Quiet Quitting (not going above and beyond at work)

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Anonymous wrote:No pride in yourselves. Do your job to the best of your ability, so you can be proud of your accomplishments. So many lazy people these days, it's no wonder this country is about to fall apart. Allowing yourselves to be locked down, becoming apathetic and fearful and easily controlled.... that's how you become enslaved. Everyone needs to grow up and stop whining and being offended, and get out there and work, and stop thinking that the government has your best interests at heart. Absolute power is in their best interest, not yours.

LOL so the people who allow themselves to be enslaved by their jobs are the ones who are free? Got it, very 1984.

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The WSJ story was posted on Linkedin + then The Today Show picked it up. Instead of quiet qitting, some called it casual coasting.

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Anonymous wrote:As a mid-level manager, putting in only what is required is probably the only way that any kind of lack of resources is going to get addressed. I’m surrounded by stressed out people, and it just isn’t healthy or sustainable. And when upper-level management thinks nothing of taking weeks to get back to us, why should I strive for better and better?

Absolutely could not agree more.

My DH was at this last company for 10 years. 60% of his team left during the pandemic and DH absorbed ALL of that extra work. For 14 months straight he worked 7am-6pm, came home for dinner and bedtime with the kids and then worked 8pm-2am. Plus most Saturday and Sunday nights. He fell into a horrible depression, was diagnosed with stress reactive disorder, had the be medicated. I finally said either you leave the job or I'm leaving you. He's been at his new job 6 months and anytime he goes to work after hours I remind him of my ultimatum. I wouldn't actually leave him, but he turned into an absolute shell of a human with ZERO recognition from the company, no raise, nothing. They had to see the timestamps on his emails every day- midnight, 1am, 2am, 6:45am. When he put in his two weeks. the VP literally said "dammit DH now I have to hire 3 or 4 people to replace your output".

PP nailed it. My DH gave me the same ultimatum. I just broke at one point and the threat was needed to realize something was wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:The voluntarily mommy tracked among us are laughing. Welcome to the club.

I actually think mommy track is the opposite, over qualified women take jobs below them for flexibility and low stress because they can do the job with their eyes closed and one hand tied.

They are actually over competent.

I agree this is what I have always considered “mommy tracked”. A job I don’t stress about and can do while also making kid doctor appointments jk

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Anonymous wrote:The voluntarily mommy tracked among us are laughing. Welcome to the club.

I can't stand that term, "mommy tracked." There's no such thing, just say you stepped back in your career. That's what it is.

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Anonymous wrote:The voluntarily mommy tracked among us are laughing. Welcome to the club.

I can't stand that term, "mommy tracked." There's no such thing, just say you stepped back in your career. That's what it is.

I hate the phrase, too, as someone who didn’t mommy track but sees nothing wrong with it. Let’s just not associate it exclusively with women.

[Anonymous]

My employer gave us all a two percent one time payment this year to help with inflation. In other words, a real wage decrease compared to the economy. Guess what? Your salary now purchased less of my labor than it did last year. I have heard the expression “acting my wage.” If you want more work, pay more money. I can’t demand to be allowed to pay last years prices at the grocery store and to demand they give me the same amount of groceries as last year. It’s the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The WSJ story was posted on Linkedin + then The Today Show picked it up. Instead of quiet qitting, some called it casual coasting.

I like the term casual coasting. I could give more to my job but I don't. I'm still am rated well and are paid well (especially given the effort I put out). If I gave my job 100% I'm pretty sure I would just have more work/responsibility/stress while getting paid the same amount. I work to live not live to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most of the world isn't Type A

I'm Type A. I used to give it my all. Always got great performance reviews; rasies... One year in my late 20s, I got a 34% pay raise because they were desperate to not lose me.

I'm now 52, and I'm ready to retire. I can't keep it up. I have a hard time mentally with not giving it my all because of my Type A personality, so it makes me unhappy with myself, but at the same time, I'm too dam! tired.

