Is internship a must for CS major?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. We are Indian-American. I would say it is an absolute must for my DS.

Perhaps OP is White, but we have to always include racism and bias in our calculus at all times. My kid is not going to be given handouts and he is not networked. Whatever he gets in life, he will get only because he is exponentially better than others. So yes, internships, independent projects, research etc...everything counts and is essential.

On my team of 30 developers, 3 are US born non-Indian and non-Asian (2 AA, one white). One is Iranian, one is Sudanese, one is Korean. The rest are Indian or Pakistani (i.e. not born in US). All are US citizens (US federal contractors).

TBH, Indian/Pakistani is somewhat the default.

Why do you think that is? Are white kids just late to the game (i.e. just now getting com sci degrees, whereas the Indian/Pakistani teammates you referenced were in comsci years ago?) Seems like 90% of kids these days are going to college for comsci degrees (or IT). When I read the college plans of schools like TJHSST, all I see are comsci degree kids. I am starting to wonder if there are going to be any medical doctors in 10 yrs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. We are Indian-American. I would say it is an absolute must for my DS.

Perhaps OP is White, but we have to always include racism and bias in our calculus at all times. My kid is not going to be given handouts and he is not networked. Whatever he gets in life, he will get only because he is exponentially better than others. So yes, internships, independent projects, research etc...everything counts and is essential.

On my team of 30 developers, 3 are US born non-Indian and non-Asian (2 AA, one white). One is Iranian, one is Sudanese, one is Korean. The rest are Indian or Pakistani (i.e. not born in US). All are US citizens (US federal contractors).

TBH, Indian/Pakistani is somewhat the default.

Why do you think that is? Are white kids just late to the game (i.e. just now getting com sci degrees, whereas the Indian/Pakistani teammates you referenced were in comsci years ago?) Seems like 90% of kids these days are going to college for comsci degrees (or IT). When I read the college plans of schools like TJHSST, all I see are comsci degree kids. I am starting to wonder if there are going to be any medical doctors in 10 yrs.

It's also a matter of population size. X% of the college kids in the US going into CS or affiliated fields is VERY different from the same % going into the same fields in India. CS has been seen as the ticket in India for a loooooong time now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One of my DS will be attending college in the fall with the intention to major in CS at UVA. I've always thought that an internship is "highly recommended" for a CS major after the 2nd or 3rd year; however, my recently graduated niece and nephews just disproved my way of thinking.

My niece recently graduated with a CS major from GMU. She graduated in three years through a combination of credits from AP courses in HS and summer classes at GMU and NVCC. Instead of summer internships, she took summer classes at GMU and NVCC. She got several job offers and accepted an offer from Google. Nephew #1 recently graduated with a CS degree from UVA school of engineering. He did the same thing as his cousin. He also got several job offers and accepted an offer from Microsoft. Nephew #2 recently graduated from VTech with the same profile as nephew #1, and he accepted an offer from Oracle.

All three graduated in three years and didn't do any internships while in college and yet they all got high paying offers from employers. That got me thinking, why even bothers with internships when you can graduate early and make more money that way?

Am I wrong on this?

Glad to hear this. DC is at UVA and having a hard time getting an internship. Hopefully it will work out soon.

Didn’t your kid go to the spring Career & Internship fair? Search on Handshake? LinkedIn presence w/link to GitHub? Trawl Indeed? Just plain ol’ network?
I will say that the closing dates for some applications are ridiculously early, like end of April 2022 for Summer 2023.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my DS will be attending college in the fall with the intention to major in CS at UVA. I've always thought that an internship is "highly recommended" for a CS major after the 2nd or 3rd year; however, my recently graduated niece and nephews just disproved my way of thinking.

My niece recently graduated with a CS major from GMU. She graduated in three years through a combination of credits from AP courses in HS and summer classes at GMU and NVCC. Instead of summer internships, she took summer classes at GMU and NVCC. She got several job offers and accepted an offer from Google. Nephew #1 recently graduated with a CS degree from UVA school of engineering. He did the same thing as his cousin. He also got several job offers and accepted an offer from Microsoft. Nephew #2 recently graduated from VTech with the same profile as nephew #1, and he accepted an offer from Oracle.

