Daycare testing for runny noses?!

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps you now understand why so many of the posts of parents with young kids have stated that they are losing their minds?

But yes, OP, it is as nerve wracking and near impossible as you are imagining.

I've long opposed any of the so called mitigation measures for kids but this one is new in our school so I'm genuinely curious how it works in practice. We will prob pull them sadly and I'm seatching for another option

Ahh, so you’re one of those people.

Yes the OP epitomizes the selfishness that has exacerbated the pandemic for almost two years. Cold like symptoms can indicate Covid. The day care should be commended for taking mitigation measures to protect its staff and children under care and to minimize community spread.

Hate to break it to you but community spread is here. And everywhere. That's what happens with respiratory illness. We don't shut down the world for mild colds, which even you acknowledge this is.

This is a worldwide pandemic not a normal mild cold. It has killed over 825K Americans. Pediatric inflections and hospitalizations are at an all time high. The described mitigation strategies are reasonable precautions. If people were just more willing to follow the best scientific advice out there, some of the deaths and serious illnesses could have been avoided. But, instead we whine.

Out of those 825,000 Americans, 250 were kids aged 0-4 years. That is 0.03% of the deaths. Covid is killing unvaccinated adults, not preschoolers.

But the kids are passing in on to those adults. Also, we don’t know the full scope of possible long-term effects to kids. A recent study showed an increase in diabetes among kids who had COVID. This virus isn’t just a mild cold, it attacks many systems of the body—vascular, pulmonary, neurological, etc. a mild cold may currently represent initial infection but time will tell how kids’ bodies respond to COVID in the long run.

Ok. So kids can pass it onto adults. But the adults are out eating in restaurants, going on trips, going to house parties, etc. and also spreading it to other adults. It’s just that we make kids take responsibility by sacrificing their normal childhoods and education. So don’t come at me about community spread unless others are willing to sacrifice too.

Adults should sacrifice too you a 🕳

Great. When we shut down the bars and cruise ships, let me know.

This exactly. Why are you coming for my low risk preschooler first? Let’s mandate vaccinations and shut down all unnecessary frivolous entertainment venues for adults. And prohibit parties and such. And, if you still have overflowing hospitals, you can tell little kids to shove things up their nose every morning, wear masks, stay six feet from their friends, and stay home for 10+ days every other week basically while asking their parents to somehow stay employed without any reliable child care.

A lot of us just don’t see the point anymore. This disease is going to be endemic. It is never going away. My kids are so so so unlikely to need hospitalization. I don’t care if they get Covid today or in a few months or in a few years. What difference does it make?

And blah blah blah with the small possibility of long covid and diabetes. Nothing is risk free and everything has an opportunity cost. You know what also probably increases your chances of adverse health outcomes? Having unemployed parents or parents stressed out of their minds. Give us a break already. This is equivalent to a cold for kids. Stop asking them to bear the brunt of the social isolation policies.

Nobody gives a damn about your childish “blah blah blah.” OP can test her kid or leave. The end.

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Folks in their 70s, 80s and 90s should be avoiding any contact with daycare or school aged kids right now. Even fully vaxxed and boosted they are more likely to end up really really sick and rates are currently insane. It's not a forever thing--give it a few weeks and this spike should start to resolve.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps you now understand why so many of the posts of parents with young kids have stated that they are losing their minds?

But yes, OP, it is as nerve wracking and near impossible as you are imagining.

I've long opposed any of the so called mitigation measures for kids but this one is new in our school so I'm genuinely curious how it works in practice. We will prob pull them sadly and I'm seatching for another option

Ahh, so you’re one of those people.

Yes the OP epitomizes the selfishness that has exacerbated the pandemic for almost two years. Cold like symptoms can indicate Covid. The day care should be commended for taking mitigation measures to protect its staff and children under care and to minimize community spread.

Hate to break it to you but community spread is here. And everywhere. That's what happens with respiratory illness. We don't shut down the world for mild colds, which even you acknowledge this is.

This is a worldwide pandemic not a normal mild cold. It has killed over 825K Americans. Pediatric inflections and hospitalizations are at an all time high. The described mitigation strategies are reasonable precautions. If people were just more willing to follow the best scientific advice out there, some of the deaths and serious illnesses could have been avoided. But, instead we whine.

Out of those 825,000 Americans, 250 were kids aged 0-4 years. That is 0.03% of the deaths. Covid is killing unvaccinated adults, not preschoolers.

There are no adults on your child’s preschool? Weird. And your children have no contact with adults outside of school, to whom they could spread COVID since you think it’s your right to refuse to test them?

You see, Becky, it’s not just about YOU and YOUR CHILD.

