Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the Taylor Swift haters would watch clips of the kids getting the 22 hats on the tour. How can you have such disdain for someone who is bringing that kind of joy to kids? They don’t give a crap about paparazzi or conspiracy theories or any of this nonsense.

Amazing to see, I agree.

I have vastly a different opinion on this.

Your kids’ and that kid’s doctors coaches and teachers give a whole lot more to your kid and that kid than Taylor Swift does.

She is like the tele-evangelist who goes up to a sick believe, touches them on the forehead says “Jesus saves” and you buy more into it literally and figuratively.

Nobody said Taylor is the most important person in that child’s life ever. Get a grip. They like her and her music. They are happy when they get to meet her and get the hat. People like to see kids smiling. It’s not any deeper than that.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor and Travis has been the most authentic celebrity relationship I've seen in a while.

I don't even know what this means? Do you mean authentic in terms of whether they are actually dating or authentic in terms of how long it will last or what?

Like I think Timothee Chalamet and Kendall Jenner are (were?) in an "authentic" relationship, but also a very shallow one that is unlikely to last. Meanwhile, Keri Russell and Matthew Rhys seem to have an authentic relationship that is much deeper. But I wouldn't describe either relationship as fake or inauthentic.

So I don't get how Travis and Taylor can be "the most authentic" -- I assume most celeb relationships are authentic, even if they are short lived or the attraction is shallow, or the people involved seem mismatched. Are you saying most celeb relationships aren't real, or that Travis and Taylor (who haven't been together that long and have been dating during a time when they actually can't spend that much time together) have a love that is more "real" than others?

It just seems like a weird comparison to draw. Especially when, ultimately, these are all strangers and we can't *really* know what is in any of these people's hearts.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the Taylor Swift haters would watch clips of the kids getting the 22 hats on the tour. How can you have such disdain for someone who is bringing that kind of joy to kids? They don’t give a crap about paparazzi or conspiracy theories or any of this nonsense.

Amazing to see, I agree.

I have vastly a different opinion on this.

Your kids’ and that kid’s doctors coaches and teachers give a whole lot more to your kid and that kid than Taylor Swift does.

She is like the tele-evangelist who goes up to a sick believe, touches them on the forehead says “Jesus saves” and you buy more into it literally and figuratively.

What - and I mean this literally- TAF are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the Taylor Swift haters would watch clips of the kids getting the 22 hats on the tour. How can you have such disdain for someone who is bringing that kind of joy to kids? They don’t give a crap about paparazzi or conspiracy theories or any of this nonsense.

Amazing to see, I agree.

I have vastly a different opinion on this.

Your kids’ and that kid’s doctors coaches and teachers give a whole lot more to your kid and that kid than Taylor Swift does.

She is like the tele-evangelist who goes up to a sick believe, touches them on the forehead says “Jesus saves” and you buy more into it literally and figuratively.

What - and I mean this literally- TAF are you talking about?

I get where PP is coming from. It's not that hard for someone like Swift to do something like this for these kids. It's a sweet gesture that no doubt totally makes that kid's year. But it's useful to have some perspective here. She's not curing cancer. She's using her star power to do something nice for a sick kid (and it happens to be very good for her PR at the same time). Making too much of it kind of ignores the fact that a child with leukemia or a similar illness likely has a team of dedicated medical staff and family helping them every day, and the 22 hat thing is just a gesture. A sweet, kind gesture, yes. But it's not as hard or meaningful, ultimately, as actually caring for these kids day in and day out. I think Taylor would agree with that too.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the Taylor Swift haters would watch clips of the kids getting the 22 hats on the tour. How can you have such disdain for someone who is bringing that kind of joy to kids? They don’t give a crap about paparazzi or conspiracy theories or any of this nonsense.

Amazing to see, I agree.

I have vastly a different opinion on this.

Your kids’ and that kid’s doctors coaches and teachers give a whole lot more to your kid and that kid than Taylor Swift does.

She is like the tele-evangelist who goes up to a sick believe, touches them on the forehead says “Jesus saves” and you buy more into it literally and figuratively.

What - and I mean this literally- TAF are you talking about?

I get where PP is coming from. It's not that hard for someone like Swift to do something like this for these kids. It's a sweet gesture that no doubt totally makes that kid's year. But it's useful to have some perspective here. She's not curing cancer. She's using her star power to do something nice for a sick kid (and it happens to be very good for her PR at the same time). Making too much of it kind of ignores the fact that a child with leukemia or a similar illness likely has a team of dedicated medical staff and family helping them every day, and the 22 hat thing is just a gesture. A sweet, kind gesture, yes. But it's not as hard or meaningful, ultimately, as actually caring for these kids day in and day out. I think Taylor would agree with that too.

