Clustering of special Ed kids in gen Ed

[Anonymous]

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As for how principals decide, I have no answer to you

At our ES, one SN child was asking that my son be in his class. A compliment I know, but that meant my son was with her son and the other SN students year and yea. It wasn't random. The SN's parents were allowed "a say". I was not and didn't know this was happening until years later.

Parents like you are horrible for sns parents to deal with. Assuming that the class with a sns kid is somehow undesirable is vile.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My son has an IEP, and there definitely was clustering in his Gen-Ed class. My estimate is 1/3 of his class. I still remember how shocked one parent was when he found out his kid was in a class with several kids with IEPs. My son may have inattentive ADHD, but he is also a top student, and many parents don’t know that my son has special needs. There is a whole range in his class of the IEPs, and honestly, I am trying to find a way to get my son out of Special Ed because some of the kids have severe behavioral issues and should not be in a Gen Ed classroom. It affects the entire class.

Getting out is SPED is easy. Call a meeting and end the IEP. They may disagree with you and he will lose support, but that’s how you get out of SPED.

We had to stop the IEP but we were forced to finish out the year in the room. Kids should not have to go without help to not be physically assaulted or be in a class with lesser academics because they have an IEP.

Lesser academics. What an ass you are. My kid is one of those kids but he doesn't have behavior problems. Lots of kids with ieps are like my kid but it doesn't matter all kids deserve education and if you don't like it go pay for private school. I had one mom whose daughter was a friend of my kid. The knew my kid has disabilities I don't hide it. I don't know why but mom was a tin plated b@tch and constantly made insutling remarks about other kids with disabilities to me. She put down my kid regularly even though our kids were friends. I loved it when their second grade teacher pointed out how my kid was so helpful to her kid in learning math. Her kid struggled terribly with math. My kid was very good at explaining it to other kids and she used my kid to help other kids particularly this girl. You are so much like her pp.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son has an IEP, and there definitely was clustering in his Gen-Ed class. My estimate is 1/3 of his class. I still remember how shocked one parent was when he found out his kid was in a class with several kids with IEPs. My son may have inattentive ADHD, but he is also a top student, and many parents don’t know that my son has special needs. There is a whole range in his class of the IEPs, and honestly, I am trying to find a way to get my son out of Special Ed because some of the kids have severe behavioral issues and should not be in a Gen Ed classroom. It affects the entire class.

Getting out is SPED is easy. Call a meeting and end the IEP. They may disagree with you and he will lose support, but that’s how you get out of SPED.

We had to stop the IEP but we were forced to finish out the year in the room. Kids should not have to go without help to not be physically assaulted or be in a class with lesser academics because they have an IEP.

Lesser academics. What an ass you are. My kid is one of those kids but he doesn't have behavior problems. Lots of kids with ieps are like my kid but it doesn't matter all kids deserve education and if you don't like it go pay for private school. I had one mom whose daughter was a friend of my kid. The knew my kid has disabilities I don't hide it. I don't know why but mom was a tin plated b@tch and constantly made insutling remarks about other kids with disabilities to me. She put down my kid regularly even though our kids were friends. I loved it when their second grade teacher pointed out how my kid was so helpful to her kid in learning math. Her kid struggled terribly with math. My kid was very good at explaining it to other kids and she used my kid to help other kids particularly this girl. You are so much like her pp.

Sadly, some classes with sped clustering do have much worse academics. My non-sped kid who was randomly assigned to a mostly sped classroom was “successfully” brought to grade-level after consistently being above-grade level prior to joining this classroom. Teacher was overwhelmed and unable to provide meaningful differentiation and instruction for above-grade students. For all we know, this could have happened to an advanced sped student as well, as many sped kids are twice exceptional. Clustering all sped students together is a bad idea. All kids deserve good education and that includes above grade students (sped or not).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter had a horrible third grade experience because there were a few kids who were very badly behaved with special needs. The teacher was experienced but she could not handle it and she would yell at all the kids or just disappear into the copy room. She quit the next year. It was very unfair that my well-behaved and academic daughter was sacrificed as were the many other kids in the class who behaved and didn’t have issues. The school clearly put all the easy kids with the challenging kids in that class.

We had this too. One of our kids didn't qualify for gifted classes, but is very bright and advanced (when I was in school, they would have been on an "honors" track) and it was glaringly obvious that the school put the strongest students and best behaved kids in a class with every single SPED kid in the grade. That way, it was easier to ignore our kids and spend all their time and energy on the other kids, so ours got to "teach" themselves, but the school was fine with that, since our kids got good standardized test scores.

