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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

Sure. See my comment above. That police officer was charged. I don't know what else you would expect MCPD to do. MCPD disciplined that officer in 2019, long before the current call for police reform. So it seems to me that this is actually an example of what MCPD is doing well.

I'm a teacher. I once worked with another teacher who sexually assaulted a student. Nobody came after ME, suggesting that all teachers are child molesters. The same logic applies here. This officer performed in a despicable manner. He doesn't represent all officers.

How about if many more teachers are found to be sexually assaulting students -- would you still shrug h your shoulders and say, well I'm not doing that? We need reform. Face it. The sentiment is sweeping the country.

Excellent question! It's plausible that more teachers sexually assault students than police officers assault citizens, upwards of 10% (https://www.nais.org/media/Nais/Articles/Documents/Prevention-and-Response-Task-Force-Report-2018.pdf). In the case I references above, I did take it to administration. Therefore, I most certainly didn't shrug my shoulders and say "I'm not doing that." If we take a truly critical look at society's problems, we'll see that we are making police officers the scapegoat. Society has A LOT of problems: education, health care, housing. For some reason, we're wiling to overlook some issues, like sexual assault in schools, but we'll fall all over ourselves to teach police a lesson.

We agree that there are problems to be addressed. Let's make sure we'll looking at them equally and logically. I'll admit I don't expect that on DCUM, but I certainly expect that of my elected officials.

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

Sure. See my comment above. That police officer was charged. I don't know what else you would expect MCPD to do. MCPD disciplined that officer in 2019, long before the current call for police reform. So it seems to me that this is actually an example of what MCPD is doing well.

I'm a teacher. I once worked with another teacher who sexually assaulted a student. Nobody came after ME, suggesting that all teachers are child molesters. The same logic applies here. This officer performed in a despicable manner. He doesn't represent all officers.

How about if many more teachers are found to be sexually assaulting students -- would you still shrug h your shoulders and say, well I'm not doing that? We need reform. Face it. The sentiment is sweeping the country.

You don’t actually interact with Montgomery County police officers regularly, do you?

I suspect instead that you read aggregated national stories of the worst abuses in places notorious for misconduct, like Grand Rapids and project that onto the police here. I can personally assure you that as a person of color, I am quite happy in feeling that I have nothing to fear from Montgomery County police.

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

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The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

I think we differ on the level of basic decency. I expect more of the police than you and some on this thread do. We can do better. And we will, without your help.

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

I think we differ on the level of basic decency. I expect more of the police than you and some on this thread do. We can do better. And we will, without your help.

This has now crossed the line into ridiculousness. You won’t accept AT ALL what is already working well. I refuse to take part in “all police are bad”-inspired chaos. We have a good department. When things go wrong, they address it. Period. All data supports this view and not yours. Since this thread is about our new council, I’ll leave it at this: many candidates who just won the Democratic primary (and therefore the election) seem logical. They, hopefully, will be able to keep anti-police hysteria at bay.

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

I think we differ on the level of basic decency. I expect more of the police than you and some on this thread do. We can do better. And we will, without your help.

This has now crossed the line into ridiculousness. You won’t accept AT ALL what is already working well. I refuse to take part in “all police are bad”-inspired chaos. We have a good department. When things go wrong, they address it. Period. All data supports this view and not yours. Since this thread is about our new council, I’ll leave it at this: many candidates who just won the Democratic primary (and therefore the election) seem logical. They, hopefully, will be able to keep anti-police hysteria at bay.

I don't see any anti-police hysteria on this thread. The only hysteria is coming from your side. You see "police reform" and your brain reads, "I LOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS!!!" Then you think, "AGH!! MOVE AWAY TO SOMEWHERE MORE RIGHT WING!" even though the most right wing of them all -- Trump -- proved he couldn't care less about the police. He just used them to get people like you into a froth, then turned his back on them while they were being ruthlessly attacked by his supporters.

