Daycare testing for runny noses?!

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Anonymous wrote:Folks in their 70s, 80s and 90s should be avoiding any contact with daycare or school aged kids right now. Even fully vaxxed and boosted they are more likely to end up really really sick and rates are currently insane. It's not a forever thing--give it a few weeks and this spike should start to resolve.

You know some people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s live with family, including younger children. Where are they supposed to go?

“Not my problem.” This is basically what parents of young kids have heard for the past 2 years when childcare centers and schools shut down overnight. Do you think my employer cares if schools/daycares shut down and I have no childcare? Yet I’m supposed to go into year #3 of caring about elderly people who have access to vaccines and boosters? They can take some of the burden of this from working parents now, it’s time for them to assess the risk for themselves and figure out how they want to handle it. So many of us with young kids were flippantly told to “just hire a nanny” even though that was not in budget for many/most families. So now I flippantly say, go figure it out. I cannot take on responsibility for this any longer.

Some of us actually care for young kids and elderly parents.

DP than PP, but that’s your problem to navigate. How did you/would you handle flu season before covid? Because covid is less risky than flu now. Stop shutting down day cares for all kids. If you’re freaking out about a cold because you have at risk family members, then take your kid out of day care or, if you’re staff, consider a career change. The rest of us still would like to send our kids so we can keep our jobs. COVID is here to stay, and it will be one of many colds and flus circulating every year.

And likewise, the inflexibility of your employer is *your* problem to navigate.

I have navigated working with young kids and school closures for nearly 2 years now largely for the benefit of people like your family with elderly parents at home. How about a “thank you.” Not continued demands. The overwhelming majority of people want kids in-person even at the risk of colds, flu, and COVID. We aren’t going to operate under quarantine operations forever while you’re family figures out how to handle variant Omega that will invariably crop up. The CDC shortening the isolation guidelines and Congress unwilling to pass anymore COVID support should be your writing on the wall that a return to normal sick day guidance (essentially stay home until fever free for 24 hours) is going to make a comeback. And you’re absolutely in denial if you think there aren’t families out there already purposefully not testing (or simply unable to get one), not reporting exposure, etc. because it’s either that or lose out on a paycheck. You can’t seriously be shocked that people will choose the benefit of their own family over yours.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps you now understand why so many of the posts of parents with young kids have stated that they are losing their minds?

But yes, OP, it is as nerve wracking and near impossible as you are imagining.

I've long opposed any of the so called mitigation measures for kids but this one is new in our school so I'm genuinely curious how it works in practice. We will prob pull them sadly and I'm seatching for another option

Ahh, so you’re one of those people.

Yes the OP epitomizes the selfishness that has exacerbated the pandemic for almost two years. Cold like symptoms can indicate Covid. The day care should be commended for taking mitigation measures to protect its staff and children under care and to minimize community spread.

Hate to break it to you but community spread is here. And everywhere. That's what happens with respiratory illness. We don't shut down the world for mild colds, which even you acknowledge this is.

This is a worldwide pandemic not a normal mild cold. It has killed over 825K Americans. Pediatric inflections and hospitalizations are at an all time high. The described mitigation strategies are reasonable precautions. If people were just more willing to follow the best scientific advice out there, some of the deaths and serious illnesses could have been avoided. But, instead we whine.

Out of those 825,000 Americans, 250 were kids aged 0-4 years. That is 0.03% of the deaths. Covid is killing unvaccinated adults, not preschoolers.

But the kids are passing in on to those adults. Also, we don’t know the full scope of possible long-term effects to kids. A recent study showed an increase in diabetes among kids who had COVID. This virus isn’t just a mild cold, it attacks many systems of the body—vascular, pulmonary, neurological, etc. a mild cold may currently represent initial infection but time will tell how kids’ bodies respond to COVID in the long run.

Ok. So kids can pass it onto adults. But the adults are out eating in restaurants, going on trips, going to house parties, etc. and also spreading it to other adults. It’s just that we make kids take responsibility by sacrificing their normal childhoods and education. So don’t come at me about community spread unless others are willing to sacrifice too.

