Anonymous wrote:Not only are they OK with that long commute for their kids, many bought their homes in that area hoping they would continue to be zoned for Langley, despite the 13 mile drive. It is a sacrifice they are willing to make in order to avoid sending their kids to (gasp!) Herndon.
But, but … the Forestville kids are not socializing with their community and are being bussed far away. You’d think they’d want their kids to stay close to their community and not be sent to far off Langley.
What is your definition of community? The Forestville kids from Herndon participate mostly in Great Falls-based sports/activities, not Herndon-based. I know this because we live in (a non-Forestville part of) Great Falls. To the extent community is relevant, their community mostly centers on Great Falls.
Imagine these kids making new friends at a different school. They could keep their club sports teams friends and make new ones at school. Seems like a great opportunity to me.
BTW, my kids played on a variety of club sports. Their teammates came from many different public and private schools, high schools, some even from Loudoun. I am glad they had a chance to branch out socially through athletics.
Anonymous wrote:West Springfield PTSA is having a meeting that Sandy Anderson and Rachna Sizemore Heizer are attending to answer questions about boundary shifts tonight at 7:30. Seems brave of them if the capacity boundary changes come out right before and WSHS has major changes.
Looks like the school board reps are appearing via zoom instead of in person.
Anonymous wrote:Not only are they OK with that long commute for their kids, many bought their homes in that area hoping they would continue to be zoned for Langley, despite the 13 mile drive. It is a sacrifice they are willing to make in order to avoid sending their kids to (gasp!) Herndon.
But, but … the Forestville kids are not socializing with their community and are being bussed far away. You’d think they’d want their kids to stay close to their community and not be sent to far off Langley.
What is your definition of community? The Forestville kids from Herndon participate mostly in Great Falls-based sports/activities, not Herndon-based. I know this because we live in (a non-Forestville part of) Great Falls. To the extent community is relevant, their community mostly centers on Great Falls.
Imagine these kids making new friends at a different school. They could keep their club sports teams friends and make new ones at school. Seems like a great opportunity to me.
BTW, my kids played on a variety of club sports. Their teammates came from many different public and private schools, high schools, some even from Loudoun. I am glad they had a chance to branch out socially through athletics.
There is a big difference between a boundary redraw when there is a real need and when it is necessary.
When it is clear that this is being done for reasons other than a real need, there is a problem.
Anonymous wrote:Not only are they OK with that long commute for their kids, many bought their homes in that area hoping they would continue to be zoned for Langley, despite the 13 mile drive. It is a sacrifice they are willing to make in order to avoid sending their kids to (gasp!) Herndon.
But, but … the Forestville kids are not socializing with their community and are being bussed far away. You’d think they’d want their kids to stay close to their community and not be sent to far off Langley.
What is your definition of community? The Forestville kids from Herndon participate mostly in Great Falls-based sports/activities, not Herndon-based. I know this because we live in (a non-Forestville part of) Great Falls. To the extent community is relevant, their community mostly centers on Great Falls.
Imagine these kids making new friends at a different school. They could keep their club sports teams friends and make new ones at school. Seems like a great opportunity to me.
BTW, my kids played on a variety of club sports. Their teammates came from many different public and private schools, high schools, some even from Loudoun. I am glad they had a chance to branch out socially through athletics.
Gotta love when randos on the internet tell you what is best for your child. The paternalism continues to ooze from the SB shills.
Anonymous wrote:Putting the ATT site housing into Fairfax is stupid. It's about 3 miles via roads and 66 has to be crossed. Oakton is 1.8 miles which could even be a doable walk especially if they make some fixes on Blake. It's also practically across the street from Oakton ES which currently has more capacity than Providence ES. Providence will be undergoing renovation int he next couple years but it's only to add 4 classrooms. Two would replace trailers. It's more to upgrade to a more modern school design and fix worn out stuff as the oldest parts of the school are from the 50s. The City of Fairfax is going to push back on the county overcrowding City Schools.
Got some money invested in that new development, do you?
Absolutely no money in AT&T. I'm a Fairfax City resident paying a lot for a bond and don't want City kids in over crowed schools. For the folks who think test scores will drop I'm not so sure. Housing stock is changing in Fairfax City small post World War II houses being replaced by new builds. I don't mean take out all county kids but overcrowding Providence isn't right. Stupid Frisch and the damn dog park. I actually voted for that school bond. I lived in Oakton at the time.
Anonymous wrote:West Springfield PTSA is having a meeting that Sandy Anderson and Rachna Sizemore Heizer are attending to answer questions about boundary shifts tonight at 7:30. Seems brave of them if the capacity boundary changes come out right before and WSHS has major changes.