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

I think we differ on the level of basic decency. I expect more of the police than you and some on this thread do. We can do better. And we will, without your help.

This has now crossed the line into ridiculousness. You won’t accept AT ALL what is already working well. I refuse to take part in “all police are bad”-inspired chaos. We have a good department. When things go wrong, they address it. Period. All data supports this view and not yours. Since this thread is about our new council, I’ll leave it at this: many candidates who just won the Democratic primary (and therefore the election) seem logical. They, hopefully, will be able to keep anti-police hysteria at bay.

I don't see any anti-police hysteria on this thread. The only hysteria is coming from your side. You see "police reform" and your brain reads, "I LOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS!!!" Then you think, "AGH!! MOVE AWAY TO SOMEWHERE MORE RIGHT WING!" even though the most right wing of them all -- Trump -- proved he couldn't care less about the police. He just used them to get people like you into a froth, then turned his back on them while they were being ruthlessly attacked by his supporters.

Nope. That wasn’t me. As far as I can tell, there are at least 3 different posters who have tried to discuss the merits of MCPD.

I don’t think “move.” I’m not right wing. It might surprise you, but liberals do want to support the police. We don’t see “reform” as a bad word. What we do despise is having to defend police using facts and statistics which are subsequently ignored by people who would rather scream “I saw a police officer do something bad on YouTube and now I know the whole system needs to be disbanded.”

You want froth? I am the poster above who said my husband, an officer, has saved several lives but taken none. He had performed his job honorably for years. Please tell me why he has earned your disdain and your calls for reform. You say we can “do better.” You don’t know him, his record, or his awards, yet you have lumped him in with a “culture of policing that is all f’ed up.” I tend to lose respect when people throw insults at a man who has done so much for this community. Ironically, he’s a good man who won’t waste his time defending himself on DCUM. He’ll just go to work and perform honorably tomorrow.

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

I think we differ on the level of basic decency. I expect more of the police than you and some on this thread do. We can do better. And we will, without your help.

This has now crossed the line into ridiculousness. You won’t accept AT ALL what is already working well. I refuse to take part in “all police are bad”-inspired chaos. We have a good department. When things go wrong, they address it. Period. All data supports this view and not yours. Since this thread is about our new council, I’ll leave it at this: many candidates who just won the Democratic primary (and therefore the election) seem logical. They, hopefully, will be able to keep anti-police hysteria at bay.

I don't see any anti-police hysteria on this thread. The only hysteria is coming from your side. You see "police reform" and your brain reads, "I LOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS!!!" Then you think, "AGH!! MOVE AWAY TO SOMEWHERE MORE RIGHT WING!" even though the most right wing of them all -- Trump -- proved he couldn't care less about the police. He just used them to get people like you into a froth, then turned his back on them while they were being ruthlessly attacked by his supporters.

Nope. That wasn’t me. As far as I can tell, there are at least 3 different posters who have tried to discuss the merits of MCPD.

I don’t think “move.” I’m not right wing. It might surprise you, but liberals do want to support the police. We don’t see “reform” as a bad word. What we do despise is having to defend police using facts and statistics which are subsequently ignored by people who would rather scream “I saw a police officer do something bad on YouTube and now I know the whole system needs to be disbanded.”

You want froth? I am the poster above who said my husband, an officer, has saved several lives but taken none. He had performed his job honorably for years. Please tell me why he has earned your disdain and your calls for reform. You say we can “do better.” You don’t know him, his record, or his awards, yet you have lumped him in with a “culture of policing that is all f’ed up.” I tend to lose respect when people throw insults at a man who has done so much for this community. Ironically, he’s a good man who won’t waste his time defending himself on DCUM. He’ll just go to work and perform honorably tomorrow.

Different poster. It's not worth the battle. It's easier to sit with their bias than try to really understand an issue. And that's really the crux of the Council problems. If they don't understand the real issues, they will never be able to make improvements.

