Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't think the text thing matters. Is there any evidence that what is in those messages isn't true? They don't seem to have any evidence that Sloane planted stories about Baldoni, leaked negative or false stories about him, etc. Not even examples of stories that they are accusing her of planting.

In light of that, even if the text conversation was planned to "create a paper trail" -- isn't it also true? It looks like they did not plant any negative stories about Baldoni. Isn't that the relevant issue?

They did plant stories. They told the press the whole cast hated him, among other things. Sloane doesn’t deny it. She said it wasn’t defamation because it was true.

That wasn't a planned story. She was responding to a reporter asking what was going on with him being iced out.

No, Leslie Sloan is being sued for a reason. One of the sketchy things that she did that Justin showed proof of is that she agreed with I believe it was Melissa, I get the publicists confused, not to contact or talk to the press. They were going to take a few days and try to just lay low. Immediately after she sent this text saying neither of us will talk, they had proof that she Texted with a reporter to plant a story. Of course that’s not illegal, but Justin’s team included that to show she is shady as hell and not trustworthy.

And she’s being sued for a reason. Brian Friedman is not stupid.

[Anonymous]

Comment from Variety's fb that I thought was interesting. The user picked this comment up from Jezebel (remember that site?)

Found this comment posted by someone else (prof.jezebel) but it explains what happened SOOO well.
Long one here! This is what I think happened. She had creative differences with Justin as he wanted to make a more artistic film that would support DV victims but she wanted to make a romcom to showcase herself as fashionista, market her products and tie-in with Deadpool. She also was competing with her costar in A Simple Favour, Anna Kendrick, who was starring in a DV movie (Alice, Darling) and starring in her directorial debut (Woman of the Hour), as both had just signed to do Simple Favour 2.

Before filming, Blake refuses to read book or meet with intimacy coordinator or No More (DV organization Justin is consulting with). She took over the costuming of IEWU, firing the designer, and started trying to direct the scenes at start of filming. Justin went along because of wanting to listen to women and for the film to have a female gaze so she saw him as an easy mark. Online criticism of her outfits concerned Sony and they told Justin to address it with Blake. Blake took this as a narcissistic wound and (according to crew reports) started losing interest in the film, acting like she didn't want to be on set. She demanded that they change her character so her costume choices (too expensive etc) would make sense and so the script was changed. She was insecure about her postpartum body but Justin reassured and was supportive of her over texts. But he did need to know her weight to train for the lift scene and get the right stunt double and knew asking her would upset her. So he asked their mutual trainer, who then unprofessionally told Blake. Another narcissistic wound.

During the strikes, she stewed and started exaggerating and inventing complaints to smear Justin. Ryan tried to buy the rights of the sequel from Justin but he refused. Ryan rewrites the rooftop scene to make it more romcom. They hear that Justin just signed Scarlet Johannson (Ryan's ex-wife who he was with when he met Blake) for her directorial debut. Both Ryan and Blake are competitive and really love money and marketing. Why do Anna and Scarlet get to direct and Blake doesn't? We need this film to be a big hit commercially to team with Deadpool, sell our products, and be more successful than Scarlet, show her Blake is better than her. But this Justin guy is making it all earnest and do-gooder, which doesn't sell. They think about how Ryan was able to take over Deadpool from its first director. Ryan is also jealous of Justin's good looks and nice guy reputation. Both Blake & Ryan look down on him though as his earnestness, emotional openness, and good values are threatening to their narcissism and defence systems of image, snarky humour, focus on wealth and fame. They want the franchise for Blake and want to flex on Justin, and compete with Scarlet and Anna.

Strike over, Blake refuses to return to set and calls a meeting at her penthouse. Ryan goes on a tirade against Justin for fat-shaming and they present 17 demands, all as celebrity friends walk in and out, like Taylor Swift. Justin etc are completely blindsided. Most of these demands were already in place (like intimacy coordinator). They didn't do any of the things they are being accused of. But the crew has been out of work during the strikes, Sony wouldn't pay for re-casting the lead now, people's livelihoods and millions are on the line. They agree to the terms but not the accusations.

Now, every time Blake doesn't get what she wants, Justin knows she will falsely accuse him of things that would cancel him and refuse to work, torpedoing the whole film and his career. She keeps misinterpreting their scenes together to threaten smearing him and he says he's not even attracted to her, another narcissistic wound. She gradually takes full control and starts triangulating the cast, smearing Justin and promising the first boyfriend actor roles in Simple Favour 2 and Batman, giving the young Lily actor couture clothes, love-bombing Jenny Slate.

