Boundary Review Meetings

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Anonymous wrote:Telling people they cannot transfer and that they have to participate in a program that is not a good fit for most people is BS. Either place AP at every school or allow for transfers.

IB is harder to get college credits for and there are fewer credits to be had than AP. The math and science classes are not as rigorous as AP class options.

People shouldn’t choose to live at an IB base school and then try to transfer

Nvm misunderstood the premise - I agree people shouldn’t be forced to attend IB

They chose the IB school when they purchased their house.

The people in the next school who chose an AP school when they bought their house are the ones who should not be forced to attend an IB school.

When we purchased our house, I had two toddlers. High school was the last thing on my mind. I just wanted a nice neighborhood with a walkable elementary school. It worked out well for us, but some people purchase houses before they have kids. IB/AP is likely the last thing they are considering.

I'd be willing to bet that there are a lot of people who are not familiar with this split.

Families who are able are using pupil placement to switch. Some people are not able to do so.

IB may be a great program, but the statistics in FCPS do not indicate that at all.

Even so, you who purchased a home in an IB school zone should be the one whose kids should be made to attend the IB school as a first fix, not the kids of the people who purchased a home in an AP school.

Rezoning is not the answer to fixing these issues with IB schools, when 200-300 students transfer out of the IB school each year.

Eliminating transfers and residency checks should always be the very first steps long before rezoning, whether the school is undercrowded or overcrowded.

Just did a quick review: Total net transfers out of IB schools in FCPS: 1025
Only two IB schools had a net transfer in: South Lakes (due to one neighboring school) and Edison.

I did not go through to determine how many transfers out were due to TJ. But, the big picture would likely remain the same. People are either leaving IB schools because they want AP, or they are using it as an excuse to get out of the school.

I would bet that if FCPS would do a survey of parents who are "in boundary" from the IB schools, they would overwhelmingly get a preference for AP. It appears that Robinson parents feel that way and, from the parents I know, South Lakes would feel that way.

I would be interested to know how many of the kids who transfer in to South Lakes achieve the diploma.

Kids aren't transfering in to Edison for IB, but for the auto academy and the STEM program.

Lewis should have the auto academy and other votech programs.

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Wasn't moving kids to Lewis the entire catalyst of this 2 year boundary process?

Such waste and incompetence.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't moving kids to Lewis the entire catalyst of this 2 year boundary process?

Such waste and incompetence.

It was one of them. Not the only thing.

No one wants to go to Lewis because it is "bad" - but it is bad because no one goes to Lewis. The BM move will happen because it is the logical choice to feed into Lewis. They are not close to any high school and their logic that they are inside the beltway is not strong. There are other communities that are more tied inside the beltway and still attend high schools outside the beltway.

As for placating Ricardy Anderson - that was a given. Parklawn and Glasgow were supposed to be fixed several years ago and the Board told them to hold off for this ridiculousness. The comprehensive boundary review happened and they did not even bother to address the issues at either school and they decided to add more kids to those schools. Which shows that zero true consideration was given.

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Anonymous wrote:Did Reid just say that they were going to table the move from BrenMar to Key/Lewis? Already backpedaling?

What a clustefck.

Wow they came up with all these moves and just decided to do nothing. LOL. Meanwhile Edison actually does need some kids to be moved out.

Not exactly.

She said they were tabling the proposal to move Bren Mar Park from Holmes/Edison to Key/Lewis for five years.

There are a bunch of other changes they still apparently have in mind. Some move kids from Parklawn ES in the Justice pyramid to Columbia ES in the Annandale pyramid and to Belvedere ES in the Justice HS pyramid.

Other changes would move kids at Beech Tree ES from Glasgow MS/Justice HS to Poe MS/Falls Church HS and at Belvedere ES from Glasgow MS to Holmes MS (but keep them at Justice HS).

I don't understand why Reid said the BMP proposal is being withdrawn because it's too rushed, but wants to move forward with other changes that weren't in Scenario 4 and will take families by surprise.

Ironically, it's the proposal that's being withdrawn that would address the bigger issue - the under-enrollment at Lewis HS - whereas the other proposals that they apparently intend to move forward don't involve Lewis at all.

The changes to Parklawn and Glasgow are to appease Ricardy Anderson.

I understand but it's odd for Reid to come and say they've recognized the BMP proposal is too rushed, but then drop changes on other families in the Justice pyramid that weren't in any of the prior proposals at this late stage.

