Swimming - really sick of nonfunctional video feeds

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There should be 1 video cam per lane and one on the scoreboard like the Olympics, it would also cut down on the need for parents to be at the meets and cause congestion and inconvenience the parents.

Great idea! Are you paying for it? Running tech support? Setting it up?

if we are no longer able to spectate in person I expect a solution be implemented like above and will gladly pay as this sounds like the way forward with people freaking out over this covid cold and probably future ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There should be 1 video cam per lane and one on the scoreboard like the Olympics, it would also cut down on the need for parents to be at the meets and cause congestion and inconvenience the parents.

Great idea! Are you paying for it? Running tech support? Setting it up?

if we are no longer able to spectate in person I expect a solution be implemented like above and will gladly pay as this sounds like the way forward with people freaking out over this covid cold and probably future ones.

Cool. You should call the facility and contractor to get it going. Glad to hear you will step up and pay for this upgrade. Will you also be paying for the tech support, data entry, and maintenance? You are truly amazing and generous. I'm sure the league you participate in will be tremendously grateful. What a wonderful post.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Really sick of complaining parents.

This. So much this. Land the helicopter. Do something productive and stop with the creepy voyeuristic behavior.

Troll. Without a doubt.

Nope. Some parents really don't like the hyper parents and think it is in fact creepy. It is voyeuristic too. The viewing is for your pleasure. It has no benefit for the children you are watching. You are using kids for your enjoyment. There is something icky about that.

Who are you to say that having a parent there to watch their kid compete does nothing for the kid? I have an under 10 who before every meet insists I try and time because she wants me there. I know that will change as she gets older but for now, she wants me there and so I will do my best to be there. It’s part of being a parent, showing up for your kid when they want you to.

It sounds like you need to be working on age appropriate independence and confidence. You are holding them back.

yeah, attending your child’s sporting events because they are excited about you watching them do something they love and are good at definitely holds them back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really sick of complaining parents.

This. So much this. Land the helicopter. Do something productive and stop with the creepy voyeuristic behavior.

Troll. Without a doubt.

Nope. Some parents really don't like the hyper parents and think it is in fact creepy. It is voyeuristic too. The viewing is for your pleasure. It has no benefit for the children you are watching. You are using kids for your enjoyment. There is something icky about that.

Who are you to say that having a parent there to watch their kid compete does nothing for the kid? I have an under 10 who before every meet insists I try and time because she wants me there. I know that will change as she gets older but for now, she wants me there and so I will do my best to be there. It’s part of being a parent, showing up for your kid when they want you to.

It sounds like you need to be working on age appropriate independence and confidence. You are holding them back.

yeah, attending your child’s sporting events because they are excited about you watching them do something they love and are good at definitely holds them back.

Their enjoyment of their activity and their progress in the activity should not be tied to you in any way whatsoever. You should help them foster their own identity separate from you. It is a really imporant developmental step that should have been established years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There should be 1 video cam per lane and one on the scoreboard like the Olympics, it would also cut down on the need for parents to be at the meets and cause congestion and inconvenience the parents.

Great idea! Are you paying for it? Running tech support? Setting it up?

if we are no longer able to spectate in person I expect a solution be implemented like above and will gladly pay as this sounds like the way forward with people freaking out over this covid cold and probably future ones.

Cool. You should call the facility and contractor to get it going. Glad to hear you will step up and pay for this upgrade. Will you also be paying for the tech support, data entry, and maintenance? You are truly amazing and generous. I'm sure the league you participate in will be tremendously grateful. What a wonderful post.

Way to go PP. amazing! I look forward to using the upgrades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really sick of complaining parents.

This. So much this. Land the helicopter. Do something productive and stop with the creepy voyeuristic behavior.

Troll. Without a doubt.

Nope. Some parents really don't like the hyper parents and think it is in fact creepy. It is voyeuristic too. The viewing is for your pleasure. It has no benefit for the children you are watching. You are using kids for your enjoyment. There is something icky about that.

Who are you to say that having a parent there to watch their kid compete does nothing for the kid? I have an under 10 who before every meet insists I try and time because she wants me there. I know that will change as she gets older but for now, she wants me there and so I will do my best to be there. It’s part of being a parent, showing up for your kid when they want you to.

It sounds like you need to be working on age appropriate independence and confidence. You are holding them back.

yeah, attending your child’s sporting events because they are excited about you watching them do something they love and are good at definitely holds them back.