When Justin doesn't love the rooftop scene rewrite that she pretends she wrote, she has Ryan and Taylor load on and he caves. Everything is going her way until she wedges her way into the editing, fires the editors and puts in Ryan's editors to make her own cut. Her agreement with Sony is that only if her cut scores higher with test audiences will it be released. She puts together a her-friends and family screening, cutting out Justin/Wayfarer altogether, to skew feedback in her favour. Still, overall, the audiences score his take higher. So she refuses to promote the film unless her cut is released. Sony caves, though secretly having her editors put back much of his cut because she has made the film completely focused on her, losing key components of the story. Justin takes the high road, putting ego aside, as long as it will still support DV survivors, whatever.

She has him banned from the premiere altogether, only caving to allow him to wait in the basement while she and Ryan and Wolverine do the red carpet, and then his side (including the production company) can watch in a separate, empty theatre, and can't go to the after party they pay for. This is his first time, as director, seeing final cut.

The film is a hit, largely as there is already a huge fan base for the book. But many fans have issues with it not being as close to the book and not truly reflecting DV experience. Then Blake is tone-deaf on the promo tour: dismissive of DV survivors, should I give them my cell number?, wear your florals, my Louboutons!, drink my booze product cocktail named after the abuser in the film. Whereas Justin keeps the focus on DV survivors, directing them to resources like No More, praising Blake the whole time and how much she did beyond acting. Huge backlash against Blake, big narcissistic wound. And Ryan still doesn't have the rights to the franchise. So false accusations to: 1) get the rights through the morality clause, 2) deflect public criticism, 3) shift blame to Justin, 4) cancelling Justin = tanking Wayfarer = messing up Scarlet's directorial debut.

It wasn't that she caught feelings or Ryan was jealous of Justin. They look down on him as a do-gooder sensitive wimp who will never be as rich and famous as them. It was all about power, ego and money. Most of all, ego.

Ryan's creation of the Nicepool character, mocking his feminism and niceness, calling for an intimacy coordinator, having Ladypool kill him in front of a flower shop, is psychologically interesting. It is so like the quarterback and the cheerleader bullying the art student, revealing immaturity, insecurity, narcissism and arrogance. Think of Justin's depth, comfort with intimacy, maturity, etc. in comments like how he and his wife can stare into each others' eyes silently, some of their most beautiful moments where when only she had O, etc. And Blake's responses: she'd be mortified if intimacy was focused just on her pleasure, it's sociopathic to stare into a lover's eyes, she and Ryan talk all the time and it's more than cute. Who Justin is held up a threatening mirror to this couple, showing how shallow, egoistic, materialistic, how ultimately un-evolved, they are, and for that too he needed to be destroyed.

Blake seems a full-on narcissist with a long track record of bullying and entitlement and self-regard. But I think Ryan is smarter, more self-aware, has become more entitled and narcissistic with fame, but is essentially insecure, and has a need, with his businesses too, to prove himself constantly. His humour hits because it doesn't just attack others, it also exposes his vulnerabilities, and shows genuine empathy at times, which a true narcissist can't do. Hard to say who was the main driver of this campaign.But I hope this exposure will lead to justice for Justin, disempowerment and invisibility for Blake, and real soul-searching for Ryan.

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Anonymous wrote:Baldoni sure did fight pretty hard to get Lively to be topless in a birth scene, even though birth scenes really aren’t shot that way and he was totally springing unexpected nudity on her. Dude is at minimum a weirdo that bills himself as a feminist even though he has the strangest ideas about women and will mansplain what a normal birth looks like to a woman who has given birth four times — and seems more and more likely to be an actual sexual harasser. But go ahead and listen to Bryan Freedman appearing on Megyn Kelly or maybe get some more talking points from Candace Owen’s — I’m sure maybe you will even come to see Jed Wallace as another great hero who comes in to save the day. Good luck with that one, but I’m sure you can find a way.

That is her *claim.* You don’t seem to understand that every time you post this same argument, you are assuming that her version is the true version.

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Bravo PP. No notes.

