US College Rankings, from the perspective of a college student

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

S, M, C, C are T-10.

Things get beyond bizarre when PP says Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Brown, Dartmouth

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Anonymous wrote:I asked my DS and his two friends (soon to be seniors in HS) who were hanging out at our house what they though the top schools in the country were and this is what they said.


1) Probably Harvard
2) Princeton (we visited the campus when he visited my dad years ago)
3) Hopkins (we live in Baltimore)

I mentioned other schools in the top 20 and none of them registered with them. How many kids really care about this?

Ok I'm a Hopkins grad but....none of the other schools on this list "registered" with them? Yale? MIT? Stanford? Columbia?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

S, M, C, C are T-10.

Things get beyond bizarre when PP says Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Brown, Dartmouth

Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley are not HYP(maybe +C) level but they certainly go head-to-head against Penn, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

S, M, C, C are T-10.

Things get beyond bizarre when PP says Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Brown, Dartmouth

Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley are not HYP(maybe +C) level but they certainly go head-to-head against Penn, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.

Head to head in what? In terms of name recognition, nearly everyone knows T-10. Like it or not, fair or not, this gives an applicant the benefit of doubt in employment.

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Anonymous wrote:If you check out her early videos, she was rejected or waitlisted from many of these top schools and was pretty bitter about attending her UC for the first year or so (my kid watches her videos). It's a good lesson in getting over disappointment and making the most of the opportunities that are available to you, so I hope kids watching her have that takeaway. Coming from PA/Midwest, I was surprised to see how competitive and stressful her HS experience of applying to college and receiving decisions was and how bitter (and somewhat entitled) that environment of overachieving and competition can make 18 year olds. It was news to me that kids felt disappointed by UCLA and UCB and snarked about or harbored resentment for kids who did get in, whom they perceived to be less competitive.

That’s why she places Berkeley so high. The students who most want to litigate the rankings are those who tried for better schools, but had to settle for something less. Now, their lifelong mission is to boost the status of their school near those that rejected them. To do so, they trash every school between their school’s current ranking and where they wish their school to be ranked. Other than their wish, they have no objective basis for their re-rankings, just like this bitter YouTuber. There’s no objective value in the video or this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

S, M, C, C are T-10.

Things get beyond bizarre when PP says Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Brown, Dartmouth

Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley are not HYP(maybe +C) level but they certainly go head-to-head against Penn, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.

Head to head in what? In terms of name recognition, nearly everyone knows T-10. Like it or not, fair or not, this gives an applicant the benefit of doubt in employment.

I think you're shooting yourself in the foot. Duke, Northwestern and Hopkins are T-10. Penn is T-10, but Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth are not.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

S, M, C, C are T-10.

Things get beyond bizarre when PP says Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Brown, Dartmouth

Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley are not HYP(maybe +C) level but they certainly go head-to-head against Penn, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.

Head to head in what? In terms of name recognition, nearly everyone knows T-10. Like it or not, fair or not, this gives an applicant the benefit of doubt in employment.

I think you're shooting yourself in the foot. Duke, Northwestern and Hopkins are T-10. Penn is T-10, but Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth are not.

From another poster above:

"That’s why she places Berkeley so high. The students who most want to litigate the rankings are those who tried for better schools, but had to settle for something less. Now, their lifelong mission is to boost the status of their school near those that rejected them. To do so, they trash every school between their school’s current ranking and where they wish their school to be ranked. Other than their wish, they have no objective basis for their re-rankings, just like this bitter YouTuber. There’s no objective value in the video or this thread."

Not talking about the US News ranking. Talking about the general perception of the public.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

S, M, C, C are T-10.

Things get beyond bizarre when PP says Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Brown, Dartmouth

Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Berkeley are not HYP(maybe +C) level but they certainly go head-to-head against Penn, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth.

Head to head in what? In terms of name recognition, nearly everyone knows T-10. Like it or not, fair or not, this gives an applicant the benefit of doubt in employment.

I think you're shooting yourself in the foot. Duke, Northwestern and Hopkins are T-10. Penn is T-10, but Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth are not.

From another poster above:

"That’s why she places Berkeley so high. The students who most want to litigate the rankings are those who tried for better schools, but had to settle for something less. Now, their lifelong mission is to boost the status of their school near those that rejected them. To do so, they trash every school between their school’s current ranking and where they wish their school to be ranked. Other than their wish, they have no objective basis for their re-rankings, just like this bitter YouTuber. There’s no objective value in the video or this thread."

