How do Christians handle suicide of family member

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes
What does religion have to do with it
You will grieve the same way you do any death

Nobody believes the catholic doctrine, but a catholic priest can refuse to do the funeral if he knows the person died from suicide

Oh yes they do.

I literally just heard two women from Good Counsel & Georgetown Prep discussing this exact thing. And honestly, their discussion made me sick to my stomach.

Well, they are wrong. This has not been Catholic teaching for decades now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here-I'm not sure why this thread has focused on the Catholic approach to suicide, my friend and her family are not Catholic. My question really had to do with whether Christians typically find comfort in their faith when a family member commits suicide, especially as in this case when it is a teenager.

Well, people often make incorrect statements about Catholicism on threads about Christianity, and it matters, so those misstatements are corrected. It seems to be one of the religions that gets the most false or outdated information spread on this site.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are either a troll making this story up, or not really friends of the family. Friends of the family (grandmother is a “good” friend) would have known about the grandson being transgender.

This thread reads like a failed attack on Christianity for sending suicidal people to “hell,” and once op realizes that’s not how Christianity treats people who commit suicide anymore, they switch the story to the suicide was over the Christian parents and church bullying a teenager to suicide.

Report this poster as a troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

If op isn’t a troll, which I think she is…what kind of “good friend” analyzes the faith of a grieving grandparent, and then blames the freakin’ parents for the suicide of their own child without knowing all the details? That’s terrible! If this child existed and was trying to live as a female, op, once she knew, totally misgendered the child while blaming the parents and church for not accepting the child’s gender identity. What a cruel person you are op.

Report OP as a troll

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are either a troll making this story up, or not really friends of the family. Friends of the family (grandmother is a “good” friend) would have known about the grandson being transgender.

This thread reads like a failed attack on Christianity for sending suicidal people to “hell,” and once op realizes that’s not how Christianity treats people who commit suicide anymore, they switch the story to the suicide was over the Christian parents and church bullying a teenager to suicide.

Report this poster as a troll

Sorry, report OP. Not you!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully better now than 30 years ago.

When I grew up Catholic, I was taught that suicide was a sin. When I lost a friend to suicide, I believed it, and it was so painful.

I think today, we know so much more about mental health. We know the person didn't mean to hurt those of us on earth ... they just saw no end to their pain.

I hope your friend would seek out some good counseling, Christian or not.

Catholics are taught it is a mortal sin. https://uscatholic.org/articles/201410/is-suicide-a-sin/. Most Christians do not believe that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hopefully better now than 30 years ago.

When I grew up Catholic, I was taught that suicide was a sin. When I lost a friend to suicide, I believed it, and it was so painful.

I think today, we know so much more about mental health. We know the person didn't mean to hurt those of us on earth ... they just saw no end to their pain.

I hope your friend would seek out some good counseling, Christian or not.

Catholics are taught it is a mortal sin. https://uscatholic.org/articles/201410/is-suicide-a-sin/. Most Christians do not believe that.

Weird, you missed this quote, and many others like it, from your own article.

“A person who “willfully and knowingly” chooses suicide would still be considered to be in a state of mortal sin. The church acknowledges, however, that most people who die by suicide suffer from mental illness and are thus incapable of making a clear, rational decision. This was first reflected in 1992 when John Paul II approved the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which clearly articulated this position for the first time.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

[Anonymous]

It’s a sin and is brushed under the rug and not spoken of to preserve the rest of the family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a sin and is brushed under the rug and not spoken of to preserve the rest of the family.

BS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

You may have seen there are several trolls pretending to be people of faith and saying outrageous things. But glad to know you’re on the patrol for “vicious” posters and I’m sure you’ll start jumping in on the many daily vicious attacks on people of faith.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here-On a positive note it appears my friend is doing relatively well, better than I thought she would at first, although it is quite a rough road she is on. I agree with those who say she will likely never fully recover.

On the other hand, I just found out that the grandson had been struggling with his gender identity and was attempting to live as a female, something I had not known. I fear that his extremely evangelical parents and church family made this very difficult for him and that is likely at least partly why he decided to end his life. I do not know the details. It's really hard for me to imagine how his family's Christian faith is helping them under these circumstances, although I hope it is. I think my friend, his grandmother, is probably handling it better than his parents are.

You are really disgusting. As you said, you DO NOT KNOW THE DETAILS. So STFU.

OP here-Thanks for expressing your Christian viewpoint. Sorry whatever I said triggered you past the point of decent discourse.

I am not a troll and none of this is made up, unfortunately. I appreciate those who gave me some replies that have been helpful and for those who so easily lose their composure and lash out, yikes! Glad I don't know you IRL.

DP. OP, pp lost it, yes, and I too am not convinced you’re not a troll.

Whatever the case, though, it’s too bad you haven’t listened to any of the comments about judging people when you have so few facts.

OP here-I've known this family since before this kid was born. I know how they live their lives. I also know more than I am saying on DCUM. that's related to protecting anonymity. Perhaps I am being too judgmental but no more than some of the nasty, vicious commenters are being judgmental about me without knowing all the facts either.

But you didn’t know the grandchild was transgender, and you only viewed your friend’s pain in context of her faith not helping her, and blamed the parents and church for the child’s death without any reason or evidence given. If that’s how you act as a family friend, you need to reflect on what a friend is.

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