No one, repeat no one, is equating giving away the 22 hat with providing medical care to a child with cancer.
I swear the rabid hate for her is much worse than the swiftie devotion.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s over. This bozo immediately reverted to the caveman trash ball that we all knew he’s always been.

Scantily clad women in Vegas?! You don't say.

Men in loving authentic relationships have ZERO interest in trashy Vegas nightclubs, binge drinking, and socializing with trashy women. He is in his mid 30s, not 21. This relationship is FAKE.

This has to be the funniest thing I’ve read on this site in quite a while, and there’s been quite a lot to choose from. Patrick Mahomes, a married man, was there too, as well as half the team. These are football players not choir boys.

The rare chance to see a gal he is totally in love with he immediately bolts to go binge drink in Vegas. 8 months in, this should be the hot and heavy honeymoon phase of a relationship and wanting to be around each other 24/7 with his season over. You bots are in denial.

I honestly can’t believe how stupid some of you are. Do you think the NFL hands out multi million dollar contracts to players so they can do whatever they want with their own time? Do you think the NFL exist because Americans really love football and they want to give you the joy of watching games every week?

Come on. Follow the money. The teams own these players while they are making these lucrative contracts and their time is not their own. Off-season especially after a Super Bowl win, they are going to have a ton of contractual obligations. They have to show up for appearances. They can’t just go wherever they want and do whatever they want.

Travis had a small window and he took advantage to go see his girlfriend. But yes, he was contractually obligated to come back to Vegas with the team and make this appearance.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the Taylor Swift haters would watch clips of the kids getting the 22 hats on the tour. How can you have such disdain for someone who is bringing that kind of joy to kids? They don’t give a crap about paparazzi or conspiracy theories or any of this nonsense.

Amazing to see, I agree.

I have vastly a different opinion on this.

Your kids’ and that kid’s doctors coaches and teachers give a whole lot more to your kid and that kid than Taylor Swift does.

She is like the tele-evangelist who goes up to a sick believe, touches them on the forehead says “Jesus saves” and you buy more into it literally and figuratively.

What - and I mean this literally- TAF are you talking about?

I get where PP is coming from. It's not that hard for someone like Swift to do something like this for these kids. It's a sweet gesture that no doubt totally makes that kid's year. But it's useful to have some perspective here. She's not curing cancer. She's using her star power to do something nice for a sick kid (and it happens to be very good for her PR at the same time). Making too much of it kind of ignores the fact that a child with leukemia or a similar illness likely has a team of dedicated medical staff and family helping them every day, and the 22 hat thing is just a gesture. A sweet, kind gesture, yes. But it's not as hard or meaningful, ultimately, as actually caring for these kids day in and day out. I think Taylor would agree with that too.

No one, repeat no one, is equating giving away the 22 hat with providing medical care to a child with cancer.
I swear the rabid hate for her is much worse than the swiftie devotion.

The original comment was that the PP didn't understand how someone who saw the '22' hat kids could criticize Swift. The PP's point is that while this gesture is nice, it's NBD for Swift. It requires almost nothing of her. Her team identifies the recipient, Taylor gives them the hat and sings to them. It's nice for the kid, it's good for Taylor's image and likely makes her feel good.

But it's not some proof of inherent goodness. It doesn't inoculate her against any criticism, speculation about her live life, distaste for certain off-stage behaviors, etc. It's objectively different than someone who works on a pediatric cancer ward, where you might say "hey, leave them alone-- they deserve broad leeway in life because of what they do."

Swift is a billionaire pop star. She does a nice thing for a kid at her shows. That is great. You can acknowledge it's great while also criticizing her for a dozen other things.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the Taylor Swift haters would watch clips of the kids getting the 22 hats on the tour. How can you have such disdain for someone who is bringing that kind of joy to kids? They don’t give a crap about paparazzi or conspiracy theories or any of this nonsense.

Amazing to see, I agree.

I have vastly a different opinion on this.

Your kids’ and that kid’s doctors coaches and teachers give a whole lot more to your kid and that kid than Taylor Swift does.

She is like the tele-evangelist who goes up to a sick believe, touches them on the forehead says “Jesus saves” and you buy more into it literally and figuratively.

What - and I mean this literally- TAF are you talking about?

She means that Taylor makes kids smile and then kids pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets and merchandise.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way she can go anywhere without being photographed. She doesn’t need to tip anyone off. The entirety of the Australian press has been following her every move, and his. I understand other celebrities do this, but that’s to get famous or increase fame or rehab their image, etc. She needs none of that.