I've been around policing over 30 years, mostly Baltimore City, and can attest that policing as a profession has significantly improved since Rodney King, and that with 18,000 police departments in the nation, all subject to different state and local laws, different training standards, different budget challenges, different collective bargaining agreements, etc., there is no one "police culture." The police of a CALEA accredited department like MCPD are far different from the police of a DOJ consent decree department like New Orleans, where cops are out robbing people at gunpoint while they are on duty. And killing their fellow officers.

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

I think we differ on the level of basic decency. I expect more of the police than you and some on this thread do. We can do better. And we will, without your help.

This has now crossed the line into ridiculousness. You won’t accept AT ALL what is already working well. I refuse to take part in “all police are bad”-inspired chaos. We have a good department. When things go wrong, they address it. Period. All data supports this view and not yours. Since this thread is about our new council, I’ll leave it at this: many candidates who just won the Democratic primary (and therefore the election) seem logical. They, hopefully, will be able to keep anti-police hysteria at bay.

I don't see any anti-police hysteria on this thread. The only hysteria is coming from your side. You see "police reform" and your brain reads, "I LOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS!!!" Then you think, "AGH!! MOVE AWAY TO SOMEWHERE MORE RIGHT WING!" even though the most right wing of them all -- Trump -- proved he couldn't care less about the police. He just used them to get people like you into a froth, then turned his back on them while they were being ruthlessly attacked by his supporters.

Nope. That wasn’t me. As far as I can tell, there are at least 3 different posters who have tried to discuss the merits of MCPD.

I don’t think “move.” I’m not right wing. It might surprise you, but liberals do want to support the police. We don’t see “reform” as a bad word. What we do despise is having to defend police using facts and statistics which are subsequently ignored by people who would rather scream “I saw a police officer do something bad on YouTube and now I know the whole system needs to be disbanded.”

You want froth? I am the poster above who said my husband, an officer, has saved several lives but taken none. He had performed his job honorably for years. Please tell me why he has earned your disdain and your calls for reform. You say we can “do better.” You don’t know him, his record, or his awards, yet you have lumped him in with a “culture of policing that is all f’ed up.” I tend to lose respect when people throw insults at a man who has done so much for this community. Ironically, he’s a good man who won’t waste his time defending himself on DCUM. He’ll just go to work and perform honorably tomorrow.

Different poster. It's not worth the battle. It's easier to sit with their bias than try to really understand an issue. And that's really the crux of the Council problems. If they don't understand the real issues, they will never be able to make improvements.

I've been around policing over 30 years, mostly Baltimore City, and can attest that policing as a profession has significantly improved since Rodney King, and that with 18,000 police departments in the nation, all subject to different state and local laws, different training standards, different budget challenges, different collective bargaining agreements, etc., there is no one "police culture." The police of a CALEA accredited department like MCPD are far different from the police of a DOJ consent decree department like New Orleans, where cops are out robbing people at gunpoint while they are on duty. And killing their fellow officers.

Thank you, and excellent points.
I do hope the new council members make that effort to understand this department and find ways to work in unison.

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The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

Your insane if you think we don’t need police reform.

Yes I know cops, and Sheriffs, and judges, and states attorneys… we need sweeping reform,

You go in a real ride along. Sit in court for a week. Check out all the white make rapist getting off and black kids with a smidge of pot going to jail because they don’t have $250 for bail.

See how many resources are used for a missing white chick vs a POC.

You really have your head in the sand.

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The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

I think we differ on the level of basic decency. I expect more of the police than you and some on this thread do. We can do better. And we will, without your help.

This has now crossed the line into ridiculousness. You won’t accept AT ALL what is already working well. I refuse to take part in “all police are bad”-inspired chaos. We have a good department. When things go wrong, they address it. Period. All data supports this view and not yours. Since this thread is about our new council, I’ll leave it at this: many candidates who just won the Democratic primary (and therefore the election) seem logical. They, hopefully, will be able to keep anti-police hysteria at bay.

