Clustering of special Ed kids in gen Ed

[Anonymous]

As a teacher, I don’t know which SPED group I will get. Nor do I know which teacher will get the SPED groups we had this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. How do you know which teachers have the inclusion classes so you can request that your kid be placed with a different teacher from the start of the year?

You can easily tell by who’s in the class. A lot of low kids and behavioral issues.

You can also tell by if there's a SPED teacher in the classroom for a lot of the school day (and at back-to-school nights, open houses, etc.).

I realized that my kid was assigned to the SPED class only after the back-to-school night. This was three weeks after the school year started and too late to request classroom change. I also thought that the assignment might not differ much from other classrooms (I really have no issues whatsoever with integration of SPED students), but the school year was a complete disaster compared to everything we experienced before. Whether it was overwhelmed or untrained teacher or a really difficult combination of students, the drama was never ending. At this school, and under the same circumstances, I would strongly recommend avoiding gened assignments to the SPED classroom and complete overhaul of the management of the SPED program. There has to be a reason why some schools are capable of providing thriving integration of SPED and gened students, while others end up with a big mess.

Big gross to calling it the "SPED class". Sometimes this forum really shows people for who they really are, and it's ugly. I don't know who you are, but I hope you take some time to reflect on why you feel the need to say things like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I don’t know which SPED group I will get. Nor do I know which teacher will get the SPED groups we had this year.

It sounds like you have a bad principal. The teachers with either the most experience or the most relevant backgrounds (we have two with masters in special education who prefer to be classroom teachers) get those classes every year when possible. First year teachers never get them unless there will be a specialist permanently assigned to the class.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I don’t know which SPED group I will get. Nor do I know which teacher will get the SPED groups we had this year.

It sounds like you have a bad principal. The teachers with either the most experience or the most relevant backgrounds (we have two with masters in special education who prefer to be classroom teachers) get those classes every year when possible. First year teachers never get them unless there will be a specialist permanently assigned to the class.

Your school make-up is not the same as everyone else’s. We don’t have teachers with Masters in Special education. Sometimes the veteran teacher doesn’t have the patience. Often times, there is a rotation to avoid teacher burn-out. And first years do get them, sometimes….

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I don’t know which SPED group I will get. Nor do I know which teacher will get the SPED groups we had this year.

It sounds like you have a bad principal. The teachers with either the most experience or the most relevant backgrounds (we have two with masters in special education who prefer to be classroom teachers) get those classes every year when possible. First year teachers never get them unless there will be a specialist permanently assigned to the class.

Your school make-up is not the same as everyone else’s. We don’t have teachers with Masters in Special education. Sometimes the veteran teacher doesn’t have the patience. Often times, there is a rotation to avoid teacher burn-out. And first years do get them, sometimes….

PP first years absolutely do get them. Some schools have very new teams and no one has a masters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. How do you know which teachers have the inclusion classes so you can request that your kid be placed with a different teacher from the start of the year?

You can easily tell by who’s in the class. A lot of low kids and behavioral issues.

You can also tell by if there's a SPED teacher in the classroom for a lot of the school day (and at back-to-school nights, open houses, etc.).

I realized that my kid was assigned to the SPED class only after the back-to-school night. This was three weeks after the school year started and too late to request classroom change. I also thought that the assignment might not differ much from other classrooms (I really have no issues whatsoever with integration of SPED students), but the school year was a complete disaster compared to everything we experienced before. Whether it was overwhelmed or untrained teacher or a really difficult combination of students, the drama was never ending. At this school, and under the same circumstances, I would strongly recommend avoiding gened assignments to the SPED classroom and complete overhaul of the management of the SPED program. There has to be a reason why some schools are capable of providing thriving integration of SPED and gened students, while others end up with a big mess.

Big gross to calling it the "SPED class". Sometimes this forum really shows people for who they really are, and it's ugly. I don't know who you are, but I hope you take some time to reflect on why you feel the need to say things like this.

And what is it called? Is SPED not official acronym? Please do explain since I do not understand why SPED term is offensive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. How do you know which teachers have the inclusion classes so you can request that your kid be placed with a different teacher from the start of the year?

You can easily tell by who’s in the class. A lot of low kids and behavioral issues.

You can also tell by if there's a SPED teacher in the classroom for a lot of the school day (and at back-to-school nights, open houses, etc.).

I realized that my kid was assigned to the SPED class only after the back-to-school night. This was three weeks after the school year started and too late to request classroom change. I also thought that the assignment might not differ much from other classrooms (I really have no issues whatsoever with integration of SPED students), but the school year was a complete disaster compared to everything we experienced before. Whether it was overwhelmed or untrained teacher or a really difficult combination of students, the drama was never ending. At this school, and under the same circumstances, I would strongly recommend avoiding gened assignments to the SPED classroom and complete overhaul of the management of the SPED program. There has to be a reason why some schools are capable of providing thriving integration of SPED and gened students, while others end up with a big mess.