She might not need it but she does it. I mean she did it a lot when she was still building up her career too. But she still does it, and more frequently than other celebs. That's why you so often see stories about who she went to dinner with, where, plus high quality paparazzi photos that feature her full outfit. These are photo ops her team arranged to project a certain image and keep her in the news cycle. She will even ramp it up to promote an album or tour. This is why many of us sense there is at least a large element of the Kelce relationship that is PR based. It was just too perfect-- an opportunity to be on national TV on a weekly basis between the end of her US tour and the start of her internation tour, leading very nearly up to the Grammy's and the very carefully timed announcement of the new album?

Also, yes she can avoid being photographed. She gets followed but it's not Princess Diana level hounding. She's also got a full security team, a fleet of vehicles, and enough money to get her into lots of rich person places where she could enjoy privacy, especially for a date. Restaurants that will shut down or have private dining rooms, resorts and hotels that cater to private celebrities, etc. How do you think people like Jeff Bezos, Tom and Gisele, the Clinton's, the BRF, Lady Gaga, etc. function in the world? They use money and connections to access experiences without anyone looking. And most of those people have less money than Taylor.

If we see Taylor doing something that seems intimate and personal, it's because she wants us to see it. She holds all the cards here.

In Kansas City, Taylor and friends were dining in a private room with its own bathroom. Taylor chose to walk across the restaurant and past where the regular people were sitting to visit a different bathroom.

She knows what she’s doing and she wants attention.

Then she can say she doesn’t know how this happens and pretend to be mystified as to why there is “interest.”

When she wants to be out of the press, she’s out of the press.

WHAT???? Taylor Swift used a different bathroom in a restaurant so that proves she wants PR? Not only the fact you know she did this is insane, but then your reasoning about why she used a certain bathroom....please, honey, get help.

+1 These people are deranged. She is peeing for publicity now?? Maybe someone was in the bathroom or she didn’t want to pee within earshot of the other guests.

+2
I am fairly agnostic on Taylor Swift's personal life, but honestly, the anti-TS crowd is FAR more rabid and insane than the hyper-Swifties. Good grief.
DP

Not everyone who thinks this relationship has a PR component is anti-TS. I’m a fan and think that there are certain things she has done in this and past relationships for publicity. But that her public image is part of her business.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the Taylor Swift haters would watch clips of the kids getting the 22 hats on the tour. How can you have such disdain for someone who is bringing that kind of joy to kids? They don’t give a crap about paparazzi or conspiracy theories or any of this nonsense.

Amazing to see, I agree.

I have vastly a different opinion on this.

Your kids’ and that kid’s doctors coaches and teachers give a whole lot more to your kid and that kid than Taylor Swift does.

She is like the tele-evangelist who goes up to a sick believe, touches them on the forehead says “Jesus saves” and you buy more into it literally and figuratively.

What - and I mean this literally- TAF are you talking about?

I get where PP is coming from. It's not that hard for someone like Swift to do something like this for these kids. It's a sweet gesture that no doubt totally makes that kid's year. But it's useful to have some perspective here. She's not curing cancer. She's using her star power to do something nice for a sick kid (and it happens to be very good for her PR at the same time). Making too much of it kind of ignores the fact that a child with leukemia or a similar illness likely has a team of dedicated medical staff and family helping them every day, and the 22 hat thing is just a gesture. A sweet, kind gesture, yes. But it's not as hard or meaningful, ultimately, as actually caring for these kids day in and day out. I think Taylor would agree with that too.

No one, repeat no one, is equating giving away the 22 hat with providing medical care to a child with cancer.
I swear the rabid hate for her is much worse than the swiftie devotion.

The original comment was that the PP didn't understand how someone who saw the '22' hat kids could criticize Swift. The PP's point is that while this gesture is nice, it's NBD for Swift. It requires almost nothing of her. Her team identifies the recipient, Taylor gives them the hat and sings to them. It's nice for the kid, it's good for Taylor's image and likely makes her feel good.

But it's not some proof of inherent goodness. It doesn't inoculate her against any criticism, speculation about her live life, distaste for certain off-stage behaviors, etc. It's objectively different than someone who works on a pediatric cancer ward, where you might say "hey, leave them alone-- they deserve broad leeway in life because of what they do."

Swift is a billionaire pop star. She does a nice thing for a kid at her shows. That is great. You can acknowledge it's great while also criticizing her for a dozen other things.

