Top SF high school sees record spike in failing grades after dropping merit-based admission system

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

Agree and honestly I'm more concerned about the Replican party blocking any meaningful common sense gun reform. Now that's a real problem for our schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'll vote for Democrats at the national and state level if they align with my views on a women's right to choose and stronger gun control, but they sure as hell are ruining our local public schools with their obsession with equity and their commitment to eradicating the idea of academic merit.

- Independent who'll continue to split votes

it’s really inexplicably tragic that Democrats fail on education- from PK to college. get it together!!

The Uvalde parent community would probably disagree.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

Agree and honestly I'm more concerned about the Replican party blocking any meaningful common sense gun reform. Now that's a real problem for our schools.

Plus, could you really imagine what education would look like if Republicans were in charge? So many books that would be banned, no separation of church and state in the classroom. I want my kid to learn history. I want my kid to read any book they like without a religious nutjob feeling like that book might damage their mind. I don't want my children to learn religion in science class. I only want them to learn about religion in a Comparative Religions class.

Don't fall for the trap that Republicans would be better with education because the stories coming from Republican school boards are not proving that to be the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

Agree and honestly I'm more concerned about the Replican party blocking any meaningful common sense gun reform. Now that's a real problem for our schools.

Plus, could you really imagine what education would look like if Republicans were in charge? So many books that would be banned, no separation of church and state in the classroom. I want my kid to learn history. I want my kid to read any book they like without a religious nutjob feeling like that book might damage their mind. I don't want my children to learn religion in science class. I only want them to learn about religion in a Comparative Religions class.

Don't fall for the trap that Republicans would be better with education because the stories coming from Republican school boards are not proving that to be the case.

Sounds like whataboutism. You don't have to vote for the most progressive or most conservative candidates for your local school board. Moderates and independents do exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

tl;dr but I’m pretty sure this poster is why we’re going to lose the house, Senate, and presidency. a pathological inability to take any responsibility, and an obsession with blaming Trump and Putin. yeah, Putin is why a 99.999% democratic city decided to gut its flagship public high school.

This is the dumbest thing I've read today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

Agree and honestly I'm more concerned about the Replican party blocking any meaningful common sense gun reform. Now that's a real problem for our schools.

Plus, could you really imagine what education would look like if Republicans were in charge? So many books that would be banned, no separation of church and state in the classroom. I want my kid to learn history. I want my kid to read any book they like without a religious nutjob feeling like that book might damage their mind. I don't want my children to learn religion in science class. I only want them to learn about religion in a Comparative Religions class.

Don't fall for the trap that Republicans would be better with education because the stories coming from Republican school boards are not proving that to be the case.

100%. I'll never vote R. Ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

Agree and honestly I'm more concerned about the Replican party blocking any meaningful common sense gun reform. Now that's a real problem for our schools.

Plus, could you really imagine what education would look like if Republicans were in charge? So many books that would be banned, no separation of church and state in the classroom. I want my kid to learn history. I want my kid to read any book they like without a religious nutjob feeling like that book might damage their mind. I don't want my children to learn religion in science class. I only want them to learn about religion in a Comparative Religions class.

Don't fall for the trap that Republicans would be better with education because the stories coming from Republican school boards are not proving that to be the case.

100%. I'll never vote R. Ever.

+1

I want all kids to be educated. Not just the ones who can manage to get spots at charter schools/private schools (vouchers).

[Anonymous]

Gee, whoever could have predicted this shocking turn of events.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remove achievement and you will have no achievement gap!!!

Not exactly true because the thing you're calling achievement is more a measure of privilege.

? so, the answer is to lower the expectations for all so that non-privileged kids can measure up?

-signed a very not privileged child of immigrants who don't speak English, and I took AP classes and got As.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remove achievement and you will have no achievement gap!!!

Not exactly true because the thing you're calling achievement is more a measure of privilege.

? so, the answer is to lower the expectations for all so that non-privileged kids can measure up?

-signed a very not privileged child of immigrants who don't speak English, and I took AP classes and got As.

