Accepted to Ivy stats

[Anonymous]

And yes, if course it is subjective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1500
Legacy
3.9 GPA unweighted
Accomplished musician
Great recommendations
White
Accepted at Harvard

Legacy is a key word. We know from the Harvard law suit that this would do the trick assuming relatively high stats and decent ECs.

Harvard is probably unique in this but who knows. Maybe someone should sue Princeton and Yale to find out

Actually non-Asian is the key here

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy
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4.0 UW
National award
Nationally ranked in EC
Published author
Captain varsity sport
Devoted teachers/fantastic recs

Forgetting the legacy bump for the moment, things like national awards and published worked are differentiating. If you are only accepting 1 student out if every 25 applications and half of those are accomplished writers, how do you choose one?

We'll never know, they don't talk about those things. I guess the best way to figure it out is to do the next level research and figure out the trends of the published writers accepted and see what they like.

The question was how are you going to choose one writer out of a dozen? One that has the discipline, maturity and talent to go through the process of having a piece published could arguably be a good criteria.

Not how I read it...I read the question as how do you choose 12 published authors out of 25 applicants? Hence my response, it is subjective.

Poster meant 12 of the applications show quality writing ....not that they are all published.n. If they all have published pieces than you need to find other ways to choose. Not every well written student can get a place.

But there are many other places than the ivy league to hone writing talent or math talent or other talents as well.

Is it a lottery or not? Do they really just dump all the talented writers in a hat and pick one or do they have reasons for choosing this writer over that one?

[Anonymous]

Presumably each talented writer has other talents as well and those would be the next filter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy
+
4.0 UW
National award
Nationally ranked in EC
Published author
Captain varsity sport
Devoted teachers/fantastic recs

Forgetting the legacy bump for the moment, things like national awards and published worked are differentiating. If you are only accepting 1 student out if every 25 applications and half of those are accomplished writers, how do you choose one?

We'll never know, they don't talk about those things. I guess the best way to figure it out is to do the next level research and figure out the trends of the published writers accepted and see what they like.

The question was how are you going to choose one writer out of a dozen? One that has the discipline, maturity and talent to go through the process of having a piece published could arguably be a good criteria.

Not how I read it...I read the question as how do you choose 12 published authors out of 25 applicants? Hence my response, it is subjective.

Poster meant 12 of the applications show quality writing ....not that they are all published.n. If they all have published pieces than you need to find other ways to choose. Not every well written student can get a place.

But there are many other places than the ivy league to hone writing talent or math talent or other talents as well.

Unless you are PP you don't know what they meant. The correlation was "accomplished" writer in the response to "published writer" in the original post. Not interested in arguing with you. My point stands, it is subjective as you acknowledged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1500
Legacy
3.9 GPA unweighted
Accomplished musician
Great recommendations
White
Accepted at Harvard

What's considered "accomplished musician"? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1500
Legacy
3.9 GPA unweighted
Accomplished musician
Great recommendations
White
Accepted at Harvard

Legacy is a key word. We know from the Harvard law suit that this would do the trick assuming relatively high stats and decent ECs.

Harvard is probably unique in this but who knows. Maybe someone should sue Princeton and Yale to find out

Actually non-Asian is the key here

Not true, at least for Harvard. White and Asian have similar chances according to publicly disclosed data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy
+
4.0 UW
National award
Nationally ranked in EC
Published author
Captain varsity sport
Devoted teachers/fantastic recs

Forgetting the legacy bump for the moment, things like national awards and published worked are differentiating. If you are only accepting 1 student out if every 25 applications and half of those are accomplished writers, how do you choose one?

We'll never know, they don't talk about those things. I guess the best way to figure it out is to do the next level research and figure out the trends of the published writers accepted and see what they like.

The question was how are you going to choose one writer out of a dozen? One that has the discipline, maturity and talent to go through the process of having a piece published could arguably be a good criteria.

Not how I read it...I read the question as how do you choose 12 published authors out of 25 applicants? Hence my response, it is subjective.

Poster meant 12 of the applications show quality writing ....not that they are all published.n. If they all have published pieces than you need to find other ways to choose. Not every well written student can get a place.

But there are many other places than the ivy league to hone writing talent or math talent or other talents as well.

Unless you are PP you don't know what they meant. The correlation was "accomplished" writer in the response to "published writer" in the original post. Not interested in arguing with you. My point stands, it is subjective as you acknowledged.

Yes. I am the poster. If one of the applicants is published and none of the others are published, that could be possibly be a reasonable differentiating factor.

And if course it is subjective but I really dont see it as a random lottery as some always suggest.

