Old VMPI plans & FCPS’s E3 Math Pilot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All of the bad ideas encompassed in VMPI are still in play at the Virginia Board of Education.

It appears the BOE plans to implement the ideas (without attaching the VMPI name) through the required 7-year review of the Virginia math SOL.

You have a say, however.

Please respond at this link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdNJYWjS_7VbO4682TGHfajGnbgZM1Xzhczv9RQKyuBcIg2eA/viewform

And let the DOE you oppose E3 and the ideas underlying the VMPI, including the elimination of higher math prior to 11th grade, and also oppose “blending” math concepts.

Yes, yes, by all means oppose any new ideas in mathematics education that might address the fact that US students don't really excel in math. We should definitely keep teaching mat exactly as we have since the beginning of time.

[Anonymous]

Math scores stink in America. Other countries teach it differently - and see higher achievement.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/02/28/math-scores-high-school-lessons-freakonomics-pisa-algebra-geometry/4835742002/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the bad ideas encompassed in VMPI are still in play at the Virginia Board of Education.

It appears the BOE plans to implement the ideas (without attaching the VMPI name) through the required 7-year review of the Virginia math SOL.

You have a say, however.

Please respond at this link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdNJYWjS_7VbO4682TGHfajGnbgZM1Xzhczv9RQKyuBcIg2eA/viewform

And let the DOE you oppose E3 and the ideas underlying the VMPI, including the elimination of higher math prior to 11th grade, and also oppose “blending” math concepts.

Yes, yes, by all means oppose any new ideas in mathematics education that might address the fact that US students don't really excel in math. We should definitely keep teaching mat exactly as we have since the beginning of time.

Are you seriously that ignorant?

VMPI and E3 seek to LOWER the bar in math, and eliminate excellence.

Since you do not seem to understand, that means VMPI and E3 will put Virginia students even further behind their international peers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Math scores stink in America. Other countries teach it differently - and see higher achievement.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/02/28/math-scores-high-school-lessons-freakonomics-pisa-algebra-geometry/4835742002/

I heard the Freakonomics podcast. We really are too scared of change in the US to implement any of this, though;.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Math scores stink in America. Other countries teach it differently - and see higher achievement.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/02/28/math-scores-high-school-lessons-freakonomics-pisa-algebra-geometry/4835742002/

I mean Estonia is held up as a model there so don’t overlook that teaching differently means “Many factors may have helped: The country offers high-quality early childhood education to all kids, class sizes are small, and there's little high-stakes testing, leaving more time for instruction.” I’d applaud any and all of those changes here which would of course improve education in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes, yes, by all means oppose any new ideas in mathematics education that might address the fact that US students don't really excel in math. We should definitely keep teaching mat exactly as we have since the beginning of time.

Are you seriously that ignorant?

VMPI and E3 seek to LOWER the bar in math, and eliminate excellence.

Since you do not seem to understand, that means VMPI and E3 will put Virginia students even further behind their international peers.

They claimed they were raising the bar by taking all the kids deemed ineligible to take algebra in middle school, and forcing them to take algebra in middle school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the bad ideas encompassed in VMPI are still in play at the Virginia Board of Education.

It appears the BOE plans to implement the ideas (without attaching the VMPI name) through the required 7-year review of the Virginia math SOL.

You have a say, however.

Please respond at this link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdNJYWjS_7VbO4682TGHfajGnbgZM1Xzhczv9RQKyuBcIg2eA/viewform

And let the DOE you oppose E3 and the ideas underlying the VMPI, including the elimination of higher math prior to 11th grade, and also oppose “blending” math concepts.

VMPI is certainly not “dead” as many claim, and despite Governor Younkin’s executive order.

The ideas live on within the administrators at the DOE who championed VMPI. They are still trying to implement as much of VMPI as they can get away with.

The official DOE website is even still up (very odd for something supposedly “dead”).

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/index.shtml

You are an idiot.

VA DOE still exists.

The VA math standards still exist.