+1. My parents were dirt poor, didn't speak English, and could hardly afford to give me "privileges." They encouraged hard work and had high expectations for achievement, and this is why I succeeded. I am all for interventions that work, but I fail to see how lowering or getting rid of expectations is supposed to help poor kids break the cycle of poverty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

Agree and honestly I'm more concerned about the Replican party blocking any meaningful common sense gun reform. Now that's a real problem for our schools.

Plus, could you really imagine what education would look like if Republicans were in charge? So many books that would be banned, no separation of church and state in the classroom. I want my kid to learn history. I want my kid to read any book they like without a religious nutjob feeling like that book might damage their mind. I don't want my children to learn religion in science class. I only want them to learn about religion in a Comparative Religions class.

Don't fall for the trap that Republicans would be better with education because the stories coming from Republican school boards are not proving that to be the case.

100%. I'll never vote R. Ever.

+1

I want all kids to be educated. Not just the ones who can manage to get spots at charter schools/private schools (vouchers).

I probably wouldn’t vote R ever either, but you are misinformed if you think Democrats are educating all children. They are not. They are lower expectations so much that every child passes. That has nothing to do with learning. We also no longer teach kids that they are accountable for their actions or behavior. Just look at the thread about Jackson-Reed in the DCPS forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

Agree and honestly I'm more concerned about the Replican party blocking any meaningful common sense gun reform. Now that's a real problem for our schools.

Plus, could you really imagine what education would look like if Republicans were in charge? So many books that would be banned, no separation of church and state in the classroom. I want my kid to learn history. I want my kid to read any book they like without a religious nutjob feeling like that book might damage their mind. I don't want my children to learn religion in science class. I only want them to learn about religion in a Comparative Religions class.

Don't fall for the trap that Republicans would be better with education because the stories coming from Republican school boards are not proving that to be the case.

100%. I'll never vote R. Ever.

+1

I want all kids to be educated. Not just the ones who can manage to get spots at charter schools/private schools (vouchers).

I probably wouldn’t vote R ever either, but you are misinformed if you think Democrats are educating all children. They are not. They are lower expectations so much that every child passes. That has nothing to do with learning. We also no longer teach kids that they are accountable for their actions or behavior. Just look at the thread about Jackson-Reed in the DCPS forum.

That's interesting but I'm more concerned about R's fighting to prevent background checks and trying to keep assault rifles easily available.

The problems at Lowell seem anecdotal by comparison to Uvalde. The former will get sorted out in time, but the loss of life at the later isn't something we can fix.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

Great. Hope they and the NYC magnets and TJ keep disclosing their data and results from their poor political decisions making in k-12 education in America.

Also post the article on record Canada, Uk, and EU university applications from Americans in American schools.

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Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

Agree and honestly I'm more concerned about the Replican party blocking any meaningful common sense gun reform. Now that's a real problem for our schools.

Plus, could you really imagine what education would look like if Republicans were in charge? So many books that would be banned, no separation of church and state in the classroom. I want my kid to learn history. I want my kid to read any book they like without a religious nutjob feeling like that book might damage their mind. I don't want my children to learn religion in science class. I only want them to learn about religion in a Comparative Religions class.

Don't fall for the trap that Republicans would be better with education because the stories coming from Republican school boards are not proving that to be the case.

100%. I'll never vote R. Ever.

+1

I want all kids to be educated. Not just the ones who can manage to get spots at charter schools/private schools (vouchers).

I probably wouldn’t vote R ever either, but you are misinformed if you think Democrats are educating all children. They are not. They are lower expectations so much that every child passes. That has nothing to do with learning. We also no longer teach kids that they are accountable for their actions or behavior. Just look at the thread about Jackson-Reed in the DCPS forum.

That's interesting but I'm more concerned about R's fighting to prevent background checks and trying to keep assault rifles easily available.

The problems at Lowell seem anecdotal by comparison to Uvalde. The former will get sorted out in time, but the loss of life at the later isn't something we can fix.

That’s fine. I was responding to your comment that you want all kids educated. Neither party is achieving that in the US, they just have different approaches to their ineptitude.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:"San Francisco’s Lowell High School, regarded as one of the best in the nation, is seeing a record spike in Ds and Fs among its first batch of students admitted in fall 2021 through a new lottery system instead of its decades-long merit-based admissions.