Looks like the school board reps are appearing via zoom instead of in person.
The news for WSHS must be bad.
Wow, what do we think they’ll do? Turn HV back into a split feeder with Key/Lewis or possibly South County? West Springfield Elementary to Lewis? I know this was speculated in the past based on the magisterial district changes. Was this meeting planned in advance or was it last minute?
Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon
It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.
West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.
Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.
Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.
How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.
Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.
And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?
But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.
“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.
Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.
As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.
Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.
Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.
Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.
Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.
You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.
Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.
They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.
To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.
The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS
Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.
In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.
The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.
Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.
You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.
Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.
Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.
Good luck living your petty life.
Different poster here. I'm in WSHS area and our area appreciates your support.
Speak for yourself, not for our area.
Let me guess, you are the BRAC member who is on record being for boundary changes for others, but not for her own kids.
Nope. Once again, you people are not grasping that many support overdue boundary changes.
+1. New poster here.
Be careful what you wish for. Turns out that the school board is about to go nuclear with the boundaries.
Let’s see how well this ages. A few weeks ago the flood of “there will be a pause announced after spring break” posts did not age well.
Sure. Let’s put a pin in this. Make sure to follow up whether you are right or wrong, and I’ll do the same. Deal?
Now we just gotta wait for those night worm BRAC members to wake up.
Fair enough. How would define nuclear? It’s only fair to have an objective measure of whether the prediction (or informed hint) bore out.
Unanticipated boundary moves on a scale larger than many anticipated with tens of thousands of kids’ mental health being collateral damage. And in areas many felt were safe from boundary changes.
As someone who experienced a FCPS boundary change years ago, I don’t think there was any major damage to my mental health. Freshman year at a high school I hadn’t planned or wanted to attend sucked. Most of the kids knew each other from middle school but I only knew kids from my elementary school, and some of them had attended a different middle school. I felt like an outsider crashing a party without an invitation. But things did improve the next year. Getting involved in some activities was key.
Not saying they should change boundaries without a compelling reason, just that the rhetoric is overblown. A boundary change is inconvenient and disruptive, and parents can have some unhappy kids on their hands for a while, but it’s not going to send them off to a psych ward.
Well, by all means let’s extrapolate your rose-colored experience from years ago and jump to conclusions about how boundary changes would affect any kid in the county.
I didn’t think this was a rose-colored version of events. Although I did fine academically, socially I felt adrift for my entire freshman year and I think some others in my situation felt similarly.
I think you’re confirming, though that a boundary change might be more earth-shattering for some parents whose ideas of status are wrapped up with their kids attending a particular school than it ultimately would be for the kids.
College application now are SO different than 20-30 years ago when you were a teenager.
Moving kids during high school is unconscionable, especially when no one at the bigger schools are asking to be rezoned.
Maybe I am wrong, but don’t students usually ask teachers that taught them their junior year for recs? Also, not all students plan on going to college. Would it be correct for fcps to cater mostly to college bound students and families?
Yes, the school board should absolutely consider college bound students (which includes the vast majority of FCPS high schoolers).
Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon
It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.
West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.
Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.
Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.
How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.
Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.
And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?
But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.
“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.
Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.
As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.
Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.
Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.
Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.
Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.
You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.
Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.
They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.
To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.
The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS
Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.
In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.
The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.
Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.
You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.
Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.
Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.
Good luck living your petty life.
Different poster here. I'm in WSHS area and our area appreciates your support.
Speak for yourself, not for our area.
Let me guess, you are the BRAC member who is on record being for boundary changes for others, but not for her own kids.
Nope. Once again, you people are not grasping that many support overdue boundary changes.
+1. New poster here.
Be careful what you wish for. Turns out that the school board is about to go nuclear with the boundaries.
Let’s see how well this ages. A few weeks ago the flood of “there will be a pause announced after spring break” posts did not age well.
Sure. Let’s put a pin in this. Make sure to follow up whether you are right or wrong, and I’ll do the same. Deal?
Now we just gotta wait for those night worm BRAC members to wake up.
Fair enough. How would define nuclear? It’s only fair to have an objective measure of whether the prediction (or informed hint) bore out.
Unanticipated boundary moves on a scale larger than many anticipated with tens of thousands of kids’ mental health being collateral damage. And in areas many felt were safe from boundary changes.
As someone who experienced a FCPS boundary change years ago, I don’t think there was any major damage to my mental health. Freshman year at a high school I hadn’t planned or wanted to attend sucked. Most of the kids knew each other from middle school but I only knew kids from my elementary school, and some of them had attended a different middle school. I felt like an outsider crashing a party without an invitation. But things did improve the next year. Getting involved in some activities was key.