All three graduated in three years and didn't do any internships while in college and yet they all got high paying offers from employers. That got me thinking, why even bothers with internships when you can graduate early and make more money that way?

Am I wrong on this?

Glad to hear this. DC is at UVA and having a hard time getting an internship. Hopefully it will work out soon.

Didn’t your kid go to the spring Career & Internship fair? Search on Handshake? LinkedIn presence w/link to GitHub? Trawl Indeed? Just plain ol’ network?
I will say that the closing dates for some applications are ridiculously early, like end of April 2022 for Summer 2023.

For CS? A deadline a year ahead does not make sense, as employers would not know what courses the student was taking the following year, nor would they be prepared for tech interviews.

Deadlines a year ahead may be more common in investment banking, but not in CS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my DS will be attending college in the fall with the intention to major in CS at UVA. I've always thought that an internship is "highly recommended" for a CS major after the 2nd or 3rd year; however, my recently graduated niece and nephews just disproved my way of thinking.

My niece recently graduated with a CS major from GMU. She graduated in three years through a combination of credits from AP courses in HS and summer classes at GMU and NVCC. Instead of summer internships, she took summer classes at GMU and NVCC. She got several job offers and accepted an offer from Google. Nephew #1 recently graduated with a CS degree from UVA school of engineering. He did the same thing as his cousin. He also got several job offers and accepted an offer from Microsoft. Nephew #2 recently graduated from VTech with the same profile as nephew #1, and he accepted an offer from Oracle.

All three graduated in three years and didn't do any internships while in college and yet they all got high paying offers from employers. That got me thinking, why even bothers with internships when you can graduate early and make more money that way?

Am I wrong on this?

Glad to hear this. DC is at UVA and having a hard time getting an internship. Hopefully it will work out soon.

I think they just try to lure the top kids before someone else does. My neighbor's son got his Google offer in October (?) for this summer.

Didn’t your kid go to the spring Career & Internship fair? Search on Handshake? LinkedIn presence w/link to GitHub? Trawl Indeed? Just plain ol’ network?
I will say that the closing dates for some applications are ridiculously early, like end of April 2022 for Summer 2023.

For CS? A deadline a year ahead does not make sense, as employers would not know what courses the student was taking the following year, nor would they be prepared for tech interviews.

Deadlines a year ahead may be more common in investment banking, but not in CS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my DS will be attending college in the fall with the intention to major in CS at UVA. I've always thought that an internship is "highly recommended" for a CS major after the 2nd or 3rd year; however, my recently graduated niece and nephews just disproved my way of thinking.

My niece recently graduated with a CS major from GMU. She graduated in three years through a combination of credits from AP courses in HS and summer classes at GMU and NVCC. Instead of summer internships, she took summer classes at GMU and NVCC. She got several job offers and accepted an offer from Google. Nephew #1 recently graduated with a CS degree from UVA school of engineering. He did the same thing as his cousin. He also got several job offers and accepted an offer from Microsoft. Nephew #2 recently graduated from VTech with the same profile as nephew #1, and he accepted an offer from Oracle.

All three graduated in three years and didn't do any internships while in college and yet they all got high paying offers from employers. That got me thinking, why even bothers with internships when you can graduate early and make more money that way?

Am I wrong on this?

Glad to hear this. DC is at UVA and having a hard time getting an internship. Hopefully it will work out soon.

I think they just try to lure the top kids before someone else does. My neighbor's son got his Google offer in October (?) for this summer.

Didn’t your kid go to the spring Career & Internship fair? Search on Handshake? LinkedIn presence w/link to GitHub? Trawl Indeed? Just plain ol’ network?
I will say that the closing dates for some applications are ridiculously early, like end of April 2022 for Summer 2023.

For CS? A deadline a year ahead does not make sense, as employers would not know what courses the student was taking the following year, nor would they be prepared for tech interviews.

Deadlines a year ahead may be more common in investment banking, but not in CS.

I think they just try to lure the top kids before someone else does. My neighbor's son got his Google offer in October (?) for this summer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know of a kid- who is graduating from UMD- is hired at CApital One at 120 K with 15K sign on bonus.
She is Indian American.. not that it matters but since one poster brought up race into this.. I'm posting the race.

The young lady did do internships every year at Capital one..

