Holly Hawthorne was principal at ATS for something like 25-30 yrs. I fondly remember Dr. Stone, principal at Taylor for 20 years. He was a gem of a person. And Holly Hawthorne was a teacher at Taylor during that time. |
Parent here. Not a fan. Not sorry she’s gone. I get that you cant please everyone but just so the thread isn’t all glowing reviews. |
The job has changed so much. I doubt anyone who has started an Admin job in the last 10 years will last that long if they have any other options. |
Did you experience the principal before her? Have you seen the WL principal? I think we will miss KM. I will ask then, we have a survey out — what challenges is the school facing — it sounds like you experience them first hand. |
Yes, been in APS a long time and now experienced several schools. Look, I get that it's a job where you can't please everyone but my experience with her on a child who had some minor needs was frustrating -- she was dismissive of my concerns. I didn't think she was helpful or in our court or interested in problem solving. Also, of the people I know who were fans of hers, they didn't have kids who had any sort of needs; rather, they dealt with her more on an organizational/planning level as opposed to a problem solving for their child level. And, she's capable on that front, which I guess is something. |
She did seem old school so maybe she is a bit dismissive of the endless on slaught of special need kids versus prior decades. We have a DC with mild ADHD but diagnosed later in life. What accommodations do you even need in elementary school? We get extended test time, and someone meets one a week to help organize homework and assignments. But elementary school has no homework; is she refusing extended test time? What other services are available? |
Your attitude sucks too. |
Well I liked KM, and I'm a little skeptical of some people looking for support and pining the blame on the Principal. She was just part of the IEP team, and most of the heavy lifting is accomplished by the Special Ed Coordinator and Special Ed Teacher, with more help from school psychologist. The Principal is mostly just validating that resources are available for the specifics of the plan; she may eventually go back to APS and request more resources but that is usually part of the annual budget process not on a per student basis. So I asked what sort of supports you need, and what supports are available for this age group. I do feel there are a lot more requests for special needs requests than in prior generation; perhaps my choice of onslaught was in poor taste, and I feel that mainstream educators feel like it has been a much larger switch since they are now mainstreamed by default rather than siloed in decades past. |
DP. It honestly does not sound like you have any experience with the iep process at Taylor is kind of odd that you would be so dismissive to PP. my child has an IEP and the Special Ed Coordinator has never meaningfully participated ( typically has not joined the meetings etc) let alone “done the bulk of the heavy lifting” so not sure why you feel the need to invalidate PP’s experiences. I’ve personally had very minimal contact with Madigan so can’t speak to that. No longer siloing special education students by default is no more an “onslaught” than no longer segregating students by race is an “onslaught” of POCs. |
My point as a mainstream principle, suddenly, 16% of your students are making special requests, when 20 years ago they just went to a different school. My kid is on an IEP in middle school, and I was basing it on the process we have there at Hamm. If you don’t meet coordinator and don’t meet with KM, are you just working with a SE teacher? I am just curious what PP expected of the principal for their IEP support — the process is pretty well established and legally mandated so I wouldn’t expect KM to be that involved, yet they have a beef with her over her part of the IEP?? |
Kids with disabilities are students too. If you don't want to work with 16% of your students, you should not be a principal. |
PP said that she had a bad attitude, but is not in any way qualified what exactly happened? And it sounds like the principal isn’t even responsible to deliver services so what was the deal? |
the principal doesn't directly deliver sped services but has a very big impact on how kids with disabilities are treated overall and with the services they are granted, or not |
So I responded before and we’ve always dealt with the AP but I do know from friends at other APS elementary schools the principal as been in their iep meetings so maybe it’s possible that’s what occurred with PP? They probably don’t want to say what happens for fear of doxxing themselves. That said Taylor has a unique student population so I can imagine any one principal might not be a great fit for everyone. |
Again for elementary school, what are the services? I thought it was mostly pull outs for executive function coaching? |