Not saying they should change boundaries without a compelling reason, just that the rhetoric is overblown. A boundary change is inconvenient and disruptive, and parents can have some unhappy kids on their hands for a while, but it’s not going to send them off to a psych ward.
Well, by all means let’s extrapolate your rose-colored experience from years ago and jump to conclusions about how boundary changes would affect any kid in the county.
I didn’t think this was a rose-colored version of events. Although I did fine academically, socially I felt adrift for my entire freshman year and I think some others in my situation felt similarly.
I think you’re confirming, though that a boundary change might be more earth-shattering for some parents whose ideas of status are wrapped up with their kids attending a particular school than it ultimately would be for the kids.
Sorry, but you don't know any parents of teens if you think that the push back against rezoning is because parents are "wrapped up in status."
What a rude post.
Parents, nearly all of them, want what is best for their kids, period, and don't want their kids used as political pawns based on their grades, race and ethnic background, One Fairfax "equity", and their parents' jobs.
For those who don't know: Oakton has more "status" than Chantilly.
And, for the record, I know people who lived there then. They very much wanted to stay at Chantilly.
Anonymous wrote:West Springfield PTSA is having a meeting that Sandy Anderson and Rachna Sizemore Heizer are attending to answer questions about boundary shifts tonight at 7:30. Seems brave of them if the capacity boundary changes come out right before and WSHS has major changes.
Looks like the school board reps are appearing via zoom instead of in person.
The news for WSHS must be bad.
Wow, what do we think they’ll do? Turn HV back into a split feeder with Key/Lewis or possibly South County? West Springfield Elementary to Lewis? I know this was speculated in the past based on the magisterial district changes. Was this meeting planned in advance or was it last minute?
I don't know.
But it appears to be zoom, with pre submitted/pre-screened questions only.
Has there been any discussion about staff changes?
I know that when new school opens, there are teachers who want to be a part of it. But, switching to another school that is already established is a different thing.
Some teachers may jump at the opportunity to move because of a closer location, but, I suspect, most will not choose to move and learn new systems, etc.
If you think parents are upset, just wait until teachers get moved involuntarily.
Anonymous wrote:Has there been any discussion about staff changes?
I know that when new school opens, there are teachers who want to be a part of it. But, switching to another school that is already established is a different thing.
Some teachers may jump at the opportunity to move because of a closer location, but, I suspect, most will not choose to move and learn new systems, etc.
If you think parents are upset, just wait until teachers get moved involuntarily.
Another good point and I don’t think it has ever been addressed.
Anonymous wrote:Has there been any discussion about staff changes?
I know that when new school opens, there are teachers who want to be a part of it. But, switching to another school that is already established is a different thing.
Some teachers may jump at the opportunity to move because of a closer location, but, I suspect, most will not choose to move and learn new systems, etc.
If you think parents are upset, just wait until teachers get moved involuntarily.
Another good point and I don’t think it has ever been addressed.
I assume that's why they put quite a few teachers on the BRAC.
Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon
It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.
West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.
Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.
Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.
How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.
Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.
And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?
But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.
“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.
Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.
As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.
Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.
Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.
Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.
Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.
You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.
Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.
They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.
To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.
The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS
Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.
In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.
The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.
Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.
You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.
Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.
Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.
Good luck living your petty life.
Different poster here. I'm in WSHS area and our area appreciates your support.
Speak for yourself, not for our area.
Let me guess, you are the BRAC member who is on record being for boundary changes for others, but not for her own kids.
Nope. Once again, you people are not grasping that many support overdue boundary changes.
+1. New poster here.
Be careful what you wish for. Turns out that the school board is about to go nuclear with the boundaries.
Let’s see how well this ages. A few weeks ago the flood of “there will be a pause announced after spring break” posts did not age well.
Sure. Let’s put a pin in this. Make sure to follow up whether you are right or wrong, and I’ll do the same. Deal?
Now we just gotta wait for those night worm BRAC members to wake up.
Fair enough. How would define nuclear? It’s only fair to have an objective measure of whether the prediction (or informed hint) bore out.
Unanticipated boundary moves on a scale larger than many anticipated with tens of thousands of kids’ mental health being collateral damage. And in areas many felt were safe from boundary changes.
As someone who experienced a FCPS boundary change years ago, I don’t think there was any major damage to my mental health. Freshman year at a high school I hadn’t planned or wanted to attend sucked. Most of the kids knew each other from middle school but I only knew kids from my elementary school, and some of them had attended a different middle school. I felt like an outsider crashing a party without an invitation. But things did improve the next year. Getting involved in some activities was key.
Not saying they should change boundaries without a compelling reason, just that the rhetoric is overblown. A boundary change is inconvenient and disruptive, and parents can have some unhappy kids on their hands for a while, but it’s not going to send them off to a psych ward.
