to answer her question, yes, "poaching" is wrong, those teachers did the wrong thing, and the parents did the wrong thing.

Women deserve to get paid. The notion that people in predominantly male occupations work for money and people in predominantly female occupations should do it "for the children" and not care whether they can keep a roof over their own children's head is so deeply misogynistic.

Someone can love their job, or aspects of their job, and also need a living wage and decent working conditions.

[Anonymous]

Why would you have to enroll in the school to offer the teachers at the school a job? What circumstances would cause 4 families to do this at once? This story doesn’t make sense to me.

[Anonymous]

Society doesn't help. No enough of fundings for education, communities, social programs.
You find what is best for you because society doesn't care