All adults should be vaccinated by now. They’ve assumed the risk if they haven’t. People in charge need to start explaining clearly when this is gonna end and when we are going to shift the burden from kids and parents to those who have chosen not to get vaccinated. None of this making sense to me when I look at the data about who is at risk and what the risk looks like in comparison for other viruses pre-COVID.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps you now understand why so many of the posts of parents with young kids have stated that they are losing their minds?

But yes, OP, it is as nerve wracking and near impossible as you are imagining.

I've long opposed any of the so called mitigation measures for kids but this one is new in our school so I'm genuinely curious how it works in practice. We will prob pull them sadly and I'm seatching for another option

Ahh, so you’re one of those people.

Yes the OP epitomizes the selfishness that has exacerbated the pandemic for almost two years. Cold like symptoms can indicate Covid. The day care should be commended for taking mitigation measures to protect its staff and children under care and to minimize community spread.

Hate to break it to you but community spread is here. And everywhere. That's what happens with respiratory illness. We don't shut down the world for mild colds, which even you acknowledge this is.

This is a worldwide pandemic not a normal mild cold. It has killed over 825K Americans. Pediatric inflections and hospitalizations are at an all time high. The described mitigation strategies are reasonable precautions. If people were just more willing to follow the best scientific advice out there, some of the deaths and serious illnesses could have been avoided. But, instead we whine.

Out of those 825,000 Americans, 250 were kids aged 0-4 years. That is 0.03% of the deaths. Covid is killing unvaccinated adults, not preschoolers.

But the kids are passing in on to those adults. Also, we don’t know the full scope of possible long-term effects to kids. A recent study showed an increase in diabetes among kids who had COVID. This virus isn’t just a mild cold, it attacks many systems of the body—vascular, pulmonary, neurological, etc. a mild cold may currently represent initial infection but time will tell how kids’ bodies respond to COVID in the long run.

Ok. So kids can pass it onto adults. But the adults are out eating in restaurants, going on trips, going to house parties, etc. and also spreading it to other adults. It’s just that we make kids take responsibility by sacrificing their normal childhoods and education. So don’t come at me about community spread unless others are willing to sacrifice too.

Adults should sacrifice too you a 🕳

Great. When we shut down the bars and cruise ships, let me know.

This exactly. Why are you coming for my low risk preschooler first? Let’s mandate vaccinations and shut down all unnecessary frivolous entertainment venues for adults. And prohibit parties and such. And, if you still have overflowing hospitals, you can tell little kids to shove things up their nose every morning, wear masks, stay six feet from their friends, and stay home for 10+ days every other week basically while asking their parents to somehow stay employed without any reliable child care.

A lot of us just don’t see the point anymore. This disease is going to be endemic. It is never going away. My kids are so so so unlikely to need hospitalization. I don’t care if they get Covid today or in a few months or in a few years. What difference does it make?

And blah blah blah with the small possibility of long covid and diabetes. Nothing is risk free and everything has an opportunity cost. You know what also probably increases your chances of adverse health outcomes? Having unemployed parents or parents stressed out of their minds. Give us a break already. This is equivalent to a cold for kids. Stop asking them to bear the brunt of the social isolation policies.

Nobody gives a damn about your childish “blah blah blah.” OP can test her kid or leave. The end.

Here’s the deal: how we going to test our kids if tests are near impossible to come by? How are you going to know if I tested my kid? What’s the incentive for actually testing my kid? Am I supposed to do so out of sympathy for anti-vaxxers? For those at risk that don’t have enough sense to stay away from preschoolers and school age kids and pretty much everyone right now during high community spread? Because it’s hard to care about others in a society that just dismisses your struggles for two years and calls you selfish for wondering how parents are supposed to stay employed and sane without reliable childcare.

It seems like those that actually test are going to be running around every morning at 6am to try to find a pharmacy with tests, shelling out $$, shoving things up their kids’ noses and making them cry, and for what? A negative result in all likelihood because home tests are incredibly unreliable. I know someone who was pretty sure they had it, wanted to confirm, and took 4 tests. Only one of the 4 tests was positive.

Did you see what happened in the Virginia governor’s race? You think there won’t be a revolt if elected officials keep pushing these inane policies aimed to coddle people with zero risk tolerance? The “Beckys” and “Karens” of suburbia are tired and pissed and are going to vote for anyone who promises to end these pain in the butt policies.

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Anonymous wrote:Perhaps you now understand why so many of the posts of parents with young kids have stated that they are losing their minds?

But yes, OP, it is as nerve wracking and near impossible as you are imagining.