I don't see any anti-police hysteria on this thread. The only hysteria is coming from your side. You see "police reform" and your brain reads, "I LOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS!!!" Then you think, "AGH!! MOVE AWAY TO SOMEWHERE MORE RIGHT WING!" even though the most right wing of them all -- Trump -- proved he couldn't care less about the police. He just used them to get people like you into a froth, then turned his back on them while they were being ruthlessly attacked by his supporters.

Nope. That wasn’t me. As far as I can tell, there are at least 3 different posters who have tried to discuss the merits of MCPD.

I don’t think “move.” I’m not right wing. It might surprise you, but liberals do want to support the police. We don’t see “reform” as a bad word. What we do despise is having to defend police using facts and statistics which are subsequently ignored by people who would rather scream “I saw a police officer do something bad on YouTube and now I know the whole system needs to be disbanded.”

You want froth? I am the poster above who said my husband, an officer, has saved several lives but taken none. He had performed his job honorably for years. Please tell me why he has earned your disdain and your calls for reform. You say we can “do better.” You don’t know him, his record, or his awards, yet you have lumped him in with a “culture of policing that is all f’ed up.” I tend to lose respect when people throw insults at a man who has done so much for this community. Ironically, he’s a good man who won’t waste his time defending himself on DCUM. He’ll just go to work and perform honorably tomorrow.

How many cops has he turned in for bad behavior?

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Anonymous wrote:The best hope is opposing blocks that result in something like this.

The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

I think we differ on the level of basic decency. I expect more of the police than you and some on this thread do. We can do better. And we will, without your help.

This has now crossed the line into ridiculousness. You won’t accept AT ALL what is already working well. I refuse to take part in “all police are bad”-inspired chaos. We have a good department. When things go wrong, they address it. Period. All data supports this view and not yours. Since this thread is about our new council, I’ll leave it at this: many candidates who just won the Democratic primary (and therefore the election) seem logical. They, hopefully, will be able to keep anti-police hysteria at bay.

I don't see any anti-police hysteria on this thread. The only hysteria is coming from your side. You see "police reform" and your brain reads, "I LOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS!!!" Then you think, "AGH!! MOVE AWAY TO SOMEWHERE MORE RIGHT WING!" even though the most right wing of them all -- Trump -- proved he couldn't care less about the police. He just used them to get people like you into a froth, then turned his back on them while they were being ruthlessly attacked by his supporters.

Nope. That wasn’t me. As far as I can tell, there are at least 3 different posters who have tried to discuss the merits of MCPD.

I don’t think “move.” I’m not right wing. It might surprise you, but liberals do want to support the police. We don’t see “reform” as a bad word. What we do despise is having to defend police using facts and statistics which are subsequently ignored by people who would rather scream “I saw a police officer do something bad on YouTube and now I know the whole system needs to be disbanded.”

You want froth? I am the poster above who said my husband, an officer, has saved several lives but taken none. He had performed his job honorably for years. Please tell me why he has earned your disdain and your calls for reform. You say we can “do better.” You don’t know him, his record, or his awards, yet you have lumped him in with a “culture of policing that is all f’ed up.” I tend to lose respect when people throw insults at a man who has done so much for this community. Ironically, he’s a good man who won’t waste his time defending himself on DCUM. He’ll just go to work and perform honorably tomorrow.

How many cops has he turned in for bad behavior?

I think we have had this exchange before on a different thread. It disintegrated into personal attacks and intentionally misconstrued words. I will not be responding again.

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The “reasonable block”:
- Balcombe
- Sayles
- Katz
- Friedson
- Albornoz

The “worrying block”:
- Stewart
- Mink
- Jawando
- Fani Gonzalez
- Glass

The “tie breaker”:
- Luedtke

I’m definitely concerned about the “worrying block.” Kate Stewart’s website says she wants to work to fully implement the Reimagining Public Safety Task Force recommendations. The police are already so short-staffed, and that report calls for further reductions. Specifically, a 50% reduction in force is suggested for Wheaton and Silver Spring, two districts experiencing an increase in crime. I know she’ll have support on this council, so I worry about how this will affect people living in those districts AND how it will affect remaining officers.

