s/o Whatever happened to the redistricting/equity wars?

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

The report compared demographics of ES boundaries against adjacent ES boundaries. It found large disparities for TPES and PBES because both schools have a significant number of non-FARMS white students while bordering boundaries had significantly fewer. The outcome is a recommendation to affect a boundary change to facilitate better balancing of diversity between TPES/PBES and neighboring schools.

Please provide a citation from either the interim or final boundary analysis report to support your claims. I do not see where it says what you say above about Takoma Park schools. In fact, in the interim report, on page 225, there is a section on this topic which specifically names several different schools, none of which are in Takoma Park:

"Which Schools Are Most Socio-economically Dissimilar from their Nearest Schools?

Aside from Sligo Creek ES, the other elementary schools with the highest socioeconomic dissimilarity to their three nearest schools include Laytonsville ES (Damascus Cluster), Forest Knolls ES (Downcounty Consortium), Kemp Mill ES (Downcounty Consortium), and Strawberry Knoll ES (Gaithersburg cluster). Of these top five most dissimilar schools, three are a part of the Downcounty Consortium.

The most socio-economically dissimilar middle schools in the district from their nearest three schools are Neelsville MS (Clarksburg cluster), Kingsview MS (Northwest HS), Farquhar MS (Sherwood HS / Northeast Consortium), Hallie Wells MS (Clarksbug and Damascus HS), and Rosa M. Parks MS (Sherwood HS/Northeast Consortium).

The most socio-economically dissimilar high schools from their three nearest high schools are Sherwood HS, Poolesville HS, Damascus HS, Whitman HS, and Gaithersburg HS."

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/02c_Diversity.pdf

Within the DCC, you can clearly see Takoma Park ES has extremely different demographics from other adjacent ESs.

And across Cluster Boundaries, you can clearly see both Garrett Park and Kensington, who have significantly different demographics from the adjacent ES in the DCC.

But we don’t need the report to tell us what is obvious. Kensington goes mostly to BCC and Garrett Park goes to WJ to the west instead of going to more racially and socio-economically diverse schools to the east. And Takoma Park is the most white and affluent area within the DCC/Blair.

The report outcome is supposed to be used to reduce these discrepancies among adjacent boundaries.

The first image shows Sligo Creek and Joann Leleck in the darker orange and red. Sligo Creek's numbers are skewed by the French Immersion program.
TPES/PBES is in yellow, the same as neighboring ESS.

No, Kensington does not "mostly" go to BCC.

Garrett Park is likely going to be reassigned to Woodward when it opens.

+1 The chart does not show what PP is claiming that it shows. The outlier in the Blair cluster isn't TPES/PBES, it is Sligo Creek. Both TPES/PBES is more like Highland View and ESS than it is like Sligo Creek ES, demographically. I have no particular attachment to Takoma Park, but I do have attachment to people using data responsibly, and PP is making claims that are not held up by the data.

DP. And Sligo Creek and Highland View are really part of the Northwood cluster.

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

It stems from Blair envy which is a common malady in some quarters.

Blair Envy isn't a thing, it is literally the cheapest school zone to buy in. Being the least undesirable in the DCC doesn't mean it isn't still seen as a consortium school by everybody else.

Right...because Takoma Park is so cheap, Downtown SS and close-in areas are so cheap.
Your envy is definitely showing.

I am a longtime Silver Spring resident, and this whole "envy" thing is just stupid. There is obviously a wide range of real estate in neighborhoods zoned for Blair, from the most expensive parts of TKPK to the very affordable parts along the PG county border.

The Blair envy is real among the W folks. Blair accomplishments and accolades are what they envisioned for their schools when they overpaid to segregate themselves.

Upcounty resident here. Goodness guys. I literally don't know anyone who is envious of someone living in the Blair cluster. I know people want their kid to be in the magnet program but really, it's with ANY magnet. It can be RM or Poolesville too.

My Goodness, read what the poster said. It's not about living in the Blair cluster.
You must be new here. RM or Poolesville don't trigger the W parents as much as Blair does, not even close.