Big gross to calling it the "SPED class". Sometimes this forum really shows people for who they really are, and it's ugly. I don't know who you are, but I hope you take some time to reflect on why you feel the need to say things like this.

And what is it called? Is SPED not official acronym? Please do explain since I do not understand why SPED term is offensive.

Or are you referring to “class” vs “classroom”, which are synonyms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. How do you know which teachers have the inclusion classes so you can request that your kid be placed with a different teacher from the start of the year?

You can easily tell by who’s in the class. A lot of low kids and behavioral issues.

You can also tell by if there's a SPED teacher in the classroom for a lot of the school day (and at back-to-school nights, open houses, etc.).

I realized that my kid was assigned to the SPED class only after the back-to-school night. This was three weeks after the school year started and too late to request classroom change. I also thought that the assignment might not differ much from other classrooms (I really have no issues whatsoever with integration of SPED students), but the school year was a complete disaster compared to everything we experienced before. Whether it was overwhelmed or untrained teacher or a really difficult combination of students, the drama was never ending. At this school, and under the same circumstances, I would strongly recommend avoiding gened assignments to the SPED classroom and complete overhaul of the management of the SPED program. There has to be a reason why some schools are capable of providing thriving integration of SPED and gened students, while others end up with a big mess.

Big gross to calling it the "SPED class". Sometimes this forum really shows people for who they really are, and it's ugly. I don't know who you are, but I hope you take some time to reflect on why you feel the need to say things like this.

And what is it called? Is SPED not official acronym? Please do explain since I do not understand why SPED term is offensive.

It is not an acronym. If it were, it would just be SE. It is frequently used by people to describe people in a derogatory way. It becomes offensive because people use it in an offensive manner. Similar to saying "short bus".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I don’t know which SPED group I will get. Nor do I know which teacher will get the SPED groups we had this year.

It sounds like you have a bad principal. The teachers with either the most experience or the most relevant backgrounds (we have two with masters in special education who prefer to be classroom teachers) get those classes every year when possible. First year teachers never get them unless there will be a specialist permanently assigned to the class.

This is completely false and has nothing to do with being a bad principal. Staffing changes each year. I haven’t had the same team in a few years due to staff leaving. Principals do what they have to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. How do you know which teachers have the inclusion classes so you can request that your kid be placed with a different teacher from the start of the year?

You can easily tell by who’s in the class. A lot of low kids and behavioral issues.

You can also tell by if there's a SPED teacher in the classroom for a lot of the school day (and at back-to-school nights, open houses, etc.).

I realized that my kid was assigned to the SPED class only after the back-to-school night. This was three weeks after the school year started and too late to request classroom change. I also thought that the assignment might not differ much from other classrooms (I really have no issues whatsoever with integration of SPED students), but the school year was a complete disaster compared to everything we experienced before. Whether it was overwhelmed or untrained teacher or a really difficult combination of students, the drama was never ending. At this school, and under the same circumstances, I would strongly recommend avoiding gened assignments to the SPED classroom and complete overhaul of the management of the SPED program. There has to be a reason why some schools are capable of providing thriving integration of SPED and gened students, while others end up with a big mess.

Big gross to calling it the "SPED class". Sometimes this forum really shows people for who they really are, and it's ugly. I don't know who you are, but I hope you take some time to reflect on why you feel the need to say things like this.

And what is it called? Is SPED not official acronym? Please do explain since I do not understand why SPED term is offensive.

I’ve never heard anyone say SPED. When I talk about my son’s class, I say “special Ed”. I don’t find SPEd offensive though and don’t particularly care what others call it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok. How do you know which teachers have the inclusion classes so you can request that your kid be placed with a different teacher from the start of the year?

You can easily tell by who’s in the class. A lot of low kids and behavioral issues.

You can also tell by if there's a SPED teacher in the classroom for a lot of the school day (and at back-to-school nights, open houses, etc.).

I realized that my kid was assigned to the SPED class only after the back-to-school night. This was three weeks after the school year started and too late to request classroom change. I also thought that the assignment might not differ much from other classrooms (I really have no issues whatsoever with integration of SPED students), but the school year was a complete disaster compared to everything we experienced before. Whether it was overwhelmed or untrained teacher or a really difficult combination of students, the drama was never ending. At this school, and under the same circumstances, I would strongly recommend avoiding gened assignments to the SPED classroom and complete overhaul of the management of the SPED program. There has to be a reason why some schools are capable of providing thriving integration of SPED and gened students, while others end up with a big mess.

Big gross to calling it the "SPED class". Sometimes this forum really shows people for who they really are, and it's ugly. I don't know who you are, but I hope you take some time to reflect on why you feel the need to say things like this.

And what is it called? Is SPED not official acronym? Please do explain since I do not understand why SPED term is offensive.

