Why do conservatives view themselves as the only “Real Americans”?

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Anonymous wrote:The same reason Nazi's were the only real Germans. It's easier to make an insular us vs them group if the rest of us are also "real Americans". It's radicalization talk that prevents them from thinking for themselves on any topic and possibly disagreeing with far right ideology on any topics.

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They want to ignore the whole libertarian and free from persecution strands of our society and want to jam their ethno white christian nationalism on the rest of us.

Exactly!

Real Americans support lower taxes, fewer business regulations, fewer brown immigrants, a boarder wall, and forcing LGBTQ people back into the closet. The implication here that liberals aren't "real Americans" and that any conservative that may disagree with any of these positions (and many others) or even have nuanced views of them are also not "real Americans". It forces more moderate conservatives into more extremist views. I mean, you don't want to tell your conservative friends that you think gay marriage is okay and that you attended your gay cousins wedding do you? That would make you a fake American.

All of which supports my thesis that the defining characteristic of modern Republicans is to be a bully. Bullying is the grease that lubricates the gears of the conservative hate machine.

Professor Frank Wilhot said it best:

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."

I can see many, many examples of this at work.

For the in-group, this statement makes clear why there were such vehement protests against lockdowns and vaccine mandates by conservatives during the pandemic or against any form of restrictions on gun rights - each would be a case of actually binding conservatives.
You can see how there are "rules for thee, but not for me" hypocrisy by Republican politicians. Just look at the GOP broken beyond repair thread.
Same with paying taxes. Isn't that just for losers according to the former President? Same with not being held to account (at least to date) across a wide range of alleged crimes. Crime is only for the poor, amirite?

On the other hand, for outgroups, you can see the issues with mandatory sentencing, the war on drugs (e.g., drug arrests for marijuana versus crack cocaine or the opioid epidemic), and police brutality against out minorities as ways to bind them but not protect them. Same with Florida's new anti-LGBTQ law and similar ones. Same with the anti-abortion laws in Texas and elsewhere. None of these protect minorities or women, but they certainly bind them.

What? Nonsense. Many non-conservatives are also against Covid nonsense and vax mandates and passports. It's why democrats are losing votes and VA is now a red state. Wake the f up. And speaking of hypocrisy, plenty of examples where Democratic politicians pushing the harshest Covid restrictions were seen in public unmasked, attending parties, traveling, etc. All the things they told their constituents to stop doing they did.

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No the point is, the US is doing right by it’s minorities better than any other country. Hardly a cause for uprooting our institutions or hand wring over silly concepts. For example, I want our generals worrying about how to defeat our enemies rather than navel gazing and trying to understand the roots of white rage.


Wrong.

Systemic white racism against BIPOC peoples is the worst by far in the USA.

Spoken by someone who seems not to have travelled. The average white European is far more racist than the average American. America's not perfect but we ascribe to a country built on a set of idealistic goals. That's the cleft that Trump has exposed in the Republican party. There are those conservatives---Bill Kristol, Anne Applebaum, Kathleen Parker, Liz Cheney (basically all the anti-Trump republicans) who believe in those ideals. And then there are those Republicans who ONLY believe in those goals if the group at the top of the wealth/power pyramid remains predominantly white, judeo-Christian, and male. At the heart of that second group---who now control the Republican party---and their supporters is fear. Fear of payback. Fear that eventually what will be done to them is what was done to other marginalized groups for the preceding 400 years on this continent. That is why the response to the 1619 project and other CRT type historical initiatives is so visceral. They view those works as laying the groundwork for an eventual wealth redistribution program. What they don't understand is that the route they are pursuing---increasing income inequality and wealth concentration in the hands of a billionaire class---will result in that type of wealth redistribution revolution much faster. The Dems need to stop with the focus on systemic racism grievances---as that narrative plays to Republican fear mongering---and focus on middle class wealth rebuilding. A vibrant middle class comprised of all colors of people is what we need.

[Anonymous]

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No the point is, the US is doing right by it’s minorities better than any other country. Hardly a cause for uprooting our institutions or hand wring over silly concepts. For example, I want our generals worrying about how to defeat our enemies rather than navel gazing and trying to understand the roots of white rage.


Wrong.

Systemic white racism against BIPOC peoples is the worst by far in the USA.