I've been here for a long time. I have never heard of Blair envy outside of DCUM, especially from families who attend a W. They're already happy where they are. The Blair accomplishments and accolades are a result of the students who got accepted to the magnet program. The same with the accolades and accomplishments of RM and Poolesville. Everyone knows this.

You actually think people will admit of Blair envy? LOL
Your post screams of envy.

PP was spot on. "Blair envy" is something that exists solely within your own head.

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

The report compared demographics of ES boundaries against adjacent ES boundaries. It found large disparities for TPES and PBES because both schools have a significant number of non-FARMS white students while bordering boundaries had significantly fewer. The outcome is a recommendation to affect a boundary change to facilitate better balancing of diversity between TPES/PBES and neighboring schools.

Please provide a citation from either the interim or final boundary analysis report to support your claims. I do not see where it says what you say above about Takoma Park schools. In fact, in the interim report, on page 225, there is a section on this topic which specifically names several different schools, none of which are in Takoma Park:

"Which Schools Are Most Socio-economically Dissimilar from their Nearest Schools?

Aside from Sligo Creek ES, the other elementary schools with the highest socioeconomic dissimilarity to their three nearest schools include Laytonsville ES (Damascus Cluster), Forest Knolls ES (Downcounty Consortium), Kemp Mill ES (Downcounty Consortium), and Strawberry Knoll ES (Gaithersburg cluster). Of these top five most dissimilar schools, three are a part of the Downcounty Consortium.

The most socio-economically dissimilar middle schools in the district from their nearest three schools are Neelsville MS (Clarksburg cluster), Kingsview MS (Northwest HS), Farquhar MS (Sherwood HS / Northeast Consortium), Hallie Wells MS (Clarksbug and Damascus HS), and Rosa M. Parks MS (Sherwood HS/Northeast Consortium).

The most socio-economically dissimilar high schools from their three nearest high schools are Sherwood HS, Poolesville HS, Damascus HS, Whitman HS, and Gaithersburg HS."

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/02c_Diversity.pdf

Within the DCC, you can clearly see Takoma Park ES has extremely different demographics from other adjacent ESs.

And across Cluster Boundaries, you can clearly see both Garrett Park and Kensington, who have significantly different demographics from the adjacent ES in the DCC.

But we don’t need the report to tell us what is obvious. Kensington goes mostly to BCC and Garrett Park goes to WJ to the west instead of going to more racially and socio-economically diverse schools to the east. And Takoma Park is the most white and affluent area within the DCC/Blair.

The report outcome is supposed to be used to reduce these discrepancies among adjacent boundaries.

The first image shows Sligo Creek and Joann Leleck in the darker orange and red. Sligo Creek's numbers are skewed by the French Immersion program.
TPES/PBES is in yellow, the same as neighboring ESS.

No, Kensington does not "mostly" go to BCC.

Garrett Park is likely going to be reassigned to Woodward when it opens.

+1 The chart does not show what PP is claiming that it shows. The outlier in the Blair cluster isn't TPES/PBES, it is Sligo Creek. Both TPES/PBES is more like Highland View and ESS than it is like Sligo Creek ES, demographically. I have no particular attachment to Takoma Park, but I do have attachment to people using data responsibly, and PP is making claims that are not held up by the data.

DP. And Sligo Creek and Highland View are really part of the Northwood cluster.

Sligo Creek has split articulation, but the broader point stands. If you look around the schools in the neighborhood, TPES/PBES is slightly more affluent than its neighbors (and a lot more affluent than schools like NHE/OVES) but that's a feature of the housing stock in the neighborhood, not the kind of racial gerrymandering that the original PP was claiming. TPES/PBES/TPMS/Blair all have pretty reasonable attendance zones, and the original claim was that Takoma Park enjoys some sort of outrageous advantage in its school zone and that just doesn't seem to hold up.

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

The report compared demographics of ES boundaries against adjacent ES boundaries. It found large disparities for TPES and PBES because both schools have a significant number of non-FARMS white students while bordering boundaries had significantly fewer. The outcome is a recommendation to affect a boundary change to facilitate better balancing of diversity between TPES/PBES and neighboring schools.

