Algebra 1 Honors

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else find it weird that parents are talking about this as though they are the ones who are taking the math classes? I just told my kid the implications of taking it in 7th, including the issue of math during high school, and left the decision to my kid and their teacher. But I guess maybe some kids need and want more of a micromanaging approach (and I don’t mean that as an insult, I’m just surprised).

I am a PP on this thread and we are discussing our thoughts/opinions with our child, as we would with many decisions he has or will make in life. I also have older kids…did we talk about where to go to college or what to major in? Absolutely! Did we dictate it? Nope. Happy to share my thoughts with my kids including pointing out any considerations they may be overlooking. An 11 year old may not be thinking several years down the road.

I would actually find it weird NOT to talk to my kids and discuss these things.

PP here and I think we are on the same page!

[Anonymous]

At my private school in the 90s all kinds of normal kids were taking Algebra I in 7th. Any above average kid can do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s a 7th grader at Luther Jackson taking Pre Calc this year. It’s not common, but FCPS accelerates kids more than you might imagine.

and the fact that some of those kids aren't going to TJ makes 0 sense

How many kids who took pre-calc in 7th were denied admission?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s a 7th grader at Luther Jackson taking Pre Calc this year. It’s not common, but FCPS accelerates kids more than you might imagine.

It’s hard to imagine. So are parents making the school give their 8yo the Iowa and SOL? And then the 9yo is getting high school credit? Is the 7th grader going to high school for pre calc? Hopefully it’s not online. It just seems really logistically complicated and not something a school would want to deal with. And these are kids who are definitely receiving outside enrichment. Which do that by all means if you want. But I wouldn’t expect a school to try too hard to then accommodate that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a 7th grader at Luther Jackson taking Pre Calc this year. It’s not common, but FCPS accelerates kids more than you might imagine.

It’s hard to imagine. So are parents making the school give their 8yo the Iowa and SOL? And then the 9yo is getting high school credit? Is the 7th grader going to high school for pre calc? Hopefully it’s not online. It just seems really logistically complicated and not something a school would want to deal with. And these are kids who are definitely receiving outside enrichment. Which do that by all means if you want. But I wouldn’t expect a school to try too hard to then accommodate that.

In your opinion, what should FCPS do with kids who are exceptionally gifted? Should they just shrug their shoulders and decide not to educate them? Should they expect kids like that to just be private or homeschooled? Don't all kids deserve to be taught at a level appropriate for their intellect and level of achievement? In a school system as large as FCPS, it should be expected that there will be a handful of kids each grade level who are far beyond their same age AAP peers.

Also, you have the sequencing wrong for whether kids like that are receiving outside enrichment. They aren't far ahead because they're receiving outside enrichment. They're receiving outside enrichment because they were already so far ahead that neither the parents nor the school knew what to do with them.

[Anonymous]

SOL results for our school were in SIS this morning! 96th Iowa, 539 SOL. Definitely taking Algebra 1 next year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a 7th grader at Luther Jackson taking Pre Calc this year. It’s not common, but FCPS accelerates kids more than you might imagine.

It’s hard to imagine. So are parents making the school give their 8yo the Iowa and SOL? And then the 9yo is getting high school credit? Is the 7th grader going to high school for pre calc? Hopefully it’s not online. It just seems really logistically complicated and not something a school would want to deal with. And these are kids who are definitely receiving outside enrichment. Which do that by all means if you want. But I wouldn’t expect a school to try too hard to then accommodate that.

In your opinion, what should FCPS do with kids who are exceptionally gifted? Should they just shrug their shoulders and decide not to educate them? Should they expect kids like that to just be private or homeschooled? Don't all kids deserve to be taught at a level appropriate for their intellect and level of achievement? In a school system as large as FCPS, it should be expected that there will be a handful of kids each grade level who are far beyond their same age AAP peers.

Also, you have the sequencing wrong for whether kids like that are receiving outside enrichment. They aren't far ahead because they're receiving outside enrichment. They're receiving outside enrichment because they were already so far ahead that neither the parents nor the school knew what to do with them.

Kids who are that exceptionally gifted should skip multiple grades including going to college early.