Well, by all means let’s extrapolate your rose-colored experience from years ago and jump to conclusions about how boundary changes would affect any kid in the county.
I didn’t think this was a rose-colored version of events. Although I did fine academically, socially I felt adrift for my entire freshman year and I think some others in my situation felt similarly.
I think you’re confirming, though that a boundary change might be more earth-shattering for some parents whose ideas of status are wrapped up with their kids attending a particular school than it ultimately would be for the kids.
Sorry, but you don't know any parents of teens if you think that the push back against rezoning is because parents are "wrapped up in status."
What a rude post.
Parents, nearly all of them, want what is best for their kids, period, and don't want their kids used as political pawns based on their grades, race and ethnic background, One Fairfax "equity", and their parents' jobs.
For those who don't know: Oakton has more "status" than Chantilly.
And, for the record, I know people who lived there then. They very much wanted to stay at Chantilly.
In that case, the inconvenience of a longer commute to Oakton outweighed Oakton's marginally higher status than Chantilly for some people. Yeah, one pissed-out woman attacked Kathy Smith but she was extreme.
In Langley's case, they embrace a longer commute than anyone else has to a neighborhood school because they perceive Herndon's status as much lower. The Forestville folks are at the edge of Great Falls and almost in Sterling. Reassign them to Herndon High and you might as well call the area North Herndon. Oh, the horror!
Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon
It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.
West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.
Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.
Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.
How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.
Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.
And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?
But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.
“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.
Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.
As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.
Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.
Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.
Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.
Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.
You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.
Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.
They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.
To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.
The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS
Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.
In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.
The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.
Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.
You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.
Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.
Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.
Good luck living your petty life.
Different poster here. I'm in WSHS area and our area appreciates your support.
Speak for yourself, not for our area.
Let me guess, you are the BRAC member who is on record being for boundary changes for others, but not for her own kids.
Nope. Once again, you people are not grasping that many support overdue boundary changes.
+1. New poster here.
Be careful what you wish for. Turns out that the school board is about to go nuclear with the boundaries.
Let’s see how well this ages. A few weeks ago the flood of “there will be a pause announced after spring break” posts did not age well.
Sure. Let’s put a pin in this. Make sure to follow up whether you are right or wrong, and I’ll do the same. Deal?
Now we just gotta wait for those night worm BRAC members to wake up.
Fair enough. How would define nuclear? It’s only fair to have an objective measure of whether the prediction (or informed hint) bore out.
Unanticipated boundary moves on a scale larger than many anticipated with tens of thousands of kids’ mental health being collateral damage. And in areas many felt were safe from boundary changes.
As someone who experienced a FCPS boundary change years ago, I don’t think there was any major damage to my mental health. Freshman year at a high school I hadn’t planned or wanted to attend sucked. Most of the kids knew each other from middle school but I only knew kids from my elementary school, and some of them had attended a different middle school. I felt like an outsider crashing a party without an invitation. But things did improve the next year. Getting involved in some activities was key.
Not saying they should change boundaries without a compelling reason, just that the rhetoric is overblown. A boundary change is inconvenient and disruptive, and parents can have some unhappy kids on their hands for a while, but it’s not going to send them off to a psych ward.
Well, by all means let’s extrapolate your rose-colored experience from years ago and jump to conclusions about how boundary changes would affect any kid in the county.
I didn’t think this was a rose-colored version of events. Although I did fine academically, socially I felt adrift for my entire freshman year and I think some others in my situation felt similarly.
I think you’re confirming, though that a boundary change might be more earth-shattering for some parents whose ideas of status are wrapped up with their kids attending a particular school than it ultimately would be for the kids.
Sorry, but you don't know any parents of teens if you think that the push back against rezoning is because parents are "wrapped up in status."
What a rude post.
Parents, nearly all of them, want what is best for their kids, period, and don't want their kids used as political pawns based on their grades, race and ethnic background, One Fairfax "equity", and their parents' jobs.
For those who don't know: Oakton has more "status" than Chantilly.
And, for the record, I know people who lived there then. They very much wanted to stay at Chantilly.
In that case, the inconvenience of a longer commute to Oakton outweighed Oakton's marginally higher status than Chantilly for some people. Yeah, one pissed-out woman attacked Kathy Smith but she was extreme.
In Langley's case, they embrace a longer commute than anyone else has to a neighborhood school because they perceive Herndon's status as much lower. The Forestville folks are at the edge of Great Falls and almost in Sterling. Reassign them to Herndon High and you might as well call the area North Herndon. Oh, the horror!
I find it telling that only the boundary change proponents disparage Herndon on this forum.
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