Please provide a citation from either the interim or final boundary analysis report to support your claims. I do not see where it says what you say above about Takoma Park schools. In fact, in the interim report, on page 225, there is a section on this topic which specifically names several different schools, none of which are in Takoma Park:

"Which Schools Are Most Socio-economically Dissimilar from their Nearest Schools?

Aside from Sligo Creek ES, the other elementary schools with the highest socioeconomic dissimilarity to their three nearest schools include Laytonsville ES (Damascus Cluster), Forest Knolls ES (Downcounty Consortium), Kemp Mill ES (Downcounty Consortium), and Strawberry Knoll ES (Gaithersburg cluster). Of these top five most dissimilar schools, three are a part of the Downcounty Consortium.

The most socio-economically dissimilar middle schools in the district from their nearest three schools are Neelsville MS (Clarksburg cluster), Kingsview MS (Northwest HS), Farquhar MS (Sherwood HS / Northeast Consortium), Hallie Wells MS (Clarksbug and Damascus HS), and Rosa M. Parks MS (Sherwood HS/Northeast Consortium).

The most socio-economically dissimilar high schools from their three nearest high schools are Sherwood HS, Poolesville HS, Damascus HS, Whitman HS, and Gaithersburg HS."

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/02c_Diversity.pdf

Within the DCC, you can clearly see Takoma Park ES has extremely different demographics from other adjacent ESs.

And across Cluster Boundaries, you can clearly see both Garrett Park and Kensington, who have significantly different demographics from the adjacent ES in the DCC.

But we don’t need the report to tell us what is obvious. Kensington goes mostly to BCC and Garrett Park goes to WJ to the west instead of going to more racially and socio-economically diverse schools to the east. And Takoma Park is the most white and affluent area within the DCC/Blair.

The report outcome is supposed to be used to reduce these discrepancies among adjacent boundaries.

The first image shows Sligo Creek and Joann Leleck in the darker orange and red. Sligo Creek's numbers are skewed by the French Immersion program.
TPES/PBES is in yellow, the same as neighboring ESS.

No, Kensington does not "mostly" go to BCC.

Garrett Park is likely going to be reassigned to Woodward when it opens.

+1 The chart does not show what PP is claiming that it shows. The outlier in the Blair cluster isn't TPES/PBES, it is Sligo Creek. Both TPES/PBES is more like Highland View and ESS than it is like Sligo Creek ES, demographically. I have no particular attachment to Takoma Park, but I do have attachment to people using data responsibly, and PP is making claims that are not held up by the data.

DP. And Sligo Creek and Highland View are really part of the Northwood cluster.

Sligo Creek has split articulation, but the broader point stands. If you look around the schools in the neighborhood, TPES/PBES is slightly more affluent than its neighbors (and a lot more affluent than schools like NHE/OVES) but that's a feature of the housing stock in the neighborhood, not the kind of racial gerrymandering that the original PP was claiming. TPES/PBES/TPMS/Blair all have pretty reasonable attendance zones, and the original claim was that Takoma Park enjoys some sort of outrageous advantage in its school zone and that just doesn't seem to hold up.

Agreed.

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

The report compared demographics of ES boundaries against adjacent ES boundaries. It found large disparities for TPES and PBES because both schools have a significant number of non-FARMS white students while bordering boundaries had significantly fewer. The outcome is a recommendation to affect a boundary change to facilitate better balancing of diversity between TPES/PBES and neighboring schools.

Please provide a citation from either the interim or final boundary analysis report to support your claims. I do not see where it says what you say above about Takoma Park schools. In fact, in the interim report, on page 225, there is a section on this topic which specifically names several different schools, none of which are in Takoma Park:

"Which Schools Are Most Socio-economically Dissimilar from their Nearest Schools?

Aside from Sligo Creek ES, the other elementary schools with the highest socioeconomic dissimilarity to their three nearest schools include Laytonsville ES (Damascus Cluster), Forest Knolls ES (Downcounty Consortium), Kemp Mill ES (Downcounty Consortium), and Strawberry Knoll ES (Gaithersburg cluster). Of these top five most dissimilar schools, three are a part of the Downcounty Consortium.