The math standards still needs to be updated - as mandated by law.

The staff working on the math standards still exist.

Why wouldn’t there be a website?



Oh, and the initiative known as VMPI is dead.

[Anonymous]

Bump

[Anonymous]

From what I can tell, Lane, Union Mill, Va Run, and Baileys all implemented the E3 pilot. All of these don’t offer Level IV for 5th and 6th according to FCPS.

Anyone else know which schools are piloting e3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From what I can tell, Lane, Union Mill, Va Run, and Baileys all implemented the E3 pilot. All of these don’t offer Level IV for 5th and 6th according to FCPS.

Anyone else know which schools are piloting e3.

I know the plan is to expand E3 (the stealth VMPI) to 20 schools next year.

[Anonymous]

I’d be interested in knowing if Estonia has special ed students in gen ed classes. Are they teaching math to homogeneous groups, or do they have immigrant students and students with disabilities in the same pot?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From what I can tell, Lane, Union Mill, Va Run, and Baileys all implemented the E3 pilot. All of these don’t offer Level IV for 5th and 6th according to FCPS.

Anyone else know which schools are piloting e3.

Well if it was only implemented at places without Level IV 5th and 6th, then they could kill advanced math altogether at these pilot schools and it wouldnt affect existing commitments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I can tell, Lane, Union Mill, Va Run, and Baileys all implemented the E3 pilot. All of these don’t offer Level IV for 5th and 6th according to FCPS.

Anyone else know which schools are piloting e3.

I know the plan is to expand E3 (the stealth VMPI) to 20 schools next year.

Which schools? Any proposed changes to 5th and 6th grade offerings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Posting this here since it is popping up a bit in the AAP thread but it would impact all types of students…

Some here may that last year VDOE proposed in its VMPI (VA math pathways initiative) to do away with any type of math grouping of kids before 11th grade so that the only potential differentiation for math that would be delivered would be in-class (as in what happens in K-2 now, not what happens in 3-12 now). VDOE then stepped away from that idea after backlash.

Apparently FCPS is piloting this idea now though at the ES level and intends to expand it over the next few years. This is part of their published improvement plan. My youngest is in 5th so I don’t have a direct dog in this fight but thought others with younger kids may want to be aware and on the lookout for when the proposal gets drafted for expanding this program. Link and details below:

https://www.fcps.edu/node/44416

“Partner with the Advanced Academic Office to launch the Engaging, Enhanced, and Extended Mathematics (E3) Network, a group of 10 schools from across the division that will implement E3. The purpose of E3 is to broaden the access for all third and fourth graders to a more rigorous curriculum in elementary mathematics. E3 raises the rigor for all students through an enhanced program of studies that layers more opportunities for depth and complexity through flexible delivery of Advanced Academic extensions.
…
Write and obtain feedback on a five-year strategic plan to implement…the expansion of E3 in elementary schools.

E3 is just a curriculum designed to raise the bar in gen Ed. This says nothing about not being allowed to have advanced math groups.

Allowed, but in practice the classes are eliminated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the bad ideas encompassed in VMPI are still in play at the Virginia Board of Education.

It appears the BOE plans to implement the ideas (without attaching the VMPI name) through the required 7-year review of the Virginia math SOL.

You have a say, however.

Please respond at this link:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdNJYWjS_7VbO4682TGHfajGnbgZM1Xzhczv9RQKyuBcIg2eA/viewform

And let the DOE you oppose E3 and the ideas underlying the VMPI, including the elimination of higher math prior to 11th grade, and also oppose “blending” math concepts.

Yes, yes, by all means oppose any new ideas in mathematics education that might address the fact that US students don't really excel in math. We should definitely keep teaching mat exactly as we have since the beginning of time.

About 50-60 years ago in many schools algebra was as far as you got in high school. They advanced this with calculus being offered much more in the later decades for advanced kids, and even classes beyond calculus.
The new idea is to go back to the old ways and eliminate the advanced classes.