The Beech Tree families now proposed to move to Poe/Falls Church from Glasgow/Justice had no idea that was in the cards. Ironically, there's a different group of Beech Tree families who do want to move from Beech Tree/Glasgow/Justice to Graham Road/Jackson/Falls Church, but they've been ignored.

Similarly, the Belvedere families that are now proposed to move from Glasgow to Holmes, but stay at Justice, didn't know this was coming. They might want to stay at Glasgow, or conversely move to Annandale if they are being moved to Holmes. The BRAC is meeting in a couple of days, so they don't have much time to weigh in.

Additionally, the Beech Tree changes create split feeders that were not previously there. Aren't we trying to eliminate those?

Yes, that supposedly is a priority in Policy 8130 but they are creating new split feeders at other schools like Shrevewood in this process.

At least with the Beech Tree proposal those kids would go to Falls Church with a decent cohort from Poe, even if most of Poe goes to Annandale. With the Belvedere proposal the percentage of redistricted kids going from Holmes to Justice would be minuscule.

I’ve no doubt this was a last-minute effort to satisfy Ricardy Anderson’s repeated requests to bring down the enrollment at Glasgow. Glasgow has a big building, so it’s not as overcrowded in percentage terms as some other schools, but most agree it’s too many MS kids in one place. But the proposal - turning Holmes into a three-way split feeder to Annandale, Edison, and Justice where only 5% of the kids go to Justice - is a terrible idea. At a minimum they need to consider moving those kids to Annandale as well.

This process has been so poorly managed it’s almost unbelievable.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't moving kids to Lewis the entire catalyst of this 2 year boundary process?

Such waste and incompetence.

It was one of them. Not the only thing.

No one wants to go to Lewis because it is "bad" - but it is bad because no one goes to Lewis. The BM move will happen because it is the logical choice to feed into Lewis. They are not close to any high school and their logic that they are inside the beltway is not strong. There are other communities that are more tied inside the beltway and still attend high schools outside the beltway.

As for placating Ricardy Anderson - that was a given. Parklawn and Glasgow were supposed to be fixed several years ago and the Board told them to hold off for this ridiculousness. The comprehensive boundary review happened and they did not even bother to address the issues at either school and they decided to add more kids to those schools. Which shows that zero true consideration was given.

The Bren Mar Park proposal has been tabled for at least five years so that’s five more years for Lewis to twist in the wind.

1500 kids wouldn’t be atypical in Loudoun, but it’s a good bit smaller than any other HS in FCPS.

Some of the proposals to “placate” Ricardy Anderson (she is one of the few members to really pay attention) make sense. Moving Parklawn kids to Columbia and Belvedere seems fine. It’s the new proposals to change MS or HS assignments for kids at Glasgow that shouldn’t be dropped on those neighborhoods at the last minute without further community engagement.

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Anonymous wrote:Did Reid just say that they were going to table the move from BrenMar to Key/Lewis? Already backpedaling?

What a clustefck.

Wow they came up with all these moves and just decided to do nothing. LOL. Meanwhile Edison actually does need some kids to be moved out.

Not exactly.

She said they were tabling the proposal to move Bren Mar Park from Holmes/Edison to Key/Lewis for five years.

There are a bunch of other changes they still apparently have in mind. Some move kids from Parklawn ES in the Justice pyramid to Columbia ES in the Annandale pyramid and to Belvedere ES in the Justice HS pyramid.

Other changes would move kids at Beech Tree ES from Glasgow MS/Justice HS to Poe MS/Falls Church HS and at Belvedere ES from Glasgow MS to Holmes MS (but keep them at Justice HS).

I don't understand why Reid said the BMP proposal is being withdrawn because it's too rushed, but wants to move forward with other changes that weren't in Scenario 4 and will take families by surprise.

Ironically, it's the proposal that's being withdrawn that would address the bigger issue - the under-enrollment at Lewis HS - whereas the other proposals that they apparently intend to move forward don't involve Lewis at all.

The changes to Parklawn and Glasgow are to appease Ricardy Anderson.

I understand but it's odd for Reid to come and say they've recognized the BMP proposal is too rushed, but then drop changes on other families in the Justice pyramid that weren't in any of the prior proposals at this late stage.

The Beech Tree families now proposed to move to Poe/Falls Church from Glasgow/Justice had no idea that was in the cards. Ironically, there's a different group of Beech Tree families who do want to move from Beech Tree/Glasgow/Justice to Graham Road/Jackson/Falls Church, but they've been ignored.

Similarly, the Belvedere families that are now proposed to move from Glasgow to Holmes, but stay at Justice, didn't know this was coming. They might want to stay at Glasgow, or conversely move to Annandale if they are being moved to Holmes. The BRAC is meeting in a couple of days, so they don't have much time to weigh in.