The most socio-economically dissimilar middle schools in the district from their nearest three schools are Neelsville MS (Clarksburg cluster), Kingsview MS (Northwest HS), Farquhar MS (Sherwood HS / Northeast Consortium), Hallie Wells MS (Clarksbug and Damascus HS), and Rosa M. Parks MS (Sherwood HS/Northeast Consortium).

The most socio-economically dissimilar high schools from their three nearest high schools are Sherwood HS, Poolesville HS, Damascus HS, Whitman HS, and Gaithersburg HS."

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/02c_Diversity.pdf

Within the DCC, you can clearly see Takoma Park ES has extremely different demographics from other adjacent ESs.

And across Cluster Boundaries, you can clearly see both Garrett Park and Kensington, who have significantly different demographics from the adjacent ES in the DCC.

But we don’t need the report to tell us what is obvious. Kensington goes mostly to BCC and Garrett Park goes to WJ to the west instead of going to more racially and socio-economically diverse schools to the east. And Takoma Park is the most white and affluent area within the DCC/Blair.

The report outcome is supposed to be used to reduce these discrepancies among adjacent boundaries.

The first image shows Sligo Creek and Joann Leleck in the darker orange and red. Sligo Creek's numbers are skewed by the French Immersion program.
TPES/PBES is in yellow, the same as neighboring ESS.

No, Kensington does not "mostly" go to BCC.

Garrett Park is likely going to be reassigned to Woodward when it opens.

+1 The chart does not show what PP is claiming that it shows. The outlier in the Blair cluster isn't TPES/PBES, it is Sligo Creek. Both TPES/PBES is more like Highland View and ESS than it is like Sligo Creek ES, demographically. I have no particular attachment to Takoma Park, but I do have attachment to people using data responsibly, and PP is making claims that are not held up by the data.

DP. And Sligo Creek and Highland View are really part of the Northwood cluster.

Sligo Creek has split articulation, but the broader point stands. If you look around the schools in the neighborhood, TPES/PBES is slightly more affluent than its neighbors (and a lot more affluent than schools like NHE/OVES) but that's a feature of the housing stock in the neighborhood, not the kind of racial gerrymandering that the original PP was claiming. TPES/PBES/TPMS/Blair all have pretty reasonable attendance zones, and the original claim was that Takoma Park enjoys some sort of outrageous advantage in its school zone and that just doesn't seem to hold up.

No one has claimed that it is the result of racial gerrymandering. However, the racial disparities have been highlighted and one of the purposes of the exercise was to identify such disparities such that they can hopefully be remedied.

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

It stems from Blair envy which is a common malady in some quarters.

Blair Envy isn't a thing, it is literally the cheapest school zone to buy in. Being the least undesirable in the DCC doesn't mean it isn't still seen as a consortium school by everybody else.

Right...because Takoma Park is so cheap, Downtown SS and close-in areas are so cheap.
Your envy is definitely showing.

You realize the most expensive homes in TP and Silver Spring for the most part only get to the entry price for starter homes IB for schools like Whitman. Most of TP is cheap and rundown which is very much on brand for the newer residents who pretend that TP is only the historic district and Carroll Ave when it has way more low-income areas like New Hampshire, Flower, University and most of Maple ave.

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

The report compared demographics of ES boundaries against adjacent ES boundaries. It found large disparities for TPES and PBES because both schools have a significant number of non-FARMS white students while bordering boundaries had significantly fewer. The outcome is a recommendation to affect a boundary change to facilitate better balancing of diversity between TPES/PBES and neighboring schools.

Please provide a citation from either the interim or final boundary analysis report to support your claims. I do not see where it says what you say above about Takoma Park schools. In fact, in the interim report, on page 225, there is a section on this topic which specifically names several different schools, none of which are in Takoma Park:

"Which Schools Are Most Socio-economically Dissimilar from their Nearest Schools?

Aside from Sligo Creek ES, the other elementary schools with the highest socioeconomic dissimilarity to their three nearest schools include Laytonsville ES (Damascus Cluster), Forest Knolls ES (Downcounty Consortium), Kemp Mill ES (Downcounty Consortium), and Strawberry Knoll ES (Gaithersburg cluster). Of these top five most dissimilar schools, three are a part of the Downcounty Consortium.

