Explain to my Grandpa Gender Indentity

[Anonymous]

How is this really different than feeling like you shouldn’t have any other body parts a la transable people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is this really different than feeling like you shouldn’t have any other body parts a la transable people?

I don’t understand this question

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Anonymous wrote:I think he’s being awkward on purpose. Like a lot of conservatives or older people. He’s not really trying to understand.

I don’t read the OP’s post like that at all. I can certainly believe an elderly man would question this and sincerely want an answer. Isn’t that what we would want? People to open minds and listen to new information/perspectives? I don’t automatically assume ill intent.

I agree. But this is what the anonymous internet does. Assume ill intent at all times so they can vent their spleen on strangers. It's bizarre how angry everyone is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is this really different than feeling like you shouldn’t have any other body parts a la transable people?

I don’t understand this question

What the poster is referring to is BIID (body integrity identity disorder). Those with it feel a disconnection with a certain body part such as a limb and often times they have a desire to amputate it to relieve their discomfort. It is actually a fascinating yet understudied disorder. Some experts theorize it may be due to body map issue in the brain. If you read about those with it they do sound similar to those who suffer from gender dysphoria. The question is do you allow patients with this to amputate a healthy limb to alleviate their discomfort similar to a person with gender dysphoria getting a mastectomy or SRS? I think the poster is asking really what is the difference between the two?

[Anonymous]

I would put the question back to grandpa as to how he would define a woman to show how tricky a concept it really is. If it’s having a uterus, what about women who have had hysterectomies? If it’s not having a Y chromosome, what about people with Swyer syndrome who have XY chromosomes but develop female reproductive organs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is this really different than feeling like you shouldn’t have any other body parts a la transable people?

I don’t understand this question

What the poster is referring to is BIID (body integrity identity disorder). Those with it feel a disconnection with a certain body part such as a limb and often times they have a desire to amputate it to relieve their discomfort. It is actually a fascinating yet understudied disorder. Some experts theorize it may be due to body map issue in the brain. If you read about those with it they do sound similar to those who suffer from gender dysphoria. The question is do you allow patients with this to amputate a healthy limb to alleviate their discomfort similar to a person with gender dysphoria getting a mastectomy or SRS? I think the poster is asking really what is the difference between the two?

Transgender people want to move from one healthy body state to another body healthy state.
The only functional loss is sterility, and in nearly all cases this is a major concern for the trans person. If it were medically possible to have functioning cross sex reproduction system, they would. Often times, trans people freeze sperm or eggs prior to transition even if they don't think they want bio children. Gender dysphoria includes a lot more than simply removing body parts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is this really different than feeling like you shouldn’t have any other body parts a la transable people?

I don’t understand this question

What the poster is referring to is BIID (body integrity identity disorder). Those with it feel a disconnection with a certain body part such as a limb and often times they have a desire to amputate it to relieve their discomfort. It is actually a fascinating yet understudied disorder. Some experts theorize it may be due to body map issue in the brain. If you read about those with it they do sound similar to those who suffer from gender dysphoria. The question is do you allow patients with this to amputate a healthy limb to alleviate their discomfort similar to a person with gender dysphoria getting a mastectomy or SRS? I think the poster is asking really what is the difference between the two?

Transgender people want to move from one healthy body state to another body healthy state.
The only functional loss is sterility, and in nearly all cases this is a major concern for the trans person. If it were medically possible to have functioning cross sex reproduction system, they would. Often times, trans people freeze sperm or eggs prior to transition even if they don't think they want bio children. Gender dysphoria includes a lot more than simply removing body parts.

But in both cases they are removing healthy body parts or modifying their body in a goal to relieve their discomfort. Transgender surgeries especially SRS have the potential for serious complications and hormones can put them at higher risk for health problems. How is it any different for a person with BIID to remove a healthy limb so they can feel relief? Why is one considered ethically ok but not the other?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is this really different than feeling like you shouldn’t have any other body parts a la transable people?

I don’t understand this question

What the poster is referring to is BIID (body integrity identity disorder). Those with it feel a disconnection with a certain body part such as a limb and often times they have a desire to amputate it to relieve their discomfort. It is actually a fascinating yet understudied disorder. Some experts theorize it may be due to body map issue in the brain. If you read about those with it they do sound similar to those who suffer from gender dysphoria. The question is do you allow patients with this to amputate a healthy limb to alleviate their discomfort similar to a person with gender dysphoria getting a mastectomy or SRS? I think the poster is asking really what is the difference between the two?

Transgender people want to move from one healthy body state to another body healthy state.
The only functional loss is sterility, and in nearly all cases this is a major concern for the trans person. If it were medically possible to have functioning cross sex reproduction system, they would. Often times, trans people freeze sperm or eggs prior to transition even if they don't think they want bio children. Gender dysphoria includes a lot more than simply removing body parts.

But in both cases they are removing healthy body parts or modifying their body in a goal to relieve their discomfort. Transgender surgeries especially SRS have the potential for serious complications and hormones can put them at higher risk for health problems. How is it any different for a person with BIID to remove a healthy limb so they can feel relief? Why is one considered ethically ok but not the other?

I don't know, ask a psychiatrist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How is this really different than feeling like you shouldn’t have any other body parts a la transable people?

I don’t understand this question

What the poster is referring to is BIID (body integrity identity disorder). Those with it feel a disconnection with a certain body part such as a limb and often times they have a desire to amputate it to relieve their discomfort. It is actually a fascinating yet understudied disorder. Some experts theorize it may be due to body map issue in the brain. If you read about those with it they do sound similar to those who suffer from gender dysphoria. The question is do you allow patients with this to amputate a healthy limb to alleviate their discomfort similar to a person with gender dysphoria getting a mastectomy or SRS? I think the poster is asking really what is the difference between the two?

Transgender people want to move from one healthy body state to another body healthy state.
The only functional loss is sterility, and in nearly all cases this is a major concern for the trans person. If it were medically possible to have functioning cross sex reproduction system, they would. Often times, trans people freeze sperm or eggs prior to transition even if they don't think they want bio children. Gender dysphoria includes a lot more than simply removing body parts.

But in both cases they are removing healthy body parts or modifying their body in a goal to relieve their discomfort. Transgender surgeries especially SRS have the potential for serious complications and hormones can put them at higher risk for health problems. How is it any different for a person with BIID to remove a healthy limb so they can feel relief? Why is one considered ethically ok but not the other?

I don't know if they're different (not my field and I just learned about BIID right now) but I don't see why someone shouldn't be allowed to electively have their hand amputated or whatever if they want to? The only person it potentially harms is them and if they're an adult capable of consent this really seems like their own call, just like any other cosmetic surgery. I don't have anything against anyone getting boob jobs and that seems like basically the same thing to me.