Now in many of these cases there are parents who are pushing the child as well. That is what needs to stop. Doing Math as young as 3, Kuman and Khan academy from an early age. That type of stuff has no place in the US.

The vast majority of AAP kids are just smart. I actually favor reducing AAP to the truly gifted around 1% (that's your TJ cohort) or so and then for the exceptionally gifted again you need to be skipping grades at that point.

[Anonymous]

SOL results popped up this morning for our school so it is definitely worth checking if you are still waiting!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a 7th grader at Luther Jackson taking Pre Calc this year. It’s not common, but FCPS accelerates kids more than you might imagine.

It’s hard to imagine. So are parents making the school give their 8yo the Iowa and SOL? And then the 9yo is getting high school credit? Is the 7th grader going to high school for pre calc? Hopefully it’s not online. It just seems really logistically complicated and not something a school would want to deal with. And these are kids who are definitely receiving outside enrichment. Which do that by all means if you want. But I wouldn’t expect a school to try too hard to then accommodate that.

In your opinion, what should FCPS do with kids who are exceptionally gifted? Should they just shrug their shoulders and decide not to educate them? Should they expect kids like that to just be private or homeschooled? Don't all kids deserve to be taught at a level appropriate for their intellect and level of achievement? In a school system as large as FCPS, it should be expected that there will be a handful of kids each grade level who are far beyond their same age AAP peers.

Also, you have the sequencing wrong for whether kids like that are receiving outside enrichment. They aren't far ahead because they're receiving outside enrichment. They're receiving outside enrichment because they were already so far ahead that neither the parents nor the school knew what to do with them.

I’m the PP quoted. There should be an understanding that there are limits to how much a public school should individualize education for kids who are “ahead”. A kid put into algebra I in 3rd grade is not simply exceptionally gifted, but also exceptionally tutored. And likely more tutored than gifted. The argument that they are deserving of FAPE is absurd. They are obviously receiving more than enough instruction.

An FSIQ above 145 which is roughly 1/1000 kids, is a smart kid, but I promise you they are not intuitively factoring in 2nd grade. Of course we can tutor many kids that age to do so. But it is not FCPS responsibility to push every single kid as hard as they can tolerate. I think schools need to push back on pushy parents. Like someone said a kid who is ready for high school in 3rd grade is your outlier who probably does need radical acceleration, private, or homeschool. Does that answer your question?

[Anonymous]

My kid had covid during the initial test day, but said the makeup day was crazy and they were rushing them. He only scored a 490 on the SOL, but he was in the 99th percentile on the IAAT. I think the 99th percentile on the IAAT is closer to his aptitude. Is there a way to appeal? I have a message into the school as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a 7th grader at Luther Jackson taking Pre Calc this year. It’s not common, but FCPS accelerates kids more than you might imagine.

It’s hard to imagine. So are parents making the school give their 8yo the Iowa and SOL? And then the 9yo is getting high school credit? Is the 7th grader going to high school for pre calc? Hopefully it’s not online. It just seems really logistically complicated and not something a school would want to deal with. And these are kids who are definitely receiving outside enrichment. Which do that by all means if you want. But I wouldn’t expect a school to try too hard to then accommodate that.

In your opinion, what should FCPS do with kids who are exceptionally gifted? Should they just shrug their shoulders and decide not to educate them? Should they expect kids like that to just be private or homeschooled? Don't all kids deserve to be taught at a level appropriate for their intellect and level of achievement? In a school system as large as FCPS, it should be expected that there will be a handful of kids each grade level who are far beyond their same age AAP peers.

Also, you have the sequencing wrong for whether kids like that are receiving outside enrichment. They aren't far ahead because they're receiving outside enrichment. They're receiving outside enrichment because they were already so far ahead that neither the parents nor the school knew what to do with them.

I’m the PP quoted. There should be an understanding that there are limits to how much a public school should individualize education for kids who are “ahead”. A kid put into algebra I in 3rd grade is not simply exceptionally gifted, but also exceptionally tutored. And likely more tutored than gifted. The argument that they are deserving of FAPE is absurd. They are obviously receiving more than enough instruction.