Adults should sacrifice too you a 🕳

Great. When we shut down the bars and cruise ships, let me know.

This exactly. Why are you coming for my low risk preschooler first? Let’s mandate vaccinations and shut down all unnecessary frivolous entertainment venues for adults. And prohibit parties and such. And, if you still have overflowing hospitals, you can tell little kids to shove things up their nose every morning, wear masks, stay six feet from their friends, and stay home for 10+ days every other week basically while asking their parents to somehow stay employed without any reliable child care.

A lot of us just don’t see the point anymore. This disease is going to be endemic. It is never going away. My kids are so so so unlikely to need hospitalization. I don’t care if they get Covid today or in a few months or in a few years. What difference does it make?

And blah blah blah with the small possibility of long covid and diabetes. Nothing is risk free and everything has an opportunity cost. You know what also probably increases your chances of adverse health outcomes? Having unemployed parents or parents stressed out of their minds. Give us a break already. This is equivalent to a cold for kids. Stop asking them to bear the brunt of the social isolation policies.

Nobody gives a damn about your childish “blah blah blah.” OP can test her kid or leave. The end.

Here’s the deal: how we going to test our kids if tests are near impossible to come by? How are you going to know if I tested my kid? What’s the incentive for actually testing my kid? Am I supposed to do so out of sympathy for anti-vaxxers? For those at risk that don’t have enough sense to stay away from preschoolers and school age kids and pretty much everyone right now during high community spread? Because it’s hard to care about others in a society that just dismisses your struggles for two years and calls you selfish for wondering how parents are supposed to stay employed and sane without reliable childcare.

It seems like those that actually test are going to be running around every morning at 6am to try to find a pharmacy with tests, shelling out $$, shoving things up their kids’ noses and making them cry, and for what? A negative result in all likelihood because home tests are incredibly unreliable. I know someone who was pretty sure they had it, wanted to confirm, and took 4 tests. Only one of the 4 tests was positive.

Did you see what happened in the Virginia governor’s race? You think there won’t be a revolt if elected officials keep pushing these inane policies aimed to coddle people with zero risk tolerance? The “Beckys” and “Karens” of suburbia are tired and pissed and are going to vote for anyone who promises to end these pain in the butt policies.

Not a Karen, but a longtime D-voting mom in the suburbs who voted R this year for this reason. This message is delivered rudely but the PP here has a good point.

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Youngkin played you.

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^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

Lol. DP but for real, trying to take care of toddlers while at the same time respond to emails, research and write memos, etc is enough to break you. If the next election involves a republican candidate promising to go back to the 24h fever free rule (and the Democrat doubles down on quarantining), the faith of this life long Democrat will be tested. I like my kids and my job, but not when trying to handle both at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

Lol. DP but for real, trying to take care of toddlers while at the same time respond to emails, research and write memos, etc is enough to break you. If the next election involves a republican candidate promising to go back to the 24h fever free rule (and the Democrat doubles down on quarantining), the faith of this life long Democrat will be tested. I like my kids and my job, but not when trying to handle both at the same time.

I'm the OP but I appreciate YOU and the other folks on here bringing common sense to this. Also a life long Democrat who voted AGAINST Youngkin but pray that the tables turn here soon on who is making the sacrifices. WE ARE LIVING WITH AN ENDEMIC VIRUS - PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO GET SICK - WE WILL NOT AND SHOULD NOT SHUT DOWN SCHOOL AND DAYCARE FOR IT.

And, breathe.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

Lol. DP but for real, trying to take care of toddlers while at the same time respond to emails, research and write memos, etc is enough to break you. If the next election involves a republican candidate promising to go back to the 24h fever free rule (and the Democrat doubles down on quarantining), the faith of this life long Democrat will be tested. I like my kids and my job, but not when trying to handle both at the same time.

+100.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

Lol. DP but for real, trying to take care of toddlers while at the same time respond to emails, research and write memos, etc is enough to break you. If the next election involves a republican candidate promising to go back to the 24h fever free rule (and the Democrat doubles down on quarantining), the faith of this life long Democrat will be tested. I like my kids and my job, but not when trying to handle both at the same time.