I've long opposed any of the so called mitigation measures for kids but this one is new in our school so I'm genuinely curious how it works in practice. We will prob pull them sadly and I'm seatching for another option

Ahh, so you’re one of those people.

Yes the OP epitomizes the selfishness that has exacerbated the pandemic for almost two years. Cold like symptoms can indicate Covid. The day care should be commended for taking mitigation measures to protect its staff and children under care and to minimize community spread.

Hate to break it to you but community spread is here. And everywhere. That's what happens with respiratory illness. We don't shut down the world for mild colds, which even you acknowledge this is.

This is a worldwide pandemic not a normal mild cold. It has killed over 825K Americans. Pediatric inflections and hospitalizations are at an all time high. The described mitigation strategies are reasonable precautions. If people were just more willing to follow the best scientific advice out there, some of the deaths and serious illnesses could have been avoided. But, instead we whine.

Out of those 825,000 Americans, 250 were kids aged 0-4 years. That is 0.03% of the deaths. Covid is killing unvaccinated adults, not preschoolers.

But the kids are passing in on to those adults. Also, we don’t know the full scope of possible long-term effects to kids. A recent study showed an increase in diabetes among kids who had COVID. This virus isn’t just a mild cold, it attacks many systems of the body—vascular, pulmonary, neurological, etc. a mild cold may currently represent initial infection but time will tell how kids’ bodies respond to COVID in the long run.

Ok. So kids can pass it onto adults. But the adults are out eating in restaurants, going on trips, going to house parties, etc. and also spreading it to other adults. It’s just that we make kids take responsibility by sacrificing their normal childhoods and education. So don’t come at me about community spread unless others are willing to sacrifice too.

Adults should sacrifice too you a 🕳

Great. When we shut down the bars and cruise ships, let me know.

This exactly. Why are you coming for my low risk preschooler first? Let’s mandate vaccinations and shut down all unnecessary frivolous entertainment venues for adults. And prohibit parties and such. And, if you still have overflowing hospitals, you can tell little kids to shove things up their nose every morning, wear masks, stay six feet from their friends, and stay home for 10+ days every other week basically while asking their parents to somehow stay employed without any reliable child care.

A lot of us just don’t see the point anymore. This disease is going to be endemic. It is never going away. My kids are so so so unlikely to need hospitalization. I don’t care if they get Covid today or in a few months or in a few years. What difference does it make?

And blah blah blah with the small possibility of long covid and diabetes. Nothing is risk free and everything has an opportunity cost. You know what also probably increases your chances of adverse health outcomes? Having unemployed parents or parents stressed out of their minds. Give us a break already. This is equivalent to a cold for kids. Stop asking them to bear the brunt of the social isolation policies.

Nobody gives a damn about your childish “blah blah blah.” OP can test her kid or leave. The end.

Here’s the deal: how we going to test our kids if tests are near impossible to come by? How are you going to know if I tested my kid? What’s the incentive for actually testing my kid? Am I supposed to do so out of sympathy for anti-vaxxers? For those at risk that don’t have enough sense to stay away from preschoolers and school age kids and pretty much everyone right now during high community spread? Because it’s hard to care about others in a society that just dismisses your struggles for two years and calls you selfish for wondering how parents are supposed to stay employed and sane without reliable childcare.

It seems like those that actually test are going to be running around every morning at 6am to try to find a pharmacy with tests, shelling out $$, shoving things up their kids’ noses and making them cry, and for what? A negative result in all likelihood because home tests are incredibly unreliable. I know someone who was pretty sure they had it, wanted to confirm, and took 4 tests. Only one of the 4 tests was positive.

Did you see what happened in the Virginia governor’s race? You think there won’t be a revolt if elected officials keep pushing these inane policies aimed to coddle people with zero risk tolerance? The “Beckys” and “Karens” of suburbia are tired and pissed and are going to vote for anyone who promises to end these pain in the butt policies.

I agree: (1) that the governments have failed with not facilitating the availability of wide spread at home tests, (2) adults not also making sacrifices / correct choices (including by not getting fully vaccinated, refusing to wear masks (I cringed or worse when I saw two or three non masked adults in a crowded grocery store this week before Friday’s snow), and (3) as a society we should have opened schools before bars, etc.

All that being said, the day care here is completely reasonable and justified. The daycare is taking responsible steps because (1) the children under its care for the most part cannot be vaccinated, (2) with Omicron the adults working there and the community at large is at risk of transmission through breakthroughs, and (3) our local jurisdictions have tried hard to make PCR tests widely available and relatively quick.

On the push back against election officials trying to protect the public (and voting such science ignorant blowhard law into office) is just the latest example of our country circling the drain towards becoming an undemocratic Trumpian autocracy.