The most socio-economically dissimilar middle schools in the district from their nearest three schools are Neelsville MS (Clarksburg cluster), Kingsview MS (Northwest HS), Farquhar MS (Sherwood HS / Northeast Consortium), Hallie Wells MS (Clarksbug and Damascus HS), and Rosa M. Parks MS (Sherwood HS/Northeast Consortium).

The most socio-economically dissimilar high schools from their three nearest high schools are Sherwood HS, Poolesville HS, Damascus HS, Whitman HS, and Gaithersburg HS."

https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/publicinfo/Boundary_Analysis/interim-report/02c_Diversity.pdf

Within the DCC, you can clearly see Takoma Park ES has extremely different demographics from other adjacent ESs.

And across Cluster Boundaries, you can clearly see both Garrett Park and Kensington, who have significantly different demographics from the adjacent ES in the DCC.

But we don’t need the report to tell us what is obvious. Kensington goes mostly to BCC and Garrett Park goes to WJ to the west instead of going to more racially and socio-economically diverse schools to the east. And Takoma Park is the most white and affluent area within the DCC/Blair.

The report outcome is supposed to be used to reduce these discrepancies among adjacent boundaries.

The first image shows Sligo Creek and Joann Leleck in the darker orange and red. Sligo Creek's numbers are skewed by the French Immersion program.
TPES/PBES is in yellow, the same as neighboring ESS.

No, Kensington does not "mostly" go to BCC.

Garrett Park is likely going to be reassigned to Woodward when it opens.

I am not sure that you understand the chart. The reason that both TPES/PBES and ESS have the same % difference is because both of them are so different from each other. That is what is being measured. If TPES/PBES was closer in demographics to ESS then both would have a lower %.

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It is precisely the aggressive response as evidenced in this thread to the idea that Takoma Park, Kensington and Garrett Park were identified as being part of the problem vis-a-vis racial disparities is why the BOE dropped the issue so fast.

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Anonymous wrote:It is precisely the aggressive response as evidenced in this thread to the idea that Takoma Park, Kensington and Garrett Park were identified as being part of the problem vis-a-vis racial disparities is why the BOE dropped the issue so fast.

When you can't pound on the facts, pound on the table.

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

It stems from Blair envy which is a common malady in some quarters.

Blair Envy isn't a thing, it is literally the cheapest school zone to buy in. Being the least undesirable in the DCC doesn't mean it isn't still seen as a consortium school by everybody else.

Right...because Takoma Park is so cheap, Downtown SS and close-in areas are so cheap.
Your envy is definitely showing.

You realize the most expensive homes in TP and Silver Spring for the most part only get to the entry price for starter homes IB for schools like Whitman. Most of TP is cheap and rundown which is very much on brand for the newer residents who pretend that TP is only the historic district and Carroll Ave when it has way more low-income areas like New Hampshire, Flower, University and most of Maple ave.

Everyone realizes that Takoma Park is economically diverse. Some of us think that's a good thing.

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

It stems from Blair envy which is a common malady in some quarters.

Blair Envy isn't a thing, it is literally the cheapest school zone to buy in. Being the least undesirable in the DCC doesn't mean it isn't still seen as a consortium school by everybody else.

Right...because Takoma Park is so cheap, Downtown SS and close-in areas are so cheap.
Your envy is definitely showing.

You realize the most expensive homes in TP and Silver Spring for the most part only get to the entry price for starter homes IB for schools like Whitman. Most of TP is cheap and rundown which is very much on brand for the newer residents who pretend that TP is only the historic district and Carroll Ave when it has way more low-income areas like New Hampshire, Flower, University and most of Maple ave.

Everyone realizes that Takoma Park is economically diverse. Some of us think that's a good thing.

The TKPK schools my kids attended were almost evenly split across the 4 major demographic groups. It's a very diverse community but also similar in numbers to the the county itself.

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You realize the most expensive homes in TP and Silver Spring for the most part only get to the entry price for starter homes IB for schools like Whitman. Most of TP is cheap and rundown which is very much on brand for the newer residents who pretend that TP is only the historic district and Carroll Ave when it has way more low-income areas like New Hampshire, Flower, University and most of Maple ave.