It is not an acronym. If it were, it would just be SE. It is frequently used by people to describe people in a derogatory way. It becomes offensive because people use it in an offensive manner. Similar to saying "short bus".

I honestly was not aware of that. So you would say “SE classroom”? Similar to having gened, ESOL and AAP acronyms?

[Anonymous]

As a Sped parent with a kid in 7th grade, I can tell you that all our ES years were in a variety of classrooms and the sped kids were spread out. Not every sped kid has the same needs. I can guarantee you that my SPED kid behaves infinitely better than your GenED kid. I can also guarantee she's kinder, more thoughtful and a better classroom citizen than most. Her learning disabilities are not causing any disruptions to your snow flake's experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a Sped parent with a kid in 7th grade, I can tell you that all our ES years were in a variety of classrooms and the sped kids were spread out. Not every sped kid has the same needs. I can guarantee you that my SPED kid behaves infinitely better than your GenED kid. I can also guarantee she's kinder, more thoughtful and a better classroom citizen than most. Her learning disabilities are not causing any disruptions to your snow flake's experience.

Good story. No one minds their kid being placed with your well behaved child.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. How do you know which teachers have the inclusion classes so you can request that your kid be placed with a different teacher from the start of the year?

You can easily tell by who’s in the class. A lot of low kids and behavioral issues.

You can also tell by if there's a SPED teacher in the classroom for a lot of the school day (and at back-to-school nights, open houses, etc.).

I realized that my kid was assigned to the SPED class only after the back-to-school night. This was three weeks after the school year started and too late to request classroom change. I also thought that the assignment might not differ much from other classrooms (I really have no issues whatsoever with integration of SPED students), but the school year was a complete disaster compared to everything we experienced before. Whether it was overwhelmed or untrained teacher or a really difficult combination of students, the drama was never ending. At this school, and under the same circumstances, I would strongly recommend avoiding gened assignments to the SPED classroom and complete overhaul of the management of the SPED program. There has to be a reason why some schools are capable of providing thriving integration of SPED and gened students, while others end up with a big mess.

Big gross to calling it the "SPED class". Sometimes this forum really shows people for who they really are, and it's ugly. I don't know who you are, but I hope you take some time to reflect on why you feel the need to say things like this.

And what is it called? Is SPED not official acronym? Please do explain since I do not understand why SPED term is offensive.

It is not an acronym. If it were, it would just be SE. It is frequently used by people to describe people in a derogatory way. It becomes offensive because people use it in an offensive manner. Similar to saying "short bus".

I honestly was not aware of that. So you would say “SE classroom”? Similar to having gened, ESOL and AAP acronyms?

To me a special ed classroom is a self contained classroom. People here are talking about Gen Ed, ESOL and AAP classrooms that have students who are also Special Ed. I would not call those Special Ed classrooms. I might say inclusion (but the way that FCPS does it, it isn't really inclusion either). By calling them SPED classrooms they are defining the entire class by a minority of the students that are in those classrooms.

The groupings are not silos. It is more of a Venn diagram. For example, my DC was in AAP math and Science classes, Gen Ed/Honors Social Studies and History class and in team taught Language Arts and English classes. DC had an IEP from 2nd through the end of 12th grade. So, they were Special Ed and AAP and Honors and Gen Ed. There are even students who are ESOL, Special Ed, AAP and Gen Ed- depending on the services and academics they need.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ok. How do you know which teachers have the inclusion classes so you can request that your kid be placed with a different teacher from the start of the year?

You can easily tell by who’s in the class. A lot of low kids and behavioral issues.

You can also tell by if there's a SPED teacher in the classroom for a lot of the school day (and at back-to-school nights, open houses, etc.).

I realized that my kid was assigned to the SPED class only after the back-to-school night. This was three weeks after the school year started and too late to request classroom change. I also thought that the assignment might not differ much from other classrooms (I really have no issues whatsoever with integration of SPED students), but the school year was a complete disaster compared to everything we experienced before. Whether it was overwhelmed or untrained teacher or a really difficult combination of students, the drama was never ending. At this school, and under the same circumstances, I would strongly recommend avoiding gened assignments to the SPED classroom and complete overhaul of the management of the SPED program. There has to be a reason why some schools are capable of providing thriving integration of SPED and gened students, while others end up with a big mess.

Big gross to calling it the "SPED class". Sometimes this forum really shows people for who they really are, and it's ugly. I don't know who you are, but I hope you take some time to reflect on why you feel the need to say things like this.

And what is it called? Is SPED not official acronym? Please do explain since I do not understand why SPED term is offensive.

The person making the analogy to the short bus probably had the best answer. It's a classroom that has students with varied needs, including students that have IEPs. I don't think I need a woke medal, but the connotation people use on this thread when they call something the SPED class or complain about being around SPED kids ignorant and offensive.