Sounds like a disaster.

yea, let's reduce the police force in high crime areas. That'll teach those criminals. Or maybe progressives think that the criminals will feel less threatened so they'll be less likely to commit a crime? I honestly don't understand how their mind works.

I'll explain. I don't want to live in a police state. Society can't be run by police. We need to improve society to take care of the problems causing all this crime. We can't just continue pumping out criminals and pumping out police. That's not a decent, intelligent, thought-out solution, and not the kind of society I want to live in. Also not the kind of society we used to have. Police are not the answer.

Where do police fit in? We can provide better mental health services, improve k-12 education, increase access to health care, work toward more affordable housing… we can do all of this, and there will still be crime. It’s very naive to assume otherwise. What then? Who responds? You say police aren’t the answer, but be logical. Sometimes they are the ONLY answer. I assume you live somewhere with low crime. I don’t. I feel better with police in my neighborhood. I’m well aware many of my neighbors do, as well. Supporting police is not equal to calling for a police state. (Who is actually calling for that anyway? That’s simply hyperbole. We just want elected officials to work WITH police instead of making the job so undesirable that we can’t even hire any, which is where we are.)

We need police who work WITH the community, too. The police are bizarre -- they're like a military force. I do live in a relatively safe neighborhood, and I used to call the police when I saw issues, but now I don't. Now I really have to ask myself if calling the police will make things better or just end in someone being killed.

We need to change the way the police are trained. They're trained to make hair-trigger decisions as if each interaction is a matter of life or death. I get that that is true sometimes, but not all the time. Common sense goes a long way.

We have a societal problem. More police won't solve it.

Yes, we have a societal problem. Yes, police are part of the solution. Your viewpoint, which comes dangerously close to "all cops are bad," actually perpetuates much of the problem. The truth is, what you say is not backed up by FACT. Most police interactions result in absolutely no use of force. Let's use MCPD data instead of national data, which pays respect to the fact we have a highly-trained and well-regarded department. (Well, it isn't well-regarded by some council members.) Here's 2021 data:

"In 2021, there were 593 incidents where some type of force was used in response to resistance reported, an increase of 25% from 2020. That means force was used by officers in 0.32 percent of the total dispatched calls for service. In 92 percent of incidents, officers used no protective instruments or weapons. Instead, officers used only their hands while attempting to place a subject in custody or otherwise gain control of them. Similarly, this was the most common type of force used against our officers by subjects, in a year in which the number of assaults on officers increased by 13 percent." It seems as if our police use A LOT of common sense.
Source: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/pol/Resources/Files/Annual-Reports/UseOfForce/2021%20MCPD%20Use%20of%20Force%20Report.pdf

The simple truth is that calling the police, especially MCPD, will NOT "just end in someone being killed." It's this faulty thinking that perpetuates the social media-driven attack on police and it is unfair to the men and women who do the job honorably. There are many, and I recommend you AND the new council should go and meet them. I also recommend you look into how they are trained. Fortunately, MCPD has a Citizen's Academy for which you can apply. It will give you insight into the profession and you can feel more comfortable with the police we have in this county. We need fewer people who are willing to go on the attack. You admit you live in a safe area, so I'm guessing you don't feel the need for them as much as some of us do. We would appreciate more support when it comes to public safety.

LOL, no, my attitude does not perpetuate much of the problem. I live in Montgomery County. Even if police interaction doesn't end in someone being killed, there are plenty of interactions with police that I find disturbing -- like that 19 year old who had his head covered in his own shirt and then banged against the cement repeatedly, while handcuffed, while other officers just stood there looking bored. Frankly, I don't want my society to operate like that. I don't approve of people who behave like that. I certainly don't respect them. No one that dead to others should be a police officer -- and there are obviously plenty like them, otherwise these other police would have been reacting instead of just standing there like, ho hum. I expect more of the police than the type of officers we have. Sorry.