Spoken by someone who seems not to have travelled. The average white European is far more racist than the average American. America's not perfect but we ascribe to a country built on a set of idealistic goals. That's the cleft that Trump has exposed in the Republican party. There are those conservatives---Bill Kristol, Anne Applebaum, Kathleen Parker, Liz Cheney (basically all the anti-Trump republicans) who believe in those ideals. And then there are those Republicans who ONLY believe in those goals if the group at the top of the wealth/power pyramid remains predominantly white, judeo-Christian, and male. At the heart of that second group---who now control the Republican party---and their supporters is fear. Fear of payback. Fear that eventually what will be done to them is what was done to other marginalized groups for the preceding 400 years on this continent. That is why the response to the 1619 project and other CRT type historical initiatives is so visceral. They view those works as laying the groundwork for an eventual wealth redistribution program. What they don't understand is that the route they are pursuing---increasing income inequality and wealth concentration in the hands of a billionaire class---will result in that type of wealth redistribution revolution much faster. The Dems need to stop with the focus on systemic racism grievances---as that narrative plays to Republican fear mongering---and focus on middle class wealth rebuilding. A vibrant middle class comprised of all colors of people is what we need.

You don’t seem to understand the term “systemic.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

No the point is, the US is doing right by it’s minorities better than any other country. Hardly a cause for uprooting our institutions or hand wring over silly concepts. For example, I want our generals worrying about how to defeat our enemies rather than navel gazing and trying to understand the roots of white rage.


Wrong.

Systemic white racism against BIPOC peoples is the worst by far in the USA.

Spoken by someone who seems not to have travelled. The average white European is far more racist than the average American. America's not perfect but we ascribe to a country built on a set of idealistic goals. That's the cleft that Trump has exposed in the Republican party. There are those conservatives---Bill Kristol, Anne Applebaum, Kathleen Parker, Liz Cheney (basically all the anti-Trump republicans) who believe in those ideals. And then there are those Republicans who ONLY believe in those goals if the group at the top of the wealth/power pyramid remains predominantly white, judeo-Christian, and male. At the heart of that second group---who now control the Republican party---and their supporters is fear. Fear of payback. Fear that eventually what will be done to them is what was done to other marginalized groups for the preceding 400 years on this continent. That is why the response to the 1619 project and other CRT type historical initiatives is so visceral. They view those works as laying the groundwork for an eventual wealth redistribution program. What they don't understand is that the route they are pursuing---increasing income inequality and wealth concentration in the hands of a billionaire class---will result in that type of wealth redistribution revolution much faster. The Dems need to stop with the focus on systemic racism grievances---as that narrative plays to Republican fear mongering---and focus on middle class wealth rebuilding. A vibrant middle class comprised of all colors of people is what we need.

You don’t seem to understand the term “systemic.”

Or the difference between ethnic homeland countries vs the USA where nobody other than American Indians can claim historic ethnic legitimacy.

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Anonymous wrote:It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with love for your country, reverence for the constitution, a desire to not see the Balkanization of the USA, etc. You guys are so funny.

Of course, the document that professes “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” that was written by white male slaveholders and explicitly omitted the right to vote for, well, anyone except a rich white male. Keep that in mind next time someone calls themselves an “originalist.”

- the essence of divisive identity politics, on full display in the bolded portion above.

Is “divide and tear down” the progressives’ motto?

Is anything in the bolded untrue, though?

Yes divide and tear down is exactly the progressive way. And they don’t know how to build a darn thing so it is a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So as expected, this just boils down to race. And that's to be expected. It is the only lens the left has. They must divide by race...and keep reminding everyone of how bad Africans were treated. Slavery is bad wherever it has existed and wherever it currently exists today. But let's talk about today. Because there are obviously problems today that can be addressed. I will stipulate that there are racial problems in America today, only if the left will stipulate that the USA has the least such problems of any country anywhere in the world.

There is a playbook to success that the US kind of publishes on the down low. Everyone knows what is in the playbook. Many many people, from all walks of life, have used this playbook to build better lives for themselves here. And many people are clamoring to get into the USA because they know and trust in this playbook. This playbook has allowed a diversity of individuals to ascend to heights, whether they be small business owners, musicians, actors, athletes, lawyers, doctors, judges, generals, diplomats, vice presidents, presidents, public servants, professors, etc. I'd like to know why the left doesn't want to talk about this playbook more. It seems like it would certainly benefit some of their constituency to know more about it.

LatinX / BIPOC.

Put everyone in separate baskets.

And this is the root of conservatives. I will only agree that racism exists if you agree that minorities have it worse elsewhere nananana boo boo

Both can be true and not need the other to support it. You can say- Racism exists in the USA. Discrimination against minority populations exists throughout the world. Neither nullifies or promotes the other. You are wanting some sort of negotiation for a substantiated fact.

No the point is, the US is doing right by it’s minorities better than any other country. Hardly a cause for uprooting our institutions or hand wring over silly concepts. For example, I want our generals worrying about how to defeat our enemies rather than navel gazing and trying to understand the roots of white rage.

Wrong.

Systemic white racism against BIPOC peoples is the worst by far in the USA.