Those awful rich, poor, privileged, nobodies who live in Takoma Park, how dare they.

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Anonymous wrote:It is precisely the aggressive response as evidenced in this thread to the idea that Takoma Park, Kensington and Garrett Park were identified as being part of the problem vis-a-vis racial disparities is why the BOE dropped the issue so fast.

The thing is that they weren't. The report has a list of the schools with the most disparities compared to their neighbors and those schools were not listed.

From the report: "Aside from Sligo Creek ES, the other elementary schools with the highest socioeconomic dissimilarity to their three nearest schools include Laytonsville ES (Damascus Cluster), Forest Knolls ES (Downcounty Consortium), Kemp Mill ES (Downcounty Consortium), and Strawberry Knoll ES (Gaithersburg cluster). Of these top five most dissimilar schools, three are a part of the Downcounty Consortium."

No one is disputing that TPES/PBES have a lower FARMS rate than neighboring schools. But that's not a matter for the boundary study because the "problem" isn't school boundaries - it is housing. Takoma Park has more SFHs than East Silver Spring or Langley Park, correlating to more wealth. That's not something the boundary study can rectify while maintaining the other factors.

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In any event, back to the topic, the report included a number of inconvenient facts about specific communities that both had the largest disparities and also have long been given exceptional treatment. These are the obvious neighborhoods of Garrett Park, Kensington and Takoma Park. The result is that after the report was released, the BOE announced that they will not be taking up any of the recommendations and decided to make it disappear.

I'm confused about the inclusion of Takoma Park on this list. TPES/PBES/TPMS are all walkable for large swathes of the community. Blair is the nearest HS, including for kids at the far reach of Takoma Park that couldn't necessarily walk to the ES or MS. What part of the Takoma Park school assignment do you find "exceptional treatment?"

It stems from Blair envy which is a common malady in some quarters.

Blair Envy isn't a thing, it is literally the cheapest school zone to buy in. Being the least undesirable in the DCC doesn't mean it isn't still seen as a consortium school by everybody else.

Right...because Takoma Park is so cheap, Downtown SS and close-in areas are so cheap.
Your envy is definitely showing.

You realize the most expensive homes in TP and Silver Spring for the most part only get to the entry price for starter homes IB for schools like Whitman. Most of TP is cheap and rundown which is very much on brand for the newer residents who pretend that TP is only the historic district and Carroll Ave when it has way more low-income areas like New Hampshire, Flower, University and most of Maple ave.

Everyone realizes that Takoma Park is economically diverse. Some of us think that's a good thing.

The TKPK schools my kids attended were almost evenly split across the 4 major demographic groups. It's a very diverse community but also similar in numbers to the the county itself.

And the schools that border Takoma Park schools have are predominantly minority with significantly less diversity and significantly higher FARMS rates.

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Anonymous wrote:It is precisely the aggressive response as evidenced in this thread to the idea that Takoma Park, Kensington and Garrett Park were identified as being part of the problem vis-a-vis racial disparities is why the BOE dropped the issue so fast.

The thing is that they weren't. The report has a list of the schools with the most disparities compared to their neighbors and those schools were not listed.

From the report: "Aside from Sligo Creek ES, the other elementary schools with the highest socioeconomic dissimilarity to their three nearest schools include Laytonsville ES (Damascus Cluster), Forest Knolls ES (Downcounty Consortium), Kemp Mill ES (Downcounty Consortium), and Strawberry Knoll ES (Gaithersburg cluster). Of these top five most dissimilar schools, three are a part of the Downcounty Consortium."

No one is disputing that TPES/PBES have a lower FARMS rate than neighboring schools. But that's not a matter for the boundary study because the "problem" isn't school boundaries - it is housing. Takoma Park has more SFHs than East Silver Spring or Langley Park, correlating to more wealth. That's not something the boundary study can rectify while maintaining the other factors.

+1. TPES/PBES, RTES, and ESS all have sensible neighborhood walk zones which would not be subject to rezoning anyway, so there would only be the possibility of a little wiggle room around the edges. As several PPs have already pointed out, the report specifically highlighted several other schools (none of which were in TKPK) as the most able to be made more socio-economically similar via new boundaries.