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Wow, the person who just posted that long explanation. It never even occurred to me that he would need to know her exact way to hire the stunt double. Obviously, if you’re hiring that person, you need to get an approximate height and weight. And they did higher on double, and it was rehearsed. I’m sure they have that on film and it will come up later.

And obviously, Ryan and Blake knew that. That’s when their scheming started. Let’s use this to hit him where it hurts. That’s when their scheming started. We have the fat shaming. We can start to take over there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Baldoni sure did fight pretty hard to get Lively to be topless in a birth scene, even though birth scenes really aren’t shot that way and he was totally springing unexpected nudity on her. Dude is at minimum a weirdo that bills himself as a feminist even though he has the strangest ideas about women and will mansplain what a normal birth looks like to a woman who has given birth four times — and seems more and more likely to be an actual sexual harasser. But go ahead and listen to Bryan Freedman appearing on Megyn Kelly or maybe get some more talking points from Candace Owen’s — I’m sure maybe you will even come to see Jed Wallace as another great hero who comes in to save the day. Good luck with that one, but I’m sure you can find a way.

That is her *claim.* You don’t seem to understand that every time you post this same argument, you are assuming that her version is the true version.

Actually you can tell from what he argues with from her complaint and what he doesn’t that he was admitting the “normal person” and the extra nudity from the birth scene, so sure let’s see how that comes out in discovery and depositions.

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Same is true for both sides. You can't accept one side as fact and one as just her / his version. The vast majority is just their claims and meant to make their clients look good and the other bad. Even the 'evidence' isn't much - some emails and out of context texts. Both have included texts the other didn't -none of it tells the full story. So there are probably even more that neither have included. So far all we have is very biased and only a piece of the full picture.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the person who just posted that long explanation. It never even occurred to me that he would need to know her exact way to hire the stunt double. Obviously, if you’re hiring that person, you need to get an approximate height and weight. And they did higher on double, and it was rehearsed. I’m sure they have that on film and it will come up later.

And obviously, Ryan and Blake knew that. That’s when their scheming started. Let’s use this to hit him where it hurts. That’s when their scheming started. We have the fat shaming. We can start to take over there.

I am sure there is a process when it comes to stunts and I would imagine usually it would be a stunt coordinator who would ensure how to rehearse safely for a stunt. I really doubt it is left up to the actors to ask each other how much they weigh to train for stunts. That seems like a major safety risk on set. Addtionally Blake's claim related to the weight is again - not just that incident and the weight issues are only one thing in the overall picture about the offensive environment on site. People nit picking one specific detail as though it is an aha moment don't understand the complaint at large

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Same is true for both sides. You can't accept one side as fact and one as just her / his version. The vast majority is just their claims and meant to make their clients look good and the other bad. Even the 'evidence' isn't much - some emails and out of context texts. Both have included texts the other didn't -none of it tells the full story. So there are probably even more that neither have included. So far all we have is very biased and only a piece of the full picture.

But many of us have been following the full story, and have seen both sides, and he is the one with much more compelling evidence. I mean this is why the public is on his side, while he’s gained hundreds of thousands of followers and she’s lost hundreds of thousands of followers.

I totally agree with some of what he has put forth his narrative and skewed just like what she did. But the overall facts are overwhelmingly on his side. Many many people are looking at this and it’s just not passing the snuff test for sexual harassment.

The problem is, a lot of the stuff was laid out in big picture terms back in August before any of these lawsuits started. The narrative has always been there and it hasn’t really changed despite hundreds and hundreds of legal filings.

What I heard was that Justin asked about her weight for a reason, she took that as fat shaming, and things were off to a rocky start. I also heard that she lost interest in the film once she was getting criticism about her outfits online, and once the strike happened. That totally tracks because she has a history of flitting from business to business and not really focusing on anything to make it a success. If you look at it, she didn’t really work on this film, she took control of it put forth very little effort. She claims she wrote the rooftop scene, turns out it was Ryan. She claimed she took over the editing, turns out it was the Deadpool editor. So she tries to take all these credit for things because she handed it off to other people to do.

I think she resented that she’s doing this movie with the first time director, that it’s not Barbie, it’s not Jurassic Park, which Scarlett is doing BTW. She thought she deserved more and she went for it, and Ryan enabled her.