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Ok but why didn’t day cares react similarly to flu pre-covid? That seemed riskier than covid for kids.

Covid does not seem nearly as dangerous as flu for kids.

From a February 2020 article about flu:
“Children ages 4 and younger have been hospitalized at a rate of 80.1 per 100,000 children, the highest rate the CDC has on record, even surpassing rates during the 2009 pandemic.”

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/9761

From a January 7 NYT article:
“More than four in 100,000 children ages 4 and younger admitted to hospitals were infected with the coronavirus as of Jan. 1 — double the rate reported a month ago and about three times the rate this time last year.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/07/health/covid-children-hospitals.html

Notice how the NYT article is carefully worded too because they probably don’t know if the children under 4 were hospitalized for covid or something else, like a broken bone.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks in their 70s, 80s and 90s should be avoiding any contact with daycare or school aged kids right now. Even fully vaxxed and boosted they are more likely to end up really really sick and rates are currently insane. It's not a forever thing--give it a few weeks and this spike should start to resolve.

You know some people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s live with family, including younger children. Where are they supposed to go?

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Its not normal or healthy for preschoolers to constantly have runny noses. Gross.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok but why didn’t day cares react similarly to flu pre-covid? That seemed riskier than covid for kids.

Covid does not seem nearly as dangerous as flu for kids.

From a February 2020 article about flu:
“Children ages 4 and younger have been hospitalized at a rate of 80.1 per 100,000 children, the highest rate the CDC has on record, even surpassing rates during the 2009 pandemic.”

https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/9761

From a January 7 NYT article:
“More than four in 100,000 children ages 4 and younger admitted to hospitals were infected with the coronavirus as of Jan. 1 — double the rate reported a month ago and about three times the rate this time last year.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/07/health/covid-children-hospitals.html

Notice how the NYT article is carefully worded too because they probably don’t know if the children under 4 were hospitalized for covid or something else, like a broken bone.

Ok, I’ll bite. I actually think our country has historically done a poor job of controlling and mitigating flu. I would hope lessons learned from this pandemic will be adopted in the future to combat other upper respiratory viruses, including flu—vaccination, masks when sick around others, staying home if symptomatic, improved ventilation and being outside more, etc. we don’t have to have as much flu as we do and we could save lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks in their 70s, 80s and 90s should be avoiding any contact with daycare or school aged kids right now. Even fully vaxxed and boosted they are more likely to end up really really sick and rates are currently insane. It's not a forever thing--give it a few weeks and this spike should start to resolve.

You know some people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s live with family, including younger children. Where are they supposed to go?

“Not my problem.” This is basically what parents of young kids have heard for the past 2 years when childcare centers and schools shut down overnight. Do you think my employer cares if schools/daycares shut down and I have no childcare? Yet I’m supposed to go into year #3 of caring about elderly people who have access to vaccines and boosters? They can take some of the burden of this from working parents now, it’s time for them to assess the risk for themselves and figure out how they want to handle it. So many of us with young kids were flippantly told to “just hire a nanny” even though that was not in budget for many/most families. So now I flippantly say, go figure it out. I cannot take on responsibility for this any longer.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks in their 70s, 80s and 90s should be avoiding any contact with daycare or school aged kids right now. Even fully vaxxed and boosted they are more likely to end up really really sick and rates are currently insane. It's not a forever thing--give it a few weeks and this spike should start to resolve.

You know some people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s live with family, including younger children. Where are they supposed to go?

“Not my problem.” This is basically what parents of young kids have heard for the past 2 years when childcare centers and schools shut down overnight. Do you think my employer cares if schools/daycares shut down and I have no childcare? Yet I’m supposed to go into year #3 of caring about elderly people who have access to vaccines and boosters? They can take some of the burden of this from working parents now, it’s time for them to assess the risk for themselves and figure out how they want to handle it. So many of us with young kids were flippantly told to “just hire a nanny” even though that was not in budget for many/most families. So now I flippantly say, go figure it out. I cannot take on responsibility for this any longer.

Some of us actually care for young kids and elderly parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks in their 70s, 80s and 90s should be avoiding any contact with daycare or school aged kids right now. Even fully vaxxed and boosted they are more likely to end up really really sick and rates are currently insane. It's not a forever thing--give it a few weeks and this spike should start to resolve.

You know some people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s live with family, including younger children. Where are they supposed to go?

That is for those families to decide. It is not for the public school system to handle. They have enough to think about.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks in their 70s, 80s and 90s should be avoiding any contact with daycare or school aged kids right now. Even fully vaxxed and boosted they are more likely to end up really really sick and rates are currently insane. It's not a forever thing--give it a few weeks and this spike should start to resolve.