You'll need to provide some actual proof, like I did above, for any of this to be credible and convincing. Certainly that anecdote you wrote about would be one of the documented uses of force, so you should be able to find proof for us. Also, there are 1,300 officers in MCPD. (Well, that's not true. We've had a TON of people resign because of working conditions, so we're below that number.) If you are going to hold over 1,000 people accountable for vague beliefs, then there is no helping you. You say there are "plenty of them," but I am willing to bet you've never attended a MCPD ride-along or gone to a MCPD-sponsored event. You see, MCPD actually does a lot of community policing. People who live within the community (like me) attend them, so we have a different perception of the police than what social media tells us to believe.

You "expect more," yet you don't even know what you have.

Here you go. Look at all the other offices milling around, bored. Disgusting.

If I was attacked and robbed by a Black man, should I assume all Black men are violent criminals? You don't want cops to profile black people but you have no problem profiling all cops?

I'm not in charge of black men. I am in charge of police in my community. I'm glad we have cell phones now, and can see how they really behave. We need an overhaul.

you are not "in charge" of the police, but even so, the same rule applies.. if you don't want people to stereotype and lump black people together, then don't do that to other groups.

I have no problem with making sure that the police are held accountable for their bad actions. But, I'm not going to assume every single cop is bad, just as I don't assume every single black man is bad.

No one is saying every single cop is bad. LOL, wouldn't it be great if winning an argument were that easy, PP?

We need reform. The culture of policing is f'ed up. We all know it.

No, we don’t “all know it.” I’m all for reform after we take a look at what we already have. We have a good department. You’ve had multiple people on this thread tell you that.

If you want to learn about the culture of policing, take the step to do a ride-along or apply for the Citizen’s Academy.

I think we differ on the level of basic decency. I expect more of the police than you and some on this thread do. We can do better. And we will, without your help.

This has now crossed the line into ridiculousness. You won’t accept AT ALL what is already working well. I refuse to take part in “all police are bad”-inspired chaos. We have a good department. When things go wrong, they address it. Period. All data supports this view and not yours. Since this thread is about our new council, I’ll leave it at this: many candidates who just won the Democratic primary (and therefore the election) seem logical. They, hopefully, will be able to keep anti-police hysteria at bay.

I don't see any anti-police hysteria on this thread. The only hysteria is coming from your side. You see "police reform" and your brain reads, "I LOVE VIOLENT CRIMINALS!!!" Then you think, "AGH!! MOVE AWAY TO SOMEWHERE MORE RIGHT WING!" even though the most right wing of them all -- Trump -- proved he couldn't care less about the police. He just used them to get people like you into a froth, then turned his back on them while they were being ruthlessly attacked by his supporters.

Nope. That wasn’t me. As far as I can tell, there are at least 3 different posters who have tried to discuss the merits of MCPD.

I don’t think “move.” I’m not right wing. It might surprise you, but liberals do want to support the police. We don’t see “reform” as a bad word. What we do despise is having to defend police using facts and statistics which are subsequently ignored by people who would rather scream “I saw a police officer do something bad on YouTube and now I know the whole system needs to be disbanded.”

You want froth? I am the poster above who said my husband, an officer, has saved several lives but taken none. He had performed his job honorably for years. Please tell me why he has earned your disdain and your calls for reform. You say we can “do better.” You don’t know him, his record, or his awards, yet you have lumped him in with a “culture of policing that is all f’ed up.” I tend to lose respect when people throw insults at a man who has done so much for this community. Ironically, he’s a good man who won’t waste his time defending himself on DCUM. He’ll just go to work and perform honorably tomorrow.

How many cops has he turned in for bad behavior?

I think we have had this exchange before on a different thread. It disintegrated into personal attacks and intentionally misconstrued words. I will not be responding again.

Translation: None!

Also we know there is no way he has not seen bad behavior.

You are blind to reality and being a cops wife makes your opinion less valid not more.