Additionally, the Beech Tree changes create split feeders that were not previously there. Aren't we trying to eliminate those?

Yes, that supposedly is a priority in Policy 8130 but they are creating new split feeders at other schools like Shrevewood in this process.

At least with the Beech Tree proposal those kids would go to Falls Church with a decent cohort from Poe, even if most of Poe goes to Annandale. With the Belvedere proposal the percentage of redistricted kids going from Holmes to Justice would be minuscule.

I’ve no doubt this was a last-minute effort to satisfy Ricardy Anderson’s repeated requests to bring down the enrollment at Glasgow. Glasgow has a big building, so it’s not as overcrowded in percentage terms as some other schools, but most agree it’s too many MS kids in one place. But the proposal - turning Holmes into a three-way split feeder to Annandale, Edison, and Justice where only 5% of the kids go to Justice - is a terrible idea. At a minimum they need to consider moving those kids to Annandale as well.

This process has been so poorly managed it’s almost unbelievable.

In Anderson's defense she is correct. This shouldn't have been shoved in at the end, it should have been a well considered situation from the beginning.

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Anonymous wrote:Did Reid just say that they were going to table the move from BrenMar to Key/Lewis? Already backpedaling?

What a clustefck.

Wow they came up with all these moves and just decided to do nothing. LOL. Meanwhile Edison actually does need some kids to be moved out.

Not exactly.

She said they were tabling the proposal to move Bren Mar Park from Holmes/Edison to Key/Lewis for five years.

There are a bunch of other changes they still apparently have in mind. Some move kids from Parklawn ES in the Justice pyramid to Columbia ES in the Annandale pyramid and to Belvedere ES in the Justice HS pyramid.

Other changes would move kids at Beech Tree ES from Glasgow MS/Justice HS to Poe MS/Falls Church HS and at Belvedere ES from Glasgow MS to Holmes MS (but keep them at Justice HS).

I don't understand why Reid said the BMP proposal is being withdrawn because it's too rushed, but wants to move forward with other changes that weren't in Scenario 4 and will take families by surprise.

Ironically, it's the proposal that's being withdrawn that would address the bigger issue - the under-enrollment at Lewis HS - whereas the other proposals that they apparently intend to move forward don't involve Lewis at all.

The changes to Parklawn and Glasgow are to appease Ricardy Anderson.

I understand but it's odd for Reid to come and say they've recognized the BMP proposal is too rushed, but then drop changes on other families in the Justice pyramid that weren't in any of the prior proposals at this late stage.

The Beech Tree families now proposed to move to Poe/Falls Church from Glasgow/Justice had no idea that was in the cards. Ironically, there's a different group of Beech Tree families who do want to move from Beech Tree/Glasgow/Justice to Graham Road/Jackson/Falls Church, but they've been ignored.

Similarly, the Belvedere families that are now proposed to move from Glasgow to Holmes, but stay at Justice, didn't know this was coming. They might want to stay at Glasgow, or conversely move to Annandale if they are being moved to Holmes. The BRAC is meeting in a couple of days, so they don't have much time to weigh in.

Additionally, the Beech Tree changes create split feeders that were not previously there. Aren't we trying to eliminate those?

Yes, that supposedly is a priority in Policy 8130 but they are creating new split feeders at other schools like Shrevewood in this process.

At least with the Beech Tree proposal those kids would go to Falls Church with a decent cohort from Poe, even if most of Poe goes to Annandale. With the Belvedere proposal the percentage of redistricted kids going from Holmes to Justice would be minuscule.

I’ve no doubt this was a last-minute effort to satisfy Ricardy Anderson’s repeated requests to bring down the enrollment at Glasgow. Glasgow has a big building, so it’s not as overcrowded in percentage terms as some other schools, but most agree it’s too many MS kids in one place. But the proposal - turning Holmes into a three-way split feeder to Annandale, Edison, and Justice where only 5% of the kids go to Justice - is a terrible idea. At a minimum they need to consider moving those kids to Annandale as well.

This process has been so poorly managed it’s almost unbelievable.

In Anderson's defense she is correct. This shouldn't have been shoved in at the end, it should have been a well considered situation from the beginning.

I agree and have nothing but praise for Ricardy Anderson, whose repeated requests deserved attention earlier. But some of these last-minute proposals create new problems. And staff never would have proposed them at this late stage if they impacted Langley or West Springfield rather than Justice families. It’s absurd.