I have multiple kids and only one was interested or accomplished enough to pursue a really elite college. The kids there are intimidating. Many seem to have national level accomplishments and prizes in their various fields and various countries. It does not seem random.

But my other have their own path and accomplishments in their own right and are pursuing higher education at fine institutions but not tippy too level ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The high stats just buy you the lottery ticket...

+1

People keep saying this but I got a PhD at an ivy league school and both sat in a couple classes with undergrads and taught a couple classes to undergrads. There is a sizable minority of absolute buffoons in ivy league undergrad programs. And it's not the athletes

And you should listen to some of these ivy students carry on about the doctoral candidate TAs tasked with doing some of the instructional work. They are less than impressed.

It a college full of young adults folks. Bright folks but there are definitely a bunch of idiots there as well.

Well, most doctoral candidates don't even want to teach and 80% of them are nonnative speakers in technical fields (and even some non-technical fields)

Maybe you weren’t a good teacher. We had a music Ph.D. student teaching our required music appreciation course. He was obviously bored and didn’t want to be there. He was a buffoon.

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Anonymous wrote:Legacy
+
4.0 UW
National award
Nationally ranked in EC
Published author
Captain varsity sport
Devoted teachers/fantastic recs

Forgetting the legacy bump for the moment, things like national awards and published worked are differentiating. If you are only accepting 1 student out if every 25 applications and half of those are accomplished writers, how do you choose one?

We'll never know, they don't talk about those things. I guess the best way to figure it out is to do the next level research and figure out the trends of the published writers accepted and see what they like.

The question was how are you going to choose one writer out of a dozen? One that has the discipline, maturity and talent to go through the process of having a piece published could arguably be a good criteria.

Not how I read it...I read the question as how do you choose 12 published authors out of 25 applicants? Hence my response, it is subjective.

Poster meant 12 of the applications show quality writing ....not that they are all published.n. If they all have published pieces than you need to find other ways to choose. Not every well written student can get a place.

But there are many other places than the ivy league to hone writing talent or math talent or other talents as well.

Unless you are PP you don't know what they meant. The correlation was "accomplished" writer in the response to "published writer" in the original post. Not interested in arguing with you. My point stands, it is subjective as you acknowledged.

Yes. I am the poster. If one of the applicants is published and none of the others are published, that could be possibly be a reasonable differentiating factor.

And if course it is subjective but I really dont see it as a random lottery as some always suggest.

I have multiple kids and only one was interested or accomplished enough to pursue a really elite college. The kids there are intimidating. Many seem to have national level accomplishments and prizes in their various fields and various countries. It does not seem random.

But my other have their own path and accomplishments in their own right and are pursuing higher education at fine institutions but not tippy too level ones.

Learn to write better.

[Anonymous]

Learn to respond to the substance of the post instead of spewing tangential insults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry, I know this may be a trigger for many, so apologies in advance.

But I’m really curious for those who have kids accepted this cycle early or last year.

What is your kids special-ness, in your opinion (And I don’t mean that snarkily!)

Niece got into Harvard, strong scores but not over the top. I think what distinguished her is that sh started her own business in sophomore year which has become an actual thriving business.It made her a real standout. There were others in her class that had stronger grades and rec's, etc....but did not have this special hook if you want to call it that. It really can be such a crap shoot. She was ready to go to GW on a full scholarship and quite happily, applied to HYP just at the insistence of her guidance counselor. And sure enough!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1500
Legacy
3.9 GPA unweighted
Accomplished musician
Great recommendations
White
Accepted at Harvard

Legacy is a key word. We know from the Harvard law suit that this would do the trick assuming relatively high stats and decent ECs.

Harvard is probably unique in this but who knows. Maybe someone should sue Princeton and Yale to find out

Actually non-Asian is the key here

Pretty sure it was a WASP thing.

[Anonymous]

Accepted ED.
3.72 UW with upward trend; Highest rigor
1600 SAT single sitting

Legacy
Paid internship
Creative and memorable Common app essay
College specific essays showed tons of research
Varsity team captain
Club president
Lots of community service

[Anonymous]

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Yes. I am the poster. If one of the applicants is published and none of the others are published, that could be possibly be a reasonable differentiating factor.

And if course it is subjective but I really dont see it as a random lottery as some always suggest.

I have multiple kids and only one was interested or accomplished enough to pursue a really elite college. The kids there are intimidating. Many seem to have national level accomplishments and prizes in their various fields and various countries. It does not seem random.

But my other have their own path and accomplishments in their own right and are pursuing higher education at fine institutions but not tippy too level ones.

This is my experience also. I have multiple kids and only one was accomplished enough to have a reasonable chance at an elite college - and she ended up with a bunch of acceptances at top places (11 out of 13 acceptances). It was much less of a lottery than I thought.