We put a stop to that quickly the following year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter had a horrible third grade experience because there were a few kids who were very badly behaved with special needs. The teacher was experienced but she could not handle it and she would yell at all the kids or just disappear into the copy room. She quit the next year. It was very unfair that my well-behaved and academic daughter was sacrificed as were the many other kids in the class who behaved and didn’t have issues. The school clearly put all the easy kids with the challenging kids in that class.

Your daughter is not that “academic” if she can’t handle a few special needs kids in her classroom. Fact.

You just said something totally idiotic and then ended it with "fact." How embarrassing for you.

[Anonymous]

I have two kids with IEPs with near perfect behavior and some of the kindest kids you will ever meet. They have dyslexia. They were grouped together this year in a class with other kids with dyslexia/reading difficulties amongst stronger academic kids. I’m friends with their teacher and she said she had the best class with zero behavioral problems. Not all kids with IEPs have behavioral problems.

[Anonymous]

Many behavior problems aren’t SPED students. I think in general poor behavior is an issue regardless of SPED. I think any child that is so disruptive that teaching/learning cannot happen effectively should be in a different classroom setting.

[Anonymous]

At our ES, one SN child was asking that my son be in his class. A compliment I know, but that meant my son was with her son and the other SN students year after year. It wasn't random. The SN's parents were allowed "a say". I was not and didn't know this was happening until years later.


Parents like you are horrible for sns parents to deal with. Assuming that the class with a sns kid is somehow undesirable is vile.

I'm in favor of inclusion but should it affect my son's placement EVERY year? The other Mother determines his placement every year? Without me knowing about it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

At our ES, one SN child was asking that my son be in his class. A compliment I know, but that meant my son was with her son and the other SN students year after year. It wasn't random. The SN's parents were allowed "a say". I was not and didn't know this was happening until years later.


Parents like you are horrible for sns parents to deal with. Assuming that the class with a sns kid is somehow undesirable is vile.

I'm in favor of inclusion but should it affect my son's placement EVERY year? The other Mother determines his placement every year? Without me knowing about it

Exactly. I have a type-A rule follower and he was routinely sat next to the most disruptive kids to be a “peer model” until I asked for it to stop. Non-identified kids have needs too

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

At our ES, one SN child was asking that my son be in his class. A compliment I know, but that meant my son was with her son and the other SN students year after year. It wasn't random. The SN's parents were allowed "a say". I was not and didn't know this was happening until years later.

Parents like you are horrible for sns parents to deal with. Assuming that the class with a sns kid is somehow undesirable is vile.

I'm in favor of inclusion but should it affect my son's placement EVERY year? The other Mother determines his placement every year? Without me knowing about it

Why is it that you never filled out the same form that she did asking for the students to be separated? The current teacher also has a say. So if the current teacher saw that request and didn’t see a problem, that’s another reason why they stayed together.

[Anonymous]

Wow, reading this post had made me realize why some of my students acted so entitled and rude at times. Straight from the parents.

[Anonymous]

So why is clustering allowed. It’s not good for anyone. It essentially creates a class within a class.

[Anonymous]

What do you mean "the same form?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

At our ES, one SN child was asking that my son be in his class. A compliment I know, but that meant my son was with her son and the other SN students year after year. It wasn't random. The SN's parents were allowed "a say". I was not and didn't know this was happening until years later.


Parents like you are horrible for sns parents to deal with. Assuming that the class with a sns kid is somehow undesirable is vile.

I'm in favor of inclusion but should it affect my son's placement EVERY year? The other Mother determines his placement every year? Without me knowing about it

You need to request that your child not be placed with this other child, at least for a couple of years. The reality is that most principals do honor parent requests when they can (even if they say they don't) because it makes their lives so much easier -- parents complain less if they get what they asked for. You are the only one who is going to advocate for your kids.

- signed parent of two kids who receive special ed services and had to request certain Gen Ed kids not be in class with my kid(s).

[Anonymous]

When my child was in first grade, there were only 2 classes that year. Class size was big, 26 I think. Didn’t quite have enough for 3 classes. They put all the sped, ESOL and the well behaved kids in one class. I thought I was imagining it and then I spoke to a more seasoned parent who had 3 older kids and she told me they often do that. It was called balancing she said. At that school, they put the kids who need support so the sped and ESOL teachers don’t have to go to multiple classes in the same grade and if there are aids, they can all help out in the one classroom. My well behaved was mostly ignored that year but he got good grades.