An FSIQ above 145 which is roughly 1/1000 kids, is a smart kid, but I promise you they are not intuitively factoring in 2nd grade. Of course we can tutor many kids that age to do so. But it is not FCPS responsibility to push every single kid as hard as they can tolerate. I think schools need to push back on pushy parents. Like someone said a kid who is ready for high school in 3rd grade is your outlier who probably does need radical acceleration, private, or homeschool. Does that answer your question?

FCPS certainly has some small handful of kids who are 99.99th percentile. If it isn't too cumbersome to the school, at least some efforts should be made to accelerate kids like that when appropriate.

I'm curious about how would you handle a kid like mine: Hit the ceiling in WISC Fluid Reasoning index with 19 in all subtests and a FRI at the max score of 155 (extended norms were not available at the time), but only a 124 in the Verbal index. The Principal and Math resource teacher wanted to skip him ahead multiple grades in math, starting in early 1st grade, but the admins at Gatehouse wouldn't allow a multiple grade math skip. Wholesale radical acceleration wouldn't be appropriate since he's not gifted in language arts and not abnormally mature. I would have been happy with any of an appropriate grade skip in math, permission to ignore the school math lessons and do AoPS during ES math class, or permission to take any outside math course at an appropriate level while using the school math slot as a study hall. FCPS was not willing to allow any of these.

For my kid, the answer was homeschooling. It's unfortunate, though, when the local public school system is too rigid to even try to meet the needs of the highly gifted kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a 7th grader at Luther Jackson taking Pre Calc this year. It’s not common, but FCPS accelerates kids more than you might imagine.

It’s hard to imagine. So are parents making the school give their 8yo the Iowa and SOL? And then the 9yo is getting high school credit? Is the 7th grader going to high school for pre calc? Hopefully it’s not online. It just seems really logistically complicated and not something a school would want to deal with. And these are kids who are definitely receiving outside enrichment. Which do that by all means if you want. But I wouldn’t expect a school to try too hard to then accommodate that.

In your opinion, what should FCPS do with kids who are exceptionally gifted? Should they just shrug their shoulders and decide not to educate them? Should they expect kids like that to just be private or homeschooled? Don't all kids deserve to be taught at a level appropriate for their intellect and level of achievement? In a school system as large as FCPS, it should be expected that there will be a handful of kids each grade level who are far beyond their same age AAP peers.

Also, you have the sequencing wrong for whether kids like that are receiving outside enrichment. They aren't far ahead because they're receiving outside enrichment. They're receiving outside enrichment because they were already so far ahead that neither the parents nor the school knew what to do with them.

I’m the PP quoted. There should be an understanding that there are limits to how much a public school should individualize education for kids who are “ahead”. A kid put into algebra I in 3rd grade is not simply exceptionally gifted, but also exceptionally tutored. And likely more tutored than gifted. The argument that they are deserving of FAPE is absurd. They are obviously receiving more than enough instruction.

An FSIQ above 145 which is roughly 1/1000 kids, is a smart kid, but I promise you they are not intuitively factoring in 2nd grade. Of course we can tutor many kids that age to do so. But it is not FCPS responsibility to push every single kid as hard as they can tolerate. I think schools need to push back on pushy parents. Like someone said a kid who is ready for high school in 3rd grade is your outlier who probably does need radical acceleration, private, or homeschool. Does that answer your question?

FCPS certainly has some small handful of kids who are 99.99th percentile. If it isn't too cumbersome to the school, at least some efforts should be made to accelerate kids like that when appropriate.

I'm curious about how would you handle a kid like mine: Hit the ceiling in WISC Fluid Reasoning index with 19 in all subtests and a FRI at the max score of 155 (extended norms were not available at the time), but only a 124 in the Verbal index. The Principal and Math resource teacher wanted to skip him ahead multiple grades in math, starting in early 1st grade, but the admins at Gatehouse wouldn't allow a multiple grade math skip. Wholesale radical acceleration wouldn't be appropriate since he's not gifted in language arts and not abnormally mature. I would have been happy with any of an appropriate grade skip in math, permission to ignore the school math lessons and do AoPS during ES math class, or permission to take any outside math course at an appropriate level while using the school math slot as a study hall. FCPS was not willing to allow any of these.