The sexual harassment stuff always seemed off to me because of the power dynamics. She had a ton of power on that film. And Justin with no history of bad behavior and all of a sudden he’s harassing all the female actresses, but no WAIT it’s not just Justin, it’s the weird OB/GYN actor, and it’s Jamie Heath, And it’s the two assistant director she had fired and it’s the creepy financer who wanted to come and watch her give birth, but oh wait he wasn’t on set after all.

Sorry it’s just not adding up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, the person who just posted that long explanation. It never even occurred to me that he would need to know her exact way to hire the stunt double. Obviously, if you’re hiring that person, you need to get an approximate height and weight. And they did higher on double, and it was rehearsed. I’m sure they have that on film and it will come up later.

And obviously, Ryan and Blake knew that. That’s when their scheming started. Let’s use this to hit him where it hurts. That’s when their scheming started. We have the fat shaming. We can start to take over there.

I am sure there is a process when it comes to stunts and I would imagine usually it would be a stunt coordinator who would ensure how to rehearse safely for a stunt. I really doubt it is left up to the actors to ask each other how much they weigh to train for stunts. That seems like a major safety risk on set. Addtionally Blake's claim related to the weight is again - not just that incident and the weight issues are only one thing in the overall picture about the offensive environment on site. People nit picking one specific detail as though it is an aha moment don't understand the complaint at large

We can nitpick this for days, the fact is there was a legitimate reason he might’ve needed to know her weight. I don’t understand how that is in question after all this time. It is not completely out of line for him to want to know if in fact, they were hiring a stunt double and in fact, he was going to have to lift her.

Regardless, do you really think he was doing it to fat shame her? Do you really think Justin, with all that he had to worry about on this film was really focused on Blake‘s weight? I see no evidence of that. It seems she was hyper focused on it but he didn’t give a crap. Let’s face it, she posted a picture of herself on Super Bowl 2023, just a couple days after giving birth, and frankly, she looked thin. There’s nothing to fat shame here. She then if you go back on her Instagram has bikini pics of her in April before shooting started. Her weight was fine. No one gave a crap about her weight but her. Maybe Ryan was giving her crap I don’t know. But Justin really wasn’t. do you really honestly think after all this time he was fat shaming her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Same is true for both sides. You can't accept one side as fact and one as just her / his version. The vast majority is just their claims and meant to make their clients look good and the other bad. Even the 'evidence' isn't much - some emails and out of context texts. Both have included texts the other didn't -none of it tells the full story. So there are probably even more that neither have included. So far all we have is very biased and only a piece of the full picture.

But many of us have been following the full story, and have seen both sides, and he is the one with much more compelling evidence. I mean this is why the public is on his side, while he’s gained hundreds of thousands of followers and she’s lost hundreds of thousands of followers.

I totally agree with some of what he has put forth his narrative and skewed just like what she did. But the overall facts are overwhelmingly on his side. Many many people are looking at this and it’s just not passing the snuff test for sexual harassment.

The problem is, a lot of the stuff was laid out in big picture terms back in August before any of these lawsuits started. The narrative has always been there and it hasn’t really changed despite hundreds and hundreds of legal filings.

What I heard was that Justin asked about her weight for a reason, she took that as fat shaming, and things were off to a rocky start. I also heard that she lost interest in the film once she was getting criticism about her outfits online, and once the strike happened. That totally tracks because she has a history of flitting from business to business and not really focusing on anything to make it a success. If you look at it, she didn’t really work on this film, she took control of it put forth very little effort. She claims she wrote the rooftop scene, turns out it was Ryan. She claimed she took over the editing, turns out it was the Deadpool editor. So she tries to take all these credit for things because she handed it off to other people to do.

I think she resented that she’s doing this movie with the first time director, that it’s not Barbie, it’s not Jurassic Park, which Scarlett is doing BTW. She thought she deserved more and she went for it, and Ryan enabled her.

The sexual harassment stuff always seemed off to me because of the power dynamics. She had a ton of power on that film. And Justin with no history of bad behavior and all of a sudden he’s harassing all the female actresses, but no WAIT it’s not just Justin, it’s the weird OB/GYN actor, and it’s Jamie Heath, And it’s the two assistant director she had fired and it’s the creepy financer who wanted to come and watch her give birth, but oh wait he wasn’t on set after all.

Sorry it’s just not adding up.