Their enjoyment of their activity and their progress in the activity should not be tied to you in any way whatsoever. You should help them foster their own identity separate from you. It is a really imporant developmental step that should have been established years ago.

Is this how you justify your checked out parenting? Most kids like at least one parent at the meet, except if you are a bully or abusive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really sick of complaining parents.

This. So much this. Land the helicopter. Do something productive and stop with the creepy voyeuristic behavior.

Hello - some meets are a 30 minute drive away. That’s a pain to not be able to stay and watch. Fine if it’s around the corner. But watched your kids’ meet is not a helicopter- yes, for practices.

It’s fine to stay for practices.

Maybe in a waiting area or in the car.

Or exercise yourself with a walk or run errands nearby.

So, basically you cannot be bothered and need to bully others into feeling the same way to justify your actions.

You probably do the fake carpooling. You arrange the carpool, bail every time it it is your turn to drive and expect others to do it for you.

Its cold out, too cold to walk. What kind of errand can you do in 45 minutes?

No reason not to wait in the waiting room (beyond covid). We always did prior to covid and I would again when covid is better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really sick of complaining parents.

This. So much this. Land the helicopter. Do something productive and stop with the creepy voyeuristic behavior.

Hello - some meets are a 30 minute drive away. That’s a pain to not be able to stay and watch. Fine if it’s around the corner. But watched your kids’ meet is not a helicopter- yes, for practices.

It’s fine to stay for practices.

Maybe in a waiting area or in the car.

Or exercise yourself with a walk or run errands nearby.

So, basically you cannot be bothered and need to bully others into feeling the same way to justify your actions.

You probably do the fake carpooling. You arrange the carpool, bail every time it it is your turn to drive and expect others to do it for you.

Its cold out, too cold to walk. What kind of errand can you do in 45 minutes?

No reason not to wait in the waiting room (beyond covid). We always did prior to covid and I would again when covid is better.

I drive my kids everywhere and take my time to get my own items accomplished. I'm sorry that you don't have your own interests outside of your children's hobby. That is really sad. I am sorry that you have lost yourself. There is no reason you can't bundle up and take a walk. No such thing a too cold, just bad clothing. The cold air is invigorating. Is it hard for you to walk outside? Some people do have a tragic lack of motivation. Or worse, do you have a physical limitation? I'm really sorry you are going through this. It is tough on women when they are enmeshed with their kids to the point of not being able to separate. Good luck to you. Empty nest syndrome is going to be a doosey for both of you because you have not figured out the earlier stages. Be well and I hope you figure out a heathier path forward.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really sick of complaining parents.

This. So much this. Land the helicopter. Do something productive and stop with the creepy voyeuristic behavior.

Troll. Without a doubt.

Nope. Some parents really don't like the hyper parents and think it is in fact creepy. It is voyeuristic too. The viewing is for your pleasure. It has no benefit for the children you are watching. You are using kids for your enjoyment. There is something icky about that.

Who are you to say that having a parent there to watch their kid compete does nothing for the kid? I have an under 10 who before every meet insists I try and time because she wants me there. I know that will change as she gets older but for now, she wants me there and so I will do my best to be there. It’s part of being a parent, showing up for your kid when they want you to.

It sounds like you need to be working on age appropriate independence and confidence. You are holding them back.

yeah, attending your child’s sporting events because they are excited about you watching them do something they love and are good at definitely holds them back.

Their enjoyment of their activity and their progress in the activity should not be tied to you in any way whatsoever. You should help them foster their own identity separate from you. It is a really imporant developmental step that should have been established years ago.

Is this how you justify your checked out parenting? Most kids like at least one parent at the meet, except if you are a bully or abusive.

Oh honey. This is so sad. Please do something great for your family and find your own interest. Your entire family will be better off because you will be in a better mindset. Good luck in your journey to a healthier existance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really sick of complaining parents.

This. So much this. Land the helicopter. Do something productive and stop with the creepy voyeuristic behavior.

Hello - some meets are a 30 minute drive away. That’s a pain to not be able to stay and watch. Fine if it’s around the corner. But watched your kids’ meet is not a helicopter- yes, for practices.

It’s fine to stay for practices.

Maybe in a waiting area or in the car.

Or exercise yourself with a walk or run errands nearby.