The keyword here is "lady". A female will also have an advantage in the hiring process because companies are looking for diversity. An Asian male will have a higher hurdle to jump.

True. The highest hurdle in school, college and workplace is for Asian-American males. Yet, more power to these women, because their work-life balance is going to be shit in corporate America. So any leg-up they get is great.

- Indian-American mom of Indian-American DS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know of a kid- who is graduating from UMD- is hired at CApital One at 120 K with 15K sign on bonus.
She is Indian American.. not that it matters but since one poster brought up race into this.. I'm posting the race.

The young lady did do internships every year at Capital one..

Does she have a master's degree in CS, or just a bachelor's degree?

Bachelor's - graduated this month

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. We are Indian-American. I would say it is an absolute must for my DS.

Perhaps OP is White, but we have to always include racism and bias in our calculus at all times. My kid is not going to be given handouts and he is not networked. Whatever he gets in life, he will get only because he is exponentially better than others. So yes, internships, independent projects, research etc...everything counts and is essential.

On my team of 30 developers, 3 are US born non-Indian and non-Asian (2 AA, one white). One is Iranian, one is Sudanese, one is Korean. The rest are Indian or Pakistani (i.e. not born in US). All are US citizens (US federal contractors).

TBH, Indian/Pakistani is somewhat the default.

Why do you think that is? Are white kids just late to the game (i.e. just now getting com sci degrees, whereas the Indian/Pakistani teammates you referenced were in comsci years ago?) Seems like 90% of kids these days are going to college for comsci degrees (or IT). When I read the college plans of schools like TJHSST, all I see are comsci degree kids. I am starting to wonder if there are going to be any medical doctors in 10 yrs.

Medical doctors are getting imported from India. Mainly because 4 year medical school in India starts after 12th grade, unlike US. Fully qualified young doctors come from India to the US, do their residency all over again (while being paid a stipend) to be able to practice here, and before you know the American dream is theirs. Without the stress of student debt, or unemployment, or being able to clear medical school.

It will be ridiculous for my kids to become medical doctors in US by studying in US medical college because medical college starts after 4 years of undergrad. It costs money and precious years of your youth (20s and 30s) where you have basically not even enjoyed life, dated, married, travelled, or built up a nest egg. Then these people come out with huge debts and a paycheck that a newly minted CS grad is getting.

My CS kid is getting $$$ in merit aid to do CS. We are UMC with 100% EFC. Our only cost will be the money for his food and car. He will already be ahead by 200K by the time he finishes his degree. And he will start earning by 21.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. We are Indian-American. I would say it is an absolute must for my DS.

Perhaps OP is White, but we have to always include racism and bias in our calculus at all times. My kid is not going to be given handouts and he is not networked. Whatever he gets in life, he will get only because he is exponentially better than others. So yes, internships, independent projects, research etc...everything counts and is essential.

On my team of 30 developers, 3 are US born non-Indian and non-Asian (2 AA, one white). One is Iranian, one is Sudanese, one is Korean. The rest are Indian or Pakistani (i.e. not born in US). All are US citizens (US federal contractors).

TBH, Indian/Pakistani is somewhat the default.

Why do you think that is? Are white kids just late to the game (i.e. just now getting com sci degrees, whereas the Indian/Pakistani teammates you referenced were in comsci years ago?) Seems like 90% of kids these days are going to college for comsci degrees (or IT). When I read the college plans of schools like TJHSST, all I see are comsci degree kids. I am starting to wonder if there are going to be any medical doctors in 10 yrs.

Often they are paid much less....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. We are Indian-American. I would say it is an absolute must for my DS.

Perhaps OP is White, but we have to always include racism and bias in our calculus at all times. My kid is not going to be given handouts and he is not networked. Whatever he gets in life, he will get only because he is exponentially better than others. So yes, internships, independent projects, research etc...everything counts and is essential.

On my team of 30 developers, 3 are US born non-Indian and non-Asian (2 AA, one white). One is Iranian, one is Sudanese, one is Korean. The rest are Indian or Pakistani (i.e. not born in US). All are US citizens (US federal contractors).

TBH, Indian/Pakistani is somewhat the default.