You have no idea. I would say genocide is the worst type of racism. Look at the world around you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No the point is, the US is doing right by it’s minorities better than any other country. Hardly a cause for uprooting our institutions or hand wring over silly concepts. For example, I want our generals worrying about how to defeat our enemies rather than navel gazing and trying to understand the roots of white rage.


Wrong.

Systemic white racism against BIPOC peoples is the worst by far in the USA.

Spoken by someone who seems not to have travelled. The average white European is far more racist than the average American. America's not perfect but we ascribe to a country built on a set of idealistic goals. That's the cleft that Trump has exposed in the Republican party. There are those conservatives---Bill Kristol, Anne Applebaum, Kathleen Parker, Liz Cheney (basically all the anti-Trump republicans) who believe in those ideals. And then there are those Republicans who ONLY believe in those goals if the group at the top of the wealth/power pyramid remains predominantly white, judeo-Christian, and male. At the heart of that second group---who now control the Republican party---and their supporters is fear. Fear of payback. Fear that eventually what will be done to them is what was done to other marginalized groups for the preceding 400 years on this continent. That is why the response to the 1619 project and other CRT type historical initiatives is so visceral. They view those works as laying the groundwork for an eventual wealth redistribution program. What they don't understand is that the route they are pursuing---increasing income inequality and wealth concentration in the hands of a billionaire class---will result in that type of wealth redistribution revolution much faster. The Dems need to stop with the focus on systemic racism grievances---as that narrative plays to Republican fear mongering---and focus on middle class wealth rebuilding. A vibrant middle class comprised of all colors of people is what we need.

You don’t seem to understand the term “systemic.”

She also thinks Anne Applebaum is a republican.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with love for your country, reverence for the constitution, a desire to not see the Balkanization of the USA, etc. You guys are so funny.

Of course, the document that professes “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” that was written by white male slaveholders and explicitly omitted the right to vote for, well, anyone except a rich white male. Keep that in mind next time someone calls themselves an “originalist.”

- the essence of divisive identity politics, on full display in the bolded portion above.

Is “divide and tear down” the progressives’ motto?

Is anything in the bolded untrue, though?

Yes divide and tear down is exactly the progressive way. And they don’t know how to build a darn thing so it is a problem.

they built the current insurance system that the GOP has failed to dismantle. What is the GOP replacement for it? What was the GOP infrastructure bill?

Please. GOP tears things down and guts them out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So as expected, this just boils down to race. And that's to be expected. It is the only lens the left has. They must divide by race...and keep reminding everyone of how bad Africans were treated. Slavery is bad wherever it has existed and wherever it currently exists today. But let's talk about today. Because there are obviously problems today that can be addressed. I will stipulate that there are racial problems in America today, only if the left will stipulate that the USA has the least such problems of any country anywhere in the world.

There is a playbook to success that the US kind of publishes on the down low. Everyone knows what is in the playbook. Many many people, from all walks of life, have used this playbook to build better lives for themselves here. And many people are clamoring to get into the USA because they know and trust in this playbook. This playbook has allowed a diversity of individuals to ascend to heights, whether they be small business owners, musicians, actors, athletes, lawyers, doctors, judges, generals, diplomats, vice presidents, presidents, public servants, professors, etc. I'd like to know why the left doesn't want to talk about this playbook more. It seems like it would certainly benefit some of their constituency to know more about it.

LatinX / BIPOC.

Put everyone in separate baskets.

And this is the root of conservatives. I will only agree that racism exists if you agree that minorities have it worse elsewhere nananana boo boo

Both can be true and not need the other to support it. You can say- Racism exists in the USA. Discrimination against minority populations exists throughout the world. Neither nullifies or promotes the other. You are wanting some sort of negotiation for a substantiated fact.

No the point is, the US is doing right by it’s minorities better than any other country. Hardly a cause for uprooting our institutions or hand wring over silly concepts. For example, I want our generals worrying about how to defeat our enemies rather than navel gazing and trying to understand the roots of white rage.

This could only be typed by a white person who has no experience being a minority in the US or any other country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So as expected, this just boils down to race. And that's to be expected. It is the only lens the left has. They must divide by race...and keep reminding everyone of how bad Africans were treated. Slavery is bad wherever it has existed and wherever it currently exists today. But let's talk about today. Because there are obviously problems today that can be addressed. I will stipulate that there are racial problems in America today, only if the left will stipulate that the USA has the least such problems of any country anywhere in the world.

There is a playbook to success that the US kind of publishes on the down low. Everyone knows what is in the playbook. Many many people, from all walks of life, have used this playbook to build better lives for themselves here. And many people are clamoring to get into the USA because they know and trust in this playbook. This playbook has allowed a diversity of individuals to ascend to heights, whether they be small business owners, musicians, actors, athletes, lawyers, doctors, judges, generals, diplomats, vice presidents, presidents, public servants, professors, etc. I'd like to know why the left doesn't want to talk about this playbook more. It seems like it would certainly benefit some of their constituency to know more about it.