Wouldn’t the better position be that employers be more supportive of giving parents sufficient leeway to care for sick children instead of putting them back in child care before they are not risking the spread of illness?

I am not a lifelong Democratic but I would not vote for any Republican right now unless they have repudiated the Trumpian attack on our democratic republic (ie what Liz Cheney has done). Youngkin played footsie with Trump supporters and failed to do so and thus to me I could never vote for him (before even getting at his flawed positions on the pandemic and other things (ie trying to prevent the teaching of history in schools).

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

Lol. DP but for real, trying to take care of toddlers while at the same time respond to emails, research and write memos, etc is enough to break you. If the next election involves a republican candidate promising to go back to the 24h fever free rule (and the Democrat doubles down on quarantining), the faith of this life long Democrat will be tested. I like my kids and my job, but not when trying to handle both at the same time.

Wouldn’t the better position be that employers be more supportive of giving parents sufficient leeway to care for sick children instead of putting them back in child care before they are not risking the spread of illness?

I am not a lifelong Democratic but I would not vote for any Republican right now unless they have repudiated the Trumpian attack on our democratic republic (ie what Liz Cheney has done). Youngkin played footsie with Trump supporters and failed to do so and thus to me I could never vote for him (before even getting at his flawed positions on the pandemic and other things (ie trying to prevent the teaching of history in schools).

My employer is flexible but this requires more than flexibility when the period of absence is a week or more. That's essentially a leave of absence. The long quarantines are ridiculous

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

Lol. DP but for real, trying to take care of toddlers while at the same time respond to emails, research and write memos, etc is enough to break you. If the next election involves a republican candidate promising to go back to the 24h fever free rule (and the Democrat doubles down on quarantining), the faith of this life long Democrat will be tested. I like my kids and my job, but not when trying to handle both at the same time.

PP who asked if the screaming and crying was a references to PP's kids. I hear you. I really do. America doesn't value working parents. That has become painfully more obvious during COVID.

Personally I won't ever be able to vote for a Republican unless they clearly repudiated Trump. I felt that way long before January 6th. I know many Republicans and Independents who feel the same way.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

No, I thought it was obvious, but perhaps not. I was referencing the screaming and harassing by you and others during this Omicron surge.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

No, I thought it was obvious, but perhaps not. I was referencing the screaming and harassing by you and others during this Omicron surge.

You need to spend less time here if an anonymous forum is what is breaking you.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ Nope. The constant screaming and harassing broke us.

Of your children at home? Good grief.

Lol. DP but for real, trying to take care of toddlers while at the same time respond to emails, research and write memos, etc is enough to break you. If the next election involves a republican candidate promising to go back to the 24h fever free rule (and the Democrat doubles down on quarantining), the faith of this life long Democrat will be tested. I like my kids and my job, but not when trying to handle both at the same time.

Wouldn’t the better position be that employers be more supportive of giving parents sufficient leeway to care for sick children instead of putting them back in child care before they are not risking the spread of illness?

I am not a lifelong Democratic but I would not vote for any Republican right now unless they have repudiated the Trumpian attack on our democratic republic (ie what Liz Cheney has done). Youngkin played footsie with Trump supporters and failed to do so and thus to me I could never vote for him (before even getting at his flawed positions on the pandemic and other things (ie trying to prevent the teaching of history in schools).

I'm tired of this being portrayed as "democrats" pushing for long quarantines or "republicans" advocating for the 24hr fever free rule. This isn't politics, its CDC and local/state public health guidance.

And I think you are both right. We should get back to the 24h fever free rule in the near future AND employers should offer people reasonable sick leave.

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I have a preschooler with allergies. Sometimes he still has a drip. If he seems sick, or it's obvious this is a cold, not just a drip or allergies, I keep him home. And yes I test him. If he is acting fine (energetic, happy, normal, etc) I send him despite the drip.

Use your common sense. I will say, I am in a private preschool and their covid rules are WAY MORE strict so good luck finding a different place.