Why do you think that is? Are white kids just late to the game (i.e. just now getting com sci degrees, whereas the Indian/Pakistani teammates you referenced were in comsci years ago?) Seems like 90% of kids these days are going to college for comsci degrees (or IT). When I read the college plans of schools like TJHSST, all I see are comsci degree kids. I am starting to wonder if there are going to be any medical doctors in 10 yrs.

Medical doctors are getting imported from India. Mainly because 4 year medical school in India starts after 12th grade, unlike US. Fully qualified young doctors come from India to the US, do their residency all over again (while being paid a stipend) to be able to practice here, and before you know the American dream is theirs. Without the stress of student debt, or unemployment, or being able to clear medical school.

It will be ridiculous for my kids to become medical doctors in US by studying in US medical college because medical college starts after 4 years of undergrad. It costs money and precious years of your youth (20s and 30s) where you have basically not even enjoyed life, dated, married, travelled, or built up a nest egg. Then these people come out with huge debts and a paycheck that a newly minted CS grad is getting.

My CS kid is getting $$$ in merit aid to do CS. We are UMC with 100% EFC. Our only cost will be the money for his food and car. He will already be ahead by 200K by the time he finishes his degree. And he will start earning by 21.

Having a medical degree= job security YOu can say what you want but if the kid is passionate he will be a great medical doctor and they can pay off their loans quickly too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. We are Indian-American. I would say it is an absolute must for my DS.

Perhaps OP is White, but we have to always include racism and bias in our calculus at all times. My kid is not going to be given handouts and he is not networked. Whatever he gets in life, he will get only because he is exponentially better than others. So yes, internships, independent projects, research etc...everything counts and is essential.

On my team of 30 developers, 3 are US born non-Indian and non-Asian (2 AA, one white). One is Iranian, one is Sudanese, one is Korean. The rest are Indian or Pakistani (i.e. not born in US). All are US citizens (US federal contractors).

TBH, Indian/Pakistani is somewhat the default.

Why do you think that is? Are white kids just late to the game (i.e. just now getting com sci degrees, whereas the Indian/Pakistani teammates you referenced were in comsci years ago?) Seems like 90% of kids these days are going to college for comsci degrees (or IT). When I read the college plans of schools like TJHSST, all I see are comsci degree kids. I am starting to wonder if there are going to be any medical doctors in 10 yrs.

Medical doctors are getting imported from India. Mainly because 4 year medical school in India starts after 12th grade, unlike US. Fully qualified young doctors come from India to the US, do their residency all over again (while being paid a stipend) to be able to practice here, and before you know the American dream is theirs. Without the stress of student debt, or unemployment, or being able to clear medical school.

It will be ridiculous for my kids to become medical doctors in US by studying in US medical college because medical college starts after 4 years of undergrad. It costs money and precious years of your youth (20s and 30s) where you have basically not even enjoyed life, dated, married, travelled, or built up a nest egg. Then these people come out with huge debts and a paycheck that a newly minted CS grad is getting.

My CS kid is getting $$$ in merit aid to do CS. We are UMC with 100% EFC. Our only cost will be the money for his food and car. He will already be ahead by 200K by the time he finishes his degree. And he will start earning by 21.

Having a medical degree= job security YOu can say what you want but if the kid is passionate he will be a great medical doctor and they can pay off their loans quickly too.

Its not always easy getting a medical degree and often CS folks make more than doctors. My CS degree spouse makes more than my internal medicine sibling. The CS degree depending on what you do can be equal job security.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my DS will be attending college in the fall with the intention to major in CS at UVA. I've always thought that an internship is "highly recommended" for a CS major after the 2nd or 3rd year; however, my recently graduated niece and nephews just disproved my way of thinking.

My niece recently graduated with a CS major from GMU. She graduated in three years through a combination of credits from AP courses in HS and summer classes at GMU and NVCC. Instead of summer internships, she took summer classes at GMU and NVCC. She got several job offers and accepted an offer from Google. Nephew #1 recently graduated with a CS degree from UVA school of engineering. He did the same thing as his cousin. He also got several job offers and accepted an offer from Microsoft. Nephew #2 recently graduated from VTech with the same profile as nephew #1, and he accepted an offer from Oracle.

All three graduated in three years and didn't do any internships while in college and yet they all got high paying offers from employers. That got me thinking, why even bothers with internships when you can graduate early and make more money that way?

