City Winery closing due to crime in Ivy City

[Anonymous]

I love that whole area. This is sad news. Doesn’t have to be that way but our Mayor and Council refuse to address this.

[Anonymous]

Link? Or you heard this

[Anonymous]

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/city-winery-dc-relocating-due-to-crime-in-ivy-city.amp

I spent a lot of time in Ivy City at the beginning of its revitalization. The big problems are that there’s a men’s shelter that doesn’t let people in during the day, so the alley becomes a de facto day shelter/waiting room, which isn’t a problem on its own and is fairly self-policed but comes with some trash and other nuisance behavior. Then there is spillover crime from the neighborhood and Trinidad. Plus some muggings.

There was a recent shooting but it’s much more likely that City Winery is just not finding the location to be commercially viable and they’re using this as part of getting out of their lease or whatever. It doesn’t sound like the shooting involved them or customers or anything. Crime might be contributing to people not coming to their venue but I don’t think it’s a new phenomenon. They knew the crime situation when they moved in.

[Anonymous]

The perception is that it’s worse now for sure. Particular with staff leaving late. I used to nervously walk back to my car after being there but switched to the garage for parking and don’t go as often.

[jsteele]

Let's see what happens with EchoStage. Both of those venues have the same issue in that it seems a lot more scary in that area then it really is. However, for staff who have to leave after all the customers leave, it might really be that scary.

[Anonymous]

Why do DC's shelters kick their homeless out all day anyhow?

I could see having to clear rooms as you go to clean and maintain the shelter during the day but that doesn't require emptying the entire facility all day long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do DC's shelters kick their homeless out all day anyhow?

I could see having to clear rooms as you go to clean and maintain the shelter during the day but that doesn't require emptying the entire facility all day long.

Because they're temporary shelters. If they don't they become defacto housing which isn't what the city wants

[Anonymous]

The actual crime numbers there aren't that high. Not like Columbia heights or something.

[Anonymous]

I think it is a convenient excuse. Do the other restaurants right there have the same problems? Couldn't they increase security patrols?

Weird venue, strange name, mixed bag of bookings - and also a whole lot more places to see live music in DC than there once was. They say they will reopen in a new location but I doubt it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it is a convenient excuse. Do the other restaurants right there have the same problems? Couldn't they increase security patrols?

Weird venue, strange name, mixed bag of bookings - and also a whole lot more places to see live music in DC than there once was. They say they will reopen in a new location but I doubt it.

Completely agree. Do they really want us to believe that Ivy City is actually worse than it was 5 years ago when the venue opened? Please.

The problem with Ivy City is that it is a pain in the ass to get to for anyone who doesn't drive. Half of DC households don't own cars. There's no regular bus line going up NY Ave either, which is really sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.fox5dc.com/news/city-winery-dc-relocating-due-to-crime-in-ivy-city.amp

I spent a lot of time in Ivy City at the beginning of its revitalization. The big problems are that there’s a men’s shelter that doesn’t let people in during the day, so the alley becomes a de facto day shelter/waiting room, which isn’t a problem on its own and is fairly self-policed but comes with some trash and other nuisance behavior. Then there is spillover crime from the neighborhood and Trinidad. Plus some muggings.

There was a recent shooting but it’s much more likely that City Winery is just not finding the location to be commercially viable and they’re using this as part of getting out of their lease or whatever. It doesn’t sound like the shooting involved them or customers or anything. Crime might be contributing to people not coming to their venue but I don’t think it’s a new phenomenon. They knew the crime situation when they moved in.

what is your rationale for stating that City Winery is using “crime” as a pretext for terminating their lease? do you have direct knowledge of their lease covenants? is the perception of “crime” by a the lessee a common exception provided in commercial lease agreements that allows for unilateral termination?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it is a convenient excuse. Do the other restaurants right there have the same problems? Couldn't they increase security patrols?

Weird venue, strange name, mixed bag of bookings - and also a whole lot more places to see live music in DC than there once was. They say they will reopen in a new location but I doubt it.

Completely agree. Do they really want us to believe that Ivy City is actually worse than it was 5 years ago when the venue opened? Please.

The problem with Ivy City is that it is a pain in the ass to get to for anyone who doesn't drive. Half of DC households don't own cars. There's no regular bus line going up NY Ave either, which is really sad.

This is hilarious. There is a thing called Uber after all. The actual problem is that there is no parking.

[Anonymous]

In nbc news 4 12/16 article

“According to D.C. police data, in the half-mile radius surrounding City Winery in Ivy City overall crime is up 16% in 2022. Property crime rose by 14% and violent crime by 38% compared to last year.

Police described the majority of the violent crimes as assault with a dangerous weapon, like shootings, stabbings and armed fights.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do DC's shelters kick their homeless out all day anyhow?

I could see having to clear rooms as you go to clean and maintain the shelter during the day but that doesn't require emptying the entire facility all day long.

Because they're temporary shelters. If they don't they become defacto housing which isn't what the city wants

Instead every library, playground and coffee shop in the city has become de facto housing! Great job DC!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do DC's shelters kick their homeless out all day anyhow?

I could see having to clear rooms as you go to clean and maintain the shelter during the day but that doesn't require emptying the entire facility all day long.

Because they're temporary shelters. If they don't they become defacto housing which isn't what the city wants

Instead every library, playground and coffee shop in the city has become de facto housing! Great job DC!

Just wait until they start the free bus service. Mobile shelters!