So, basically you cannot be bothered and need to bully others into feeling the same way to justify your actions.

You probably do the fake carpooling. You arrange the carpool, bail every time it it is your turn to drive and expect others to do it for you.

Its cold out, too cold to walk. What kind of errand can you do in 45 minutes?

No reason not to wait in the waiting room (beyond covid). We always did prior to covid and I would again when covid is better.

I drive my kids everywhere and take my time to get my own items accomplished. I'm sorry that you don't have your own interests outside of your children's hobby. That is really sad. I am sorry that you have lost yourself. There is no reason you can't bundle up and take a walk. No such thing a too cold, just bad clothing. The cold air is invigorating. Is it hard for you to walk outside? Some people do have a tragic lack of motivation. Or worse, do you have a physical limitation? I'm really sorry you are going through this. It is tough on women when they are enmeshed with their kids to the point of not being able to separate. Good luck to you. Empty nest syndrome is going to be a doosey for both of you because you have not figured out the earlier stages. Be well and I hope you figure out a heathier path forward.

I can only imagine how you treat your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really sick of complaining parents.

This. So much this. Land the helicopter. Do something productive and stop with the creepy voyeuristic behavior.

Hello - some meets are a 30 minute drive away. That’s a pain to not be able to stay and watch. Fine if it’s around the corner. But watched your kids’ meet is not a helicopter- yes, for practices.

It’s fine to stay for practices.

Maybe in a waiting area or in the car.

Or exercise yourself with a walk or run errands nearby.

So, basically you cannot be bothered and need to bully others into feeling the same way to justify your actions.

You probably do the fake carpooling. You arrange the carpool, bail every time it it is your turn to drive and expect others to do it for you.

Its cold out, too cold to walk. What kind of errand can you do in 45 minutes?

No reason not to wait in the waiting room (beyond covid). We always did prior to covid and I would again when covid is better.

I drive my kids everywhere and take my time to get my own items accomplished. I'm sorry that you don't have your own interests outside of your children's hobby. That is really sad. I am sorry that you have lost yourself. There is no reason you can't bundle up and take a walk. No such thing a too cold, just bad clothing. The cold air is invigorating. Is it hard for you to walk outside? Some people do have a tragic lack of motivation. Or worse, do you have a physical limitation? I'm really sorry you are going through this. It is tough on women when they are enmeshed with their kids to the point of not being able to separate. Good luck to you. Empty nest syndrome is going to be a doosey for both of you because you have not figured out the earlier stages. Be well and I hope you figure out a heathier path forward.

I can only imagine how you treat your kids.

Like the amazing people they are. I trust and support my children. Do not conflate hovering at practice to be an involved parent. Mostly, the hovering parents are self involved. Too arrogant to see that they are stunting their children. Too checked out you see the socials cues that they are unwelcome. Spend quality time speaking with your children. Do an activity together. Become an involved parent. Lurking at a meet does not a checked in parent make.

[Anonymous]

I've said it before and will say it again...covid shot down the helicopter parents and they will never fly in the children's activity space again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Really sick of complaining parents.

This. So much this. Land the helicopter. Do something productive and stop with the creepy voyeuristic behavior.

Hello - some meets are a 30 minute drive away. That’s a pain to not be able to stay and watch. Fine if it’s around the corner. But watched your kids’ meet is not a helicopter- yes, for practices.

It’s fine to stay for practices.

Maybe in a waiting area or in the car.

Or exercise yourself with a walk or run errands nearby.

So, basically you cannot be bothered and need to bully others into feeling the same way to justify your actions.

You probably do the fake carpooling. You arrange the carpool, bail every time it it is your turn to drive and expect others to do it for you.

Its cold out, too cold to walk. What kind of errand can you do in 45 minutes?

No reason not to wait in the waiting room (beyond covid). We always did prior to covid and I would again when covid is better.

I drive my kids everywhere and take my time to get my own items accomplished. I'm sorry that you don't have your own interests outside of your children's hobby. That is really sad. I am sorry that you have lost yourself. There is no reason you can't bundle up and take a walk. No such thing a too cold, just bad clothing. The cold air is invigorating. Is it hard for you to walk outside? Some people do have a tragic lack of motivation. Or worse, do you have a physical limitation? I'm really sorry you are going through this. It is tough on women when they are enmeshed with their kids to the point of not being able to separate. Good luck to you. Empty nest syndrome is going to be a doosey for both of you because you have not figured out the earlier stages. Be well and I hope you figure out a heathier path forward.