Am I wrong on this?

Glad to hear this. DC is at UVA and having a hard time getting an internship. Hopefully it will work out soon.

Didn’t your kid go to the spring Career & Internship fair? Search on Handshake? LinkedIn presence w/link to GitHub? Trawl Indeed? Just plain ol’ network?
I will say that the closing dates for some applications are ridiculously early, like end of April 2022 for Summer 2023.

For CS? A deadline a year ahead does not make sense, as employers would not know what courses the student was taking the following year, nor would they be prepared for tech interviews.

Deadlines a year ahead may be more common in investment banking, but not in CS.

Wrong

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes. We are Indian-American. I would say it is an absolute must for my DS.

Perhaps OP is White, but we have to always include racism and bias in our calculus at all times. My kid is not going to be given handouts and he is not networked. Whatever he gets in life, he will get only because he is exponentially better than others. So yes, internships, independent projects, research etc...everything counts and is essential.

On my team of 30 developers, 3 are US born non-Indian and non-Asian (2 AA, one white). One is Iranian, one is Sudanese, one is Korean. The rest are Indian or Pakistani (i.e. not born in US). All are US citizens (US federal contractors).

TBH, Indian/Pakistani is somewhat the default.

Why do you think that is? Are white kids just late to the game (i.e. just now getting com sci degrees, whereas the Indian/Pakistani teammates you referenced were in comsci years ago?) Seems like 90% of kids these days are going to college for comsci degrees (or IT). When I read the college plans of schools like TJHSST, all I see are comsci degree kids. I am starting to wonder if there are going to be any medical doctors in 10 yrs.

Medical doctors are getting imported from India. Mainly because 4 year medical school in India starts after 12th grade, unlike US. Fully qualified young doctors come from India to the US, do their residency all over again (while being paid a stipend) to be able to practice here, and before you know the American dream is theirs. Without the stress of student debt, or unemployment, or being able to clear medical school.

It will be ridiculous for my kids to become medical doctors in US by studying in US medical college because medical college starts after 4 years of undergrad. It costs money and precious years of your youth (20s and 30s) where you have basically not even enjoyed life, dated, married, travelled, or built up a nest egg. Then these people come out with huge debts and a paycheck that a newly minted CS grad is getting.

My CS kid is getting $$$ in merit aid to do CS. We are UMC with 100% EFC. Our only cost will be the money for his food and car. He will already be ahead by 200K by the time he finishes his degree. And he will start earning by 21.

Having a medical degree= job security YOu can say what you want but if the kid is passionate he will be a great medical doctor and they can pay off their loans quickly too.

I don’t trust the lack of basic science education reflected in the Indian system and among Indian doctors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:One of my DS will be attending college in the fall with the intention to major in CS at UVA. I've always thought that an internship is "highly recommended" for a CS major after the 2nd or 3rd year; however, my recently graduated niece and nephews just disproved my way of thinking.

My niece recently graduated with a CS major from GMU. She graduated in three years through a combination of credits from AP courses in HS and summer classes at GMU and NVCC. Instead of summer internships, she took summer classes at GMU and NVCC. She got several job offers and accepted an offer from Google. Nephew #1 recently graduated with a CS degree from UVA school of engineering. He did the same thing as his cousin. He also got several job offers and accepted an offer from Microsoft. Nephew #2 recently graduated from VTech with the same profile as nephew #1, and he accepted an offer from Oracle.

All three graduated in three years and didn't do any internships while in college and yet they all got high paying offers from employers. That got me thinking, why even bothers with internships when you can graduate early and make more money that way?

Am I wrong on this?

Glad to hear this. DC is at UVA and having a hard time getting an internship. Hopefully it will work out soon.

Didn’t your kid go to the spring Career & Internship fair? Search on Handshake? LinkedIn presence w/link to GitHub? Trawl Indeed? Just plain ol’ network?
I will say that the closing dates for some applications are ridiculously early, like end of April 2022 for Summer 2023.

For CS? A deadline a year ahead does not make sense, as employers would not know what courses the student was taking the following year, nor would they be prepared for tech interviews.

Deadlines a year ahead may be more common in investment banking, but not in CS.

Wrong

Can you link to an internship posting that lists a deadline to apply for summer 2023?