Not talking about the US News ranking. Talking about the general perception of the public.

In the "general perception of the public", I don't know a single person who would think Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth are T-10 schools. Even Penn is dubious, considering that most people confuse it with Penn State.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

So true except for those blindly obsessed with Ivies on the East Coast. Above is true for all areas except for DC, NY, Boston area.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

So true except for those blindly obsessed with Ivies on the East Coast. Above is true for all areas except for DC, NY, Boston area.

Even in NY, I would say that the non-Ivies listed here have at least equal cachet with the latter three Ivy schools listed.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

Stanford = (equivalent) Harvard,
MIT = Princeton,
Chicago = Yale (or slight edge to Yale),
Duke = Columbia,
NW = Penn,
Hopkins > Brown,
Caltech > Dartmouth,
Berkeley > Cornell. Conclusion is Top non-Ivy 8 beats 8 Ivies.

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This kind of thinking is ruining our children. Stop it! Education is way too complex for simple rankings. All this does is make people feel superior or inferior.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

Stanford = (equivalent) Harvard,
MIT = Princeton,
Chicago = Yale (or slight edge to Yale),
Duke = Columbia,
NW = Penn,
Hopkins > Brown,
Caltech > Dartmouth,
Berkeley > Cornell. Conclusion is Top non-Ivy 8 beats 8 Ivies.

Who would ever choose Hopkins over Brown, Caltech over Dartmouth (it's not even a good comparison given Caltech's narrow scope of studies) or Berkeley over Cornell? Nobody. Ivies are regarded as special group and there is no good way to compare non-ivies to them.

Duke and NW are nowhere near the league of the ivies and Chicago while great remains in Chicago.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

Stanford = (equivalent) Harvard,
MIT = Princeton,
Chicago = Yale (or slight edge to Yale),
Duke = Columbia,
NW = Penn,
Hopkins > Brown,
Caltech > Dartmouth,
Berkeley > Cornell. Conclusion is Top non-Ivy 8 beats 8 Ivies.

Who would ever choose Hopkins over Brown, Caltech over Dartmouth (it's not even a good comparison given Caltech's narrow scope of studies) or Berkeley over Cornell? Nobody. Ivies are regarded as special group and there is no good way to compare non-ivies to them.

Duke and NW are nowhere near the league of the ivies and Chicago while great remains in Chicago.

Plenty of people outside of the East coast bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't why people spend so much effort on these rankings. It's very simple. There are the Ivies and then there's everyone else, including the SLACs, ranked from 1 to 30.

No one cares about the lower half of the Ivies. Don't kid yourself.

Lower half of the Ivies is still at a very high level no matter how you kid yourself.

There is no such thing as lower ranked or higher ranked Ivies. They are grouped together and analyzed as a collective. They are all top quality providing world class education.

And analyzed as a collective, there are certainly several universities that are at their level and/or even *gasp* surpass them.

Collectively surpass ivies? Source?

I can see MIT/Caltech surpassing ivies but these are niche universities. They may own ivies in engineering , but ivies own them in liberal arts. JHU all by itself may own ivies in the medical field, but it can't compete with ivies in liberal arts. Julliard/New England Conservatory/Curtis/Oberlin own them in arts and music, but they can't compete with ivies in liberal arts.

DP. As a collective, I find the 8-or-so best non-Ivies to be more impressive than the 8 Ivies, collectives, to be honest.

T16 > T10

Strange DCUM math.

Stanford, MIT, Chicago, Duke, Northwestern, Hopkins, Caltech, Berkeley > Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Columbia, Penn, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth

Stanford = (equivalent) Harvard,
MIT = Princeton,
Chicago = Yale (or slight edge to Yale),
Duke = Columbia,
NW = Penn,
Hopkins > Brown,
Caltech > Dartmouth,
Berkeley > Cornell. Conclusion is Top non-Ivy 8 beats 8 Ivies.

Who would ever choose Hopkins over Brown, Caltech over Dartmouth (it's not even a good comparison given Caltech's narrow scope of studies) or Berkeley over Cornell? Nobody. Ivies are regarded as special group and there is no good way to compare non-ivies to them.

Duke and NW are nowhere near the league of the ivies and Chicago while great remains in Chicago.

Let's face it, Brown, Dartmouth and Cornell are not tippy top elites except they happen to belong to a certain athletic league.