For my kid, the answer was homeschooling. It's unfortunate, though, when the local public school system is too rigid to even try to meet the needs of the highly gifted kids.

Serious question, none of this matters long-term. Your kid will go to college and get a job like any other normal smart kid. He/she will have a bosses and function in a society that is made up of average people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone from Kilmer?

Kilmer parent. Got SOL results in SIS on 9th however no email or letter so far. should we expect it from MS or ES?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone from Kilmer?

Kilmer parent. Got SOL results in SIS on 9th however no email or letter so far. should we expect it from MS or ES? We did receive letter when IAAT results came out but that was while ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s a 7th grader at Luther Jackson taking Pre Calc this year. It’s not common, but FCPS accelerates kids more than you might imagine.

It’s hard to imagine. So are parents making the school give their 8yo the Iowa and SOL? And then the 9yo is getting high school credit? Is the 7th grader going to high school for pre calc? Hopefully it’s not online. It just seems really logistically complicated and not something a school would want to deal with. And these are kids who are definitely receiving outside enrichment. Which do that by all means if you want. But I wouldn’t expect a school to try too hard to then accommodate that.

In your opinion, what should FCPS do with kids who are exceptionally gifted? Should they just shrug their shoulders and decide not to educate them? Should they expect kids like that to just be private or homeschooled? Don't all kids deserve to be taught at a level appropriate for their intellect and level of achievement? In a school system as large as FCPS, it should be expected that there will be a handful of kids each grade level who are far beyond their same age AAP peers.

Also, you have the sequencing wrong for whether kids like that are receiving outside enrichment. They aren't far ahead because they're receiving outside enrichment. They're receiving outside enrichment because they were already so far ahead that neither the parents nor the school knew what to do with them.

I’m the PP quoted. There should be an understanding that there are limits to how much a public school should individualize education for kids who are “ahead”. A kid put into algebra I in 3rd grade is not simply exceptionally gifted, but also exceptionally tutored. And likely more tutored than gifted. The argument that they are deserving of FAPE is absurd. They are obviously receiving more than enough instruction.

An FSIQ above 145 which is roughly 1/1000 kids, is a smart kid, but I promise you they are not intuitively factoring in 2nd grade. Of course we can tutor many kids that age to do so. But it is not FCPS responsibility to push every single kid as hard as they can tolerate. I think schools need to push back on pushy parents. Like someone said a kid who is ready for high school in 3rd grade is your outlier who probably does need radical acceleration, private, or homeschool. Does that answer your question?

FCPS certainly has some small handful of kids who are 99.99th percentile. If it isn't too cumbersome to the school, at least some efforts should be made to accelerate kids like that when appropriate.

I'm curious about how would you handle a kid like mine: Hit the ceiling in WISC Fluid Reasoning index with 19 in all subtests and a FRI at the max score of 155 (extended norms were not available at the time), but only a 124 in the Verbal index. The Principal and Math resource teacher wanted to skip him ahead multiple grades in math, starting in early 1st grade, but the admins at Gatehouse wouldn't allow a multiple grade math skip. Wholesale radical acceleration wouldn't be appropriate since he's not gifted in language arts and not abnormally mature. I would have been happy with any of an appropriate grade skip in math, permission to ignore the school math lessons and do AoPS during ES math class, or permission to take any outside math course at an appropriate level while using the school math slot as a study hall. FCPS was not willing to allow any of these.

For my kid, the answer was homeschooling. It's unfortunate, though, when the local public school system is too rigid to even try to meet the needs of the highly gifted kids.

Serious question, none of this matters long-term. Your kid will go to college and get a job like any other normal smart kid. He/she will have a bosses and function in a society that is made up of average people.

That doesn’t mean the child should not be engaged and learning in school. A kid who is gifted and challenged could end up in a totally different job that uses those talents. A kid who is gifted and bored could end up wasting those talents.

I don’t understand why people understand that we needs programs and activities for SPED but think that it is ok to ignore bright and gifted kids.