I feel like Type A people probably go to an earlier grave with all the mental stress they put on themselves.

I will say, though, that in the past few months, I have not been giving it my all, and I'm still considered a valued contributor.

I'm retiring early. I can't deal with this sh1t any longer. I went on vacation for two weeks, and it was not enough. I did not want to come back, and I love traveling. So this is what we are going to do as soon as the youngest leaves for college in a few years.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, it’s a better expression than “ lean in” or “lean out” which is all I was hearing pre pandemic.

I like the term quite quitting, and, I agree it’s not passive aggressive. The balance of power is so skewed against the worker, it’s just allowing them the mental power to set up work/life boundaries and to care less about work.

I have learned from the pandemic that I have to be mentally ready to quit or leave my employer at any time, even if I thought things world stay the same for many years. I should give less to them, because they will definitely give less to me, in a heartbeat.

But it's a negative term. Quiet implies the employee who isn't breaking their backs for the employer is being passive aggressive and quitting is negative - it implies they just gave up.

Why can't it be framed as, people have woken up and decided a job is a job, they give their best effort within reason but aren't willing to sacrifice their health and sanity to work tons of extra hours for no extra pay or recognition.

Boomers and GenX watch the Today show. They are shocked that the younger generations refuse to develop work stress related ulcers or heart palpitations.

Gen X has LIVED this for the start. We shook our heads at the millennials, especially those in tech, who wanted to live at the office. When Gen X hit the workforce, there were a few places where the office looked like a clubhouse, but that whole eat-sleep-breath the office thing came about during the millennials' time.

I don’t know. Those Millenials in tech make $1Ms, I would go above and beyond and live at work for that! And it’s not even as awful or cut throat as BigLaw or Finance

As someone who worked for a FAANG, trust me, the vast majority of these workers aren't making *that* much, and you also forget that those cities that those companies are located in are by and large very expensive cities.

$200K in SV is like $80k in most places in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, it’s a better expression than “ lean in” or “lean out” which is all I was hearing pre pandemic.

I like the term quite quitting, and, I agree it’s not passive aggressive. The balance of power is so skewed against the worker, it’s just allowing them the mental power to set up work/life boundaries and to care less about work.

I have learned from the pandemic that I have to be mentally ready to quit or leave my employer at any time, even if I thought things world stay the same for many years. I should give less to them, because they will definitely give less to me, in a heartbeat.

But it's a negative term. Quiet implies the employee who isn't breaking their backs for the employer is being passive aggressive and quitting is negative - it implies they just gave up.

Why can't it be framed as, people have woken up and decided a job is a job, they give their best effort within reason but aren't willing to sacrifice their health and sanity to work tons of extra hours for no extra pay or recognition.

Boomers and GenX watch the Today show. They are shocked that the younger generations refuse to develop work stress related ulcers or heart palpitations.

Gen X has LIVED this for the start. We shook our heads at the millennials, especially those in tech, who wanted to live at the office. When Gen X hit the workforce, there were a few places where the office looked like a clubhouse, but that whole eat-sleep-breath the office thing came about during the millennials' time.

I don’t know. Those Millenials in tech make $1Ms, I would go above and beyond and live at work for that! And it’s not even as awful or cut throat as BigLaw or Finance

As someone who worked for a FAANG, trust me, the vast majority of these workers aren't making *that* much, and you also forget that those cities that those companies are located in are by and large very expensive cities.

$200K in SV is like $80k in most places in this country.

Cry me a river. Most of your salary gets poured into real estate “costs” which explode into even more wealth. It’s not like your biggest expense is coffee or something.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, it’s a better expression than “ lean in” or “lean out” which is all I was hearing pre pandemic.

I like the term quite quitting, and, I agree it’s not passive aggressive. The balance of power is so skewed against the worker, it’s just allowing them the mental power to set up work/life boundaries and to care less about work.

I have learned from the pandemic that I have to be mentally ready to quit or leave my employer at any time, even if I thought things world stay the same for many years. I should give less to them, because they will definitely give less to me, in a heartbeat.