Of the 620 first-year students admitted through the lottery, nearly one in four (24.4%) received at least one letter grade of D or F in the said semester, according to internal records obtained by the San Francisco Chronicle. This marks a triple increase from 7.9% in fall 2020 and 7.7% in fall 2019."

https://news.yahoo.com/top-sf-high-school-sees-192303605.html

It looks as if the main point of this thread is Republicans trying to use one fairly obscure issue to try persuade Democrats and independents that some dumb fringe Democratic policies are worse than Trump and other Republicans trying to give control of the United States to Putin. Personally, I’d prefer a country with crappier test schools over one in which Putin puts the students in the test schools in filtration camps.

But the funny thing is that the numbers here suggest that switching to a slightly modified lottery system might work out.

These failure numbers are not actually that bad. They mean that, even after all of the unfairness of COVID-related lockdowns, most of the students who came in through the lottery passed most of their courses. The well-prepared kids might have an easier time ranking highly and doing well in college admissions. The lower-ranked students who are happy and get diplomas might come away with a much better education than they would have received otherwise and experiences that will change the course of their lives.

Some simple solutions for making the lottery system better, based on what European universities that face similar constraints do:

- Have the kids could complete the kind of short, simple assignment that they might do in the second week of classes, with phone access to a homework helper line, and get a grade back, to see how they like that, before they apply. Let them apply even if they fail, but require them to make a real effort to complete assignment. That way, they’re providing proof of seriousness, and they can gauge for themselves whether they can deal with the level of work.

- In a district that wants to provide equal access to opportunity but is open to some self-tracking: Provide discipline-based magnet schools as well as acceleration-based schools. Some of the kids applying to the academic magnets might know they’re not great students. They simply want to go to safe, orderly schools. Solution: Set up some schools that hold costs down by allowing a higher-than-normal average class size and apply tough disciplinary standards. Don’t let any kids who are hard to manage apply to these schools, unless they have an IEP that provides for, say, a minder that they share with two other students, and the minder can keep them on track. Let kids who want apply to the discipline magnets, as long as they turn in most assignments, even if they have bad grades. Use the money saved on the minder schools to give the schools with the remaining students more money. Chances are the money available in the discipline schools will go a lot farther, and the kids there might learn a lot more when freed from the unmanageable kids. And, this way, the academic acceleration schools won’t face pressure to save nice students with weak skills from hellhole schools. And the schools with hard-to-manage students can focus more on basic literacy, dealing with the kids’ issues, and arts and life skills issues, rather than struggling to pretend to teach algebra to kids who are weak on counting to 1,000.

Agree and honestly I'm more concerned about the Replican party blocking any meaningful common sense gun reform. Now that's a real problem for our schools.

Plus, could you really imagine what education would look like if Republicans were in charge? So many books that would be banned, no separation of church and state in the classroom. I want my kid to learn history. I want my kid to read any book they like without a religious nutjob feeling like that book might damage their mind. I don't want my children to learn religion in science class. I only want them to learn about religion in a Comparative Religions class.

Don't fall for the trap that Republicans would be better with education because the stories coming from Republican school boards are not proving that to be the case.

100%. I'll never vote R. Ever.

+1

I want all kids to be educated. Not just the ones who can manage to get spots at charter schools/private schools (vouchers).

I probably wouldn’t vote R ever either, but you are misinformed if you think Democrats are educating all children. They are not. They are lower expectations so much that every child passes. That has nothing to do with learning. We also no longer teach kids that they are accountable for their actions or behavior. Just look at the thread about Jackson-Reed in the DCPS forum.

That's interesting but I'm more concerned about R's fighting to prevent background checks and trying to keep assault rifles easily available.

The problems at Lowell seem anecdotal by comparison to Uvalde. The former will get sorted out in time, but the loss of life at the later isn't something we can fix.

That’s fine. I was responding to your comment that you want all kids educated. Neither party is achieving that in the US, they just have different approaches to their ineptitude.

I'm not the same poster, and although I agree both parties have issues, R's would end public education altogether if they could and at least dems are trying althoughLowell seem misguided. Nevertheless, I'm sure Lowell will get sorted out in time unlike Uvalde.