The point is that she does it at all. Are there other performers who do anything like that, making a kid's night/week/year by having a moment of one-on-one interaction every single night in a sea of 80,000+ people? (There might be, I don't know, would love to see that). And the kids tend to be ones who have not a lot of hope in their lives because they're sick, etc. It IS a big deal for her, or she wouldn't do it.

The point isn't for her not to be criticized at all. The point was that wow, you all just rain hatred down on her without seeing how much joy she brings to people, none of whom give a crap about all of your conspiracies, planes, who she's dating, fake relationships, etc. When you receive joy, it's yours. That was the point. I can't stand [insert singer here so I don't derail this thread] but there is no way in hell I don't see the utter joy she brings to people. How can I "hate" someone (who also uses a private jet on the regular but there's not one thread about that, interestingly) who brings so many people that much joy? And criticize her just for the sport of it, who isn't harming anyone? It's hard to fathom.

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Nine-year-old girl with terminal brain cancer getting the hat a few days from Taylor Swift at her concert - how someone can find anything wrong with this is beyond me

[Anonymous]

^^ And before PP mentions it, we KNOW her doctors care about her and spend more time with her than Taylor Swift does. We got it. Right there with you...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nine-year-old girl with terminal brain cancer getting the hat a few days from Taylor Swift at her concert - how someone can find anything wrong with this is beyond me

NO ONE has said there is anything wrong with this. It's very nice. I am glad Swift and her people make this happen. I am sure it means the world to these kids and their families. It's great when someone with a lot of power and resources uses some of it to bring joy to someone who is struggling. That's great.

The assertion was that a poster could not understand how anyone could possibly criticize Taylor for anything, or speculate about her love life in a negative way, or say anything negative about her after seeing a video like this. That's... unreasonable. It's great Taylor does this. But also she's a public person who is in the public eye in many, many ways. Of course you can still criticize her. This is one aspect of her life and no one has said it's bad. The point is that it is not the sum total of who Taylor Swift is. It's one component. You can criticize other stuff.

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I find this discussion of the '22' thing interesting because I think it's obvious Taylor does this for two reasons and that some posters are assuming she only does it for one (and different posters are choosing different of the two reasons depending on their view on Swift).

Taylor does this because (1) I think she's a genuinely caring person who knows she can bring joy to a young fan who is struggling in this way and I think she likes to be able to bring that joy, and (2) it's incredibly good PR that makes her look great and can also kind of protect her from criticism in other areas.

To me it is is obvious that both of these reasons exist. The moments seem really genuine, I think Taylor really likes doing it, it's obviously a nice thing to do. But also this is someone who is exceedingly aware of her public persona and who has a history of wanting to be viewed as positively as possible (and being pretty sensitive to criticism). So I think the second reason is also clearly a factor.

Some of you only believe in the first reason and think even mentioning the second is unforgivable cynicism. Some of you only believe in the second reason and think focusing on the first is buying into a marketing ploy.

I think you have to be conscious of both reasons at the same time, in order to avoid falling prey to either cynicism or blind fandom. It's both, it's always both.

And probably a lot of this can also be applied to her love life, actually. It's always both. She's a person who should be allowed a love life like anyone else, but also she often uses her love life as a PR ploy for attention and to shape her image. It's always both.

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Anonymous wrote:I find this discussion of the '22' thing interesting because I think it's obvious Taylor does this for two reasons and that some posters are assuming she only does it for one (and different posters are choosing different of the two reasons depending on their view on Swift).

Taylor does this because (1) I think she's a genuinely caring person who knows she can bring joy to a young fan who is struggling in this way and I think she likes to be able to bring that joy, and (2) it's incredibly good PR that makes her look great and can also kind of protect her from criticism in other areas.

To me it is is obvious that both of these reasons exist. The moments seem really genuine, I think Taylor really likes doing it, it's obviously a nice thing to do. But also this is someone who is exceedingly aware of her public persona and who has a history of wanting to be viewed as positively as possible (and being pretty sensitive to criticism). So I think the second reason is also clearly a factor.

Some of you only believe in the first reason and think even mentioning the second is unforgivable cynicism. Some of you only believe in the second reason and think focusing on the first is buying into a marketing ploy.

I think you have to be conscious of both reasons at the same time, in order to avoid falling prey to either cynicism or blind fandom. It's both, it's always both.

And probably a lot of this can also be applied to her love life, actually. It's always both. She's a person who should be allowed a love life like anyone else, but also she often uses her love life as a PR ploy for attention and to shape her image. It's always both.

So if you were Taylor Swift how would you behave?