But it's a negative term. Quiet implies the employee who isn't breaking their backs for the employer is being passive aggressive and quitting is negative - it implies they just gave up.

Why can't it be framed as, people have woken up and decided a job is a job, they give their best effort within reason but aren't willing to sacrifice their health and sanity to work tons of extra hours for no extra pay or recognition.

Boomers and GenX watch the Today show. They are shocked that the younger generations refuse to develop work stress related ulcers or heart palpitations.

Gen X has LIVED this for the start. We shook our heads at the millennials, especially those in tech, who wanted to live at the office. When Gen X hit the workforce, there were a few places where the office looked like a clubhouse, but that whole eat-sleep-breath the office thing came about during the millennials' time.

I don’t know. Those Millenials in tech make $1Ms, I would go above and beyond and live at work for that! And it’s not even as awful or cut throat as BigLaw or Finance

As someone who worked for a FAANG, trust me, the vast majority of these workers aren't making *that* much, and you also forget that those cities that those companies are located in are by and large very expensive cities.

$200K in SV is like $80k in most places in this country.

Cry me a river. Most of your salary gets poured into real estate “costs” which explode into even more wealth. It’s not like your biggest expense is coffee or something.

DP - most of those tech workers were renting. So no they aren’t exploding with wealth, they lose every dime they put in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a mid-level manager, putting in only what is required is probably the only way that any kind of lack of resources is going to get addressed. I’m surrounded by stressed out people, and it just isn’t healthy or sustainable. And when upper-level management thinks nothing of taking weeks to get back to us, why should I strive for better and better?

I agree with this 200%.

If you jump their hoops, they just add more for the next time. It's gotten to a point where it's ridiculous

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Anonymous wrote:As a mid-level manager, putting in only what is required is probably the only way that any kind of lack of resources is going to get addressed. I’m surrounded by stressed out people, and it just isn’t healthy or sustainable. And when upper-level management thinks nothing of taking weeks to get back to us, why should I strive for better and better?

I agree with this 200%.

If you jump their hoops, they just add more for the next time. It's gotten to a point where it's ridiculous

Right? I’m all for quiet quitting. It’s ridiculous doing your friggin job is called quiet quitting though. Like not doing extra equals quitting.

Pieces of flair man….

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, it’s a better expression than “ lean in” or “lean out” which is all I was hearing pre pandemic.

I like the term quite quitting, and, I agree it’s not passive aggressive. The balance of power is so skewed against the worker, it’s just allowing them the mental power to set up work/life boundaries and to care less about work.

I have learned from the pandemic that I have to be mentally ready to quit or leave my employer at any time, even if I thought things world stay the same for many years. I should give less to them, because they will definitely give less to me, in a heartbeat.

But it's a negative term. Quiet implies the employee who isn't breaking their backs for the employer is being passive aggressive and quitting is negative - it implies they just gave up.

Why can't it be framed as, people have woken up and decided a job is a job, they give their best effort within reason but aren't willing to sacrifice their health and sanity to work tons of extra hours for no extra pay or recognition.

Boomers and GenX watch the Today show. They are shocked that the younger generations refuse to develop work stress related ulcers or heart palpitations.

Gen X has LIVED this for the start. We shook our heads at the millennials, especially those in tech, who wanted to live at the office. When Gen X hit the workforce, there were a few places where the office looked like a clubhouse, but that whole eat-sleep-breath the office thing came about during the millennials' time.

I don’t know. Those Millenials in tech make $1Ms, I would go above and beyond and live at work for that! And it’s not even as awful or cut throat as BigLaw or Finance

As someone who worked for a FAANG, trust me, the vast majority of these workers aren't making *that* much, and you also forget that those cities that those companies are located in are by and large very expensive cities.

$200K in SV is like $80k in most places in this country.

Really? The folks I know at FAANG (in stuff like sales) are always bragging about how much they make. I assumed they all a golden ticket of earning $400k+ with a bachelors degree.