You know some people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s live with family, including younger children. Where are they supposed to go?

“Not my problem.” This is basically what parents of young kids have heard for the past 2 years when childcare centers and schools shut down overnight. Do you think my employer cares if schools/daycares shut down and I have no childcare? Yet I’m supposed to go into year #3 of caring about elderly people who have access to vaccines and boosters? They can take some of the burden of this from working parents now, it’s time for them to assess the risk for themselves and figure out how they want to handle it. So many of us with young kids were flippantly told to “just hire a nanny” even though that was not in budget for many/most families. So now I flippantly say, go figure it out. I cannot take on responsibility for this any longer.

Some of us actually care for young kids and elderly parents.

DP than PP, but that’s your problem to navigate. How did you/would you handle flu season before covid? Because covid is less risky than flu now. Stop shutting down day cares for all kids. If you’re freaking out about a cold because you have at risk family members, then take your kid out of day care or, if you’re staff, consider a career change. The rest of us still would like to send our kids so we can keep our jobs. COVID is here to stay, and it will be one of many colds and flus circulating every year.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks in their 70s, 80s and 90s should be avoiding any contact with daycare or school aged kids right now. Even fully vaxxed and boosted they are more likely to end up really really sick and rates are currently insane. It's not a forever thing--give it a few weeks and this spike should start to resolve.

You know some people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s live with family, including younger children. Where are they supposed to go?

“Not my problem.” This is basically what parents of young kids have heard for the past 2 years when childcare centers and schools shut down overnight. Do you think my employer cares if schools/daycares shut down and I have no childcare? Yet I’m supposed to go into year #3 of caring about elderly people who have access to vaccines and boosters? They can take some of the burden of this from working parents now, it’s time for them to assess the risk for themselves and figure out how they want to handle it. So many of us with young kids were flippantly told to “just hire a nanny” even though that was not in budget for many/most families. So now I flippantly say, go figure it out. I cannot take on responsibility for this any longer.

Some of us actually care for young kids and elderly parents.

DP than PP, but that’s your problem to navigate. How did you/would you handle flu season before covid? Because covid is less risky than flu now. Stop shutting down day cares for all kids. If you’re freaking out about a cold because you have at risk family members, then take your kid out of day care or, if you’re staff, consider a career change. The rest of us still would like to send our kids so we can keep our jobs. COVID is here to stay, and it will be one of many colds and flus circulating every year.

And likewise, the inflexibility of your employer is *your* problem to navigate.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks in their 70s, 80s and 90s should be avoiding any contact with daycare or school aged kids right now. Even fully vaxxed and boosted they are more likely to end up really really sick and rates are currently insane. It's not a forever thing--give it a few weeks and this spike should start to resolve.

You know some people in their 70s, 80s, and 90s live with family, including younger children. Where are they supposed to go?

“Not my problem.” This is basically what parents of young kids have heard for the past 2 years when childcare centers and schools shut down overnight. Do you think my employer cares if schools/daycares shut down and I have no childcare? Yet I’m supposed to go into year #3 of caring about elderly people who have access to vaccines and boosters? They can take some of the burden of this from working parents now, it’s time for them to assess the risk for themselves and figure out how they want to handle it. So many of us with young kids were flippantly told to “just hire a nanny” even though that was not in budget for many/most families. So now I flippantly say, go figure it out. I cannot take on responsibility for this any longer.

Some of us actually care for young kids and elderly parents.

DP than PP, but that’s your problem to navigate. How did you/would you handle flu season before covid? Because covid is less risky than flu now. Stop shutting down day cares for all kids. If you’re freaking out about a cold because you have at risk family members, then take your kid out of day care or, if you’re staff, consider a career change. The rest of us still would like to send our kids so we can keep our jobs. COVID is here to stay, and it will be one of many colds and flus circulating every year.

And likewise, the inflexibility of your employer is *your* problem to navigate.

Fair enough. But make it make sense to me. Risk of covid less than flu for kids and vaccinated. So are you saying we should mask forever, start swabbing for flu and colds constantly, and quarantine classrooms whenever any one has flu or a cold? Should we adjust academic calendars so we expect kids to only have a few months of in person learning and allow for the fact that we will have no idea when those days will be because they depend on no one in the classroom being sick? Or should we return to the world as it was with reliable daycares that let parents have jobs with normal employers that don’t provide 6+ months of paid leave every year for child care responsibilities? Cause I’m guessing more people want the latter and want you to figure out how to handle your more unusual situation where you can’t risk anyone in your family getting a cold.