I can only imagine how you treat your kids.

Like the amazing people they are. I trust and support my children. Do not conflate hovering at practice to be an involved parent. Mostly, the hovering parents are self involved. Too arrogant to see that they are stunting their children. Too checked out you see the socials cues that they are unwelcome. Spend quality time speaking with your children. Do an activity together. Become an involved parent. Lurking at a meet does not a checked in parent make.

I fail to see how merely watching your kids compete is stunting them in any way. The parent berating their kid if they don’t perform well or getting in a coach’s face, sure that’s problematic on many levels. I find this judgment on parents merely attending their kids’ sporting events to be bizarre (and yes, probably a troll since the comparison was also being made to voyeurism).

[Anonymous]

I've probably been thinking about this thread, (and the worst swim parent thread) a little too much, although I don't think I've actually posted to the thread.

I find the complaints about parents wanting to watch their kids swim bizarre. My kids LOVE it when I watch them. Not just in swimming- in many sports and other activities. This is pretty normal and typical. I clap and cheer for them if they do badly or if they do great. (Indeed, my son wrote a sweet essay about how he was scared to do something and knowing that I was watching and cheering him on and believed in him gave him courage- I happened to find it in his backpack going through things and it made me cry.)
I generally find the video feeds frustrating- and 'how good' they are doesn't really matter to me b/c my kids don't get the same impact from me watching 'via video' as they do in person. That being said, with a better video feed my kids go back and watch themselves, and they do enjoy that
I am fairly certain that PVS is going to allow spectators again in the Fall, unless something else happens. There is a tension with keeping parents out of meets and practice, and the Safe Sport rules. Some areas are allowing 1 parent per athlete, etc- but the general feeling is that this is too hard to enforce, and not worth it. I do think winter swim is a sport that is harder to bring spectators back for b/c right now the athletes are spread out in the spectator area. As soon as you allow spectators again, the athletes are crammed together on the deck, and the spectators are crammed together in the stands. Obviously their are some pools that are better for this than others. But remember, the meets get their sanction, which includes spectator rules, several months before the meet, so it is hard to be super responsive to changing circumstances- which is why they are just universally waiting until the Fall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've probably been thinking about this thread, (and the worst swim parent thread) a little too much, although I don't think I've actually posted to the thread.

I find the complaints about parents wanting to watch their kids swim bizarre. My kids LOVE it when I watch them. Not just in swimming- in many sports and other activities. This is pretty normal and typical. I clap and cheer for them if they do badly or if they do great. (Indeed, my son wrote a sweet essay about how he was scared to do something and knowing that I was watching and cheering him on and believed in him gave him courage- I happened to find it in his backpack going through things and it made me cry.)
I generally find the video feeds frustrating- and 'how good' they are doesn't really matter to me b/c my kids don't get the same impact from me watching 'via video' as they do in person. That being said, with a better video feed my kids go back and watch themselves, and they do enjoy that
I am fairly certain that PVS is going to allow spectators again in the Fall, unless something else happens. There is a tension with keeping parents out of meets and practice, and the Safe Sport rules. Some areas are allowing 1 parent per athlete, etc- but the general feeling is that this is too hard to enforce, and not worth it. I do think winter swim is a sport that is harder to bring spectators back for b/c right now the athletes are spread out in the spectator area. As soon as you allow spectators again, the athletes are crammed together on the deck, and the spectators are crammed together in the stands. Obviously their are some pools that are better for this than others. But remember, the meets get their sanction, which includes spectator rules, several months before the meet, so it is hard to be super responsive to changing circumstances- which is why they are just universally waiting until the Fall.

I agree with you. In some cases, it is just easier to go with no spectators for now. I also think it is a good practice to spread the kids out first. Some facilities are dealing with capacity limits and then if you have 200 athletes, 50 meet officials and allowance for 50 more spectators, what do you do? (go with 0 is the fair/easy answer)

To clarify, however, this is not a PVS policy. It is up to the facilities and is multi-layered with local policies and rental agreements and so on. RMSC has had spectators at a number of events, often in limited space away from the swimmers. We use our own facilities which certainly helps. It also helps with the last minute changes, for example, this weekend's meet was announced as no spectators and is now allowing them.