City Winery closing due to crime in Ivy City

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Lol bus. Have you heard of taxis?

News flash, ahole: Lots of successful people in DC ride the bus. Not having a serious bus line running up and down NY Ave NE is holding back Ivy City improvement. Why force people to shell out for taxis and ubers if you don't have to? Unless you're an a55hole.

[Anonymous]

It wasn't all bc of the crime
https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/583679/problems-at-city-winery-went-beyond-the-neighborhood/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It wasn't all bc of the crime
https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/583679/problems-at-city-winery-went-beyond-the-neighborhood/

Consider the source. Uber-woke WCP isn’t going to take the word of a wealthy white business owner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It wasn't all bc of the crime
https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/583679/problems-at-city-winery-went-beyond-the-neighborhood/

Consider the source. Uber-woke WCP isn’t going to take the word of a wealthy white business owner.

But over half of the article is direct quotes from a wealthy white business owner. What’s your concern about the source here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It wasn't all bc of the crime
https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/583679/problems-at-city-winery-went-beyond-the-neighborhood/

I read the article and there is no factual rebuttal to the club owners claims. It’s just a bunch of people, with barely a tangential relationship to the business and no insight into operations saying that it’s not true. How would they be in a position to know?

It’s two property owners with vested interests (Ivy Smokehouse and Douglas Development), followed by a bunch of non-profit people that have no idea how to run a business.

This is supposed to be convincing?

[Anonymous]

I have a lot of personal experience with the neighborhood and the men’s shelter. I had a business at Union Kitchen so I was in the alley that serves as a de facto waiting room for the shelter during the day all the time.

The shelter and the homeless men who hang out there are really more of a nuisance than a safety issue. The nuisances are:
1) trash, because they’re hanging there all day and the city doesn’t provide any extra trash cans. Plus they bring old chairs to sit in.
2) heckling, especially if you’re a woman. It sucks and it’s not all the men by any stretch, but it’s enough to be annoying and uncomfortable.
The reason they hang out there is that the shelter kicks them out in the morning and there’s some sort of line that forms in the afternoon.

I do think there are legitimate safety and crime concerns but they come much more from young people in the surrounding neighborhoods than from the men at the shelter imo. The fact that this business owner keeps harping on the shelter makes me think he’s not being honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a lot of personal experience with the neighborhood and the men’s shelter. I had a business at Union Kitchen so I was in the alley that serves as a de facto waiting room for the shelter during the day all the time.

The shelter and the homeless men who hang out there are really more of a nuisance than a safety issue. The nuisances are:
1) trash, because they’re hanging there all day and the city doesn’t provide any extra trash cans. Plus they bring old chairs to sit in.
2) heckling, especially if you’re a woman. It sucks and it’s not all the men by any stretch, but it’s enough to be annoying and uncomfortable.
The reason they hang out there is that the shelter kicks them out in the morning and there’s some sort of line that forms in the afternoon.

I do think there are legitimate safety and crime concerns but they come much more from young people in the surrounding neighborhoods than from the men at the shelter imo. The fact that this business owner keeps harping on the shelter makes me think he’s not being honest.

The heckling and catcalls from the men at the shelter drove customers away and prevented them from actually getting robbed and the sht kicked out of them by the real neighborhood troublemakers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It wasn't all bc of the crime
https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/583679/problems-at-city-winery-went-beyond-the-neighborhood/

The headline does not match the content of the story, which basically says that yeah, it was the crime.