LatinX / BIPOC.

Put everyone in separate baskets.

You realize it is the right that balkanizes and creates the myth of the other to keep people down, right?

[Anonymous]

It is really strange! I travel to the Midwest every summer with my kids. At a party, a man told me he thought it was great that I brought my kids to meet “real Americans.” He said this in front of my 10 yo son, who was totally confused. He said, “I thought we were Americans.” I said, we are. What I really wanted to tell him is we are all Americans but he is an a$$hole. But I just smiled and thought it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So as expected, this just boils down to race. And that's to be expected. It is the only lens the left has. They must divide by race...and keep reminding everyone of how bad Africans were treated. Slavery is bad wherever it has existed and wherever it currently exists today. But let's talk about today. Because there are obviously problems today that can be addressed. I will stipulate that there are racial problems in America today, only if the left will stipulate that the USA has the least such problems of any country anywhere in the world.

There is a playbook to success that the US kind of publishes on the down low. Everyone knows what is in the playbook. Many many people, from all walks of life, have used this playbook to build better lives for themselves here. And many people are clamoring to get into the USA because they know and trust in this playbook. This playbook has allowed a diversity of individuals to ascend to heights, whether they be small business owners, musicians, actors, athletes, lawyers, doctors, judges, generals, diplomats, vice presidents, presidents, public servants, professors, etc. I'd like to know why the left doesn't want to talk about this playbook more. It seems like it would certainly benefit some of their constituency to know more about it.

LatinX / BIPOC.

Put everyone in separate baskets.

And this is the root of conservatives. I will only agree that racism exists if you agree that minorities have it worse elsewhere nananana boo boo

Both can be true and not need the other to support it. You can say- Racism exists in the USA. Discrimination against minority populations exists throughout the world. Neither nullifies or promotes the other. You are wanting some sort of negotiation for a substantiated fact.

No the point is, the US is doing right by it’s minorities better than any other country. Hardly a cause for uprooting our institutions or hand wring over silly concepts. For example, I want our generals worrying about how to defeat our enemies rather than navel gazing and trying to understand the roots of white rage.

This could only be typed by a white person who has no experience being a minority in the US or any other country.

Completely agree with your assessment. Ignorance is bliss for that poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with love for your country, reverence for the constitution, a desire to not see the Balkanization of the USA, etc. You guys are so funny.

Of course, the document that professes “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” that was written by white male slaveholders and explicitly omitted the right to vote for, well, anyone except a rich white male. Keep that in mind next time someone calls themselves an “originalist.”

- the essence of divisive identity politics, on full display in the bolded portion above.

Is “divide and tear down” the progressives’ motto?

Is anything in the bolded untrue, though?

Yes divide and tear down is exactly the progressive way. And they don’t know how to build a darn thing so it is a problem.

they built the current insurance system that the GOP has failed to dismantle. What is the GOP replacement for it? What was the GOP infrastructure bill?

Please. GOP tears things down and guts them out.

“Insurance system” and inflation. I am sorry your additional government checks have stopped.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why are progressives so intolerant and closed minded? Why do arrogant progressives viscerally HATE the Unites States?

Eg,

‘Murcia!

Free-dumb!

I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not. But assuming it isn’t, liberals love their country like adults, whereas conservatives love it like a 4 year old loves their mommy.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with love for your country, reverence for the constitution, a desire to not see the Balkanization of the USA, etc. You guys are so funny.

Of course, the document that professes “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” that was written by white male slaveholders and explicitly omitted the right to vote for, well, anyone except a rich white male. Keep that in mind next time someone calls themselves an “originalist.”

- the essence of divisive identity politics, on full display in the bolded portion above.

Is “divide and tear down” the progressives’ motto?

Is anything in the bolded untrue, though?

Yes divide and tear down is exactly the progressive way. And they don’t know how to build a darn thing so it is a problem.

they built the current insurance system that the GOP has failed to dismantle. What is the GOP replacement for it? What was the GOP infrastructure bill?

Please. GOP tears things down and guts them out.

“Insurance system” and inflation. I am sorry your additional government checks have stopped.

Oh, you mean the insurance system that has led to an additional 12 million people gaining coverage, prohibited the practice of denying coverage for preexisting conditions, and hasn't blown up the deficit or gutted the generosity of employment-sponsored benefits that Republicans were arguing in bad faith? And the inflation that every advanced economy is currently experiencing because of a worldwide supply shock? That "insurance system" and inflation?

Jesus Christ. Are you purposely posting in bad faith here or are you just that ignorant?