There isn't much evidence however when you don't have the full picture. Something that looks like 'evidence' changes when you get the rest of the story. So, I don't think he really has compelling evidence either at this point. And based on what is on here, most people just read social media or headlines and form opinions that they state as facts. So the general public opinion is meaningless to me. The vast majority of what I see is speculation, fan fiction, jumping on bandwagons, uninformed opinions, and a lack of critical thinking. There is so much extraneous information that people are using as though it matters - when relly it doens't. Who you like or don't like is irrelevant in the long run. Most clearly haven't even read the full complaints, hence why so many keep coming to their own conclusions and thinking these are accurate. Most don't even know the legal definition of sexual harrassment, the legal process and the games the lawyers play, or what each is actually suing for! I have seen so much misinformation taken as 'fact' and 'evidence' that is completely opinon based and then gets shared and reshared as facts.

[Anonymous]

What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, the person who just posted that long explanation. It never even occurred to me that he would need to know her exact way to hire the stunt double. Obviously, if you’re hiring that person, you need to get an approximate height and weight. And they did higher on double, and it was rehearsed. I’m sure they have that on film and it will come up later.

And obviously, Ryan and Blake knew that. That’s when their scheming started. Let’s use this to hit him where it hurts. That’s when their scheming started. We have the fat shaming. We can start to take over there.

I am sure there is a process when it comes to stunts and I would imagine usually it would be a stunt coordinator who would ensure how to rehearse safely for a stunt. I really doubt it is left up to the actors to ask each other how much they weigh to train for stunts. That seems like a major safety risk on set. Addtionally Blake's claim related to the weight is again - not just that incident and the weight issues are only one thing in the overall picture about the offensive environment on site. People nit picking one specific detail as though it is an aha moment don't understand the complaint at large

We can nitpick this for days, the fact is there was a legitimate reason he might’ve needed to know her weight. I don’t understand how that is in question after all this time. It is not completely out of line for him to want to know if in fact, they were hiring a stunt double and in fact, he was going to have to lift her.

Regardless, do you really think he was doing it to fat shame her? Do you really think Justin, with all that he had to worry about on this film was really focused on Blake‘s weight? I see no evidence of that. It seems she was hyper focused on it but he didn’t give a crap. Let’s face it, she posted a picture of herself on Super Bowl 2023, just a couple days after giving birth, and frankly, she looked thin. There’s nothing to fat shame here. She then if you go back on her Instagram has bikini pics of her in April before shooting started. Her weight was fine. No one gave a crap about her weight but her. Maybe Ryan was giving her crap I don’t know. But Justin really wasn’t. do you really honestly think after all this time he was fat shaming her?[/quote

None of this relates to the lawsuit. You can make up whatever narratives you want - it isn't really relevant to anything.

As for process on set related to stunts and stunt doubles - as I said, most movies would have a process or a coordinator. Not leave it to the actors to go around asking everyone their weights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

I don’t agree. This is not just entertainment weekly covering the story every few days in three paragraphs. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of pages of complaints, we’ve seen video from the movie, screenshots of texts. Yes, a lot of this is narrative and it does need to hold up in a court of law, but to say this is all just speculation is crazy. We all live in the real world here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you heard, read online, think, and feel has zero connection to what the facts of the case are.

I don’t agree. This is not just entertainment weekly covering the story every few days in three paragraphs. We have seen hundreds and hundreds of pages of complaints, we’ve seen video from the movie, screenshots of texts. Yes, a lot of this is narrative and it does need to hold up in a court of law, but to say this is all just speculation is crazy. We all live in the real world here.

The movie clips you see isn't all that was filmed. Most scenes have multiple takes and are released very selectively. Just because you saw a few seconds of film doesn't actually mean you know all the facts and you have the evidence. That is my point. Just because one side shared texts that they felt supported their client and made the other look bad doesn't mean you have all the evidence and know the facts of the case. They left out many others they didn't want you to see. The complaints are biased and they only share some information (and intentionally omit others) and only share with with inflammatory and dramtic language and a bias that is defending their client and attacking the person being sued. It isn't giving you the full picture. Your post is my point exactly. Saying well I heard Blake is like xx or I read on Lipstick Alley that Justing is yyy - isn't facts. Saying well I think I know what happened isn't fact. Saying well I feel Justin would never or Blake would always isn't fact. Reading someone else's opinion and deciding that is what happened - doesn't actually mean that is what happened. Even if you heard it on Youtube or read it on a forum or whatever.