Lively/Baldoni Lawsuit Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I think it's suss that the headlines are saying Ryan pushed for the settlement, when it seemed like her was the one who pushed for the lawsuit/botched the film. It's like they're trying to rehab his image at the expense of Blake's

Molly McPherson (PR crisis communications guru) did a podcast on this a loong time ago when the website went up and laid out her own analysis of the situation and what she thought might happen in regards to how this would likely play out to the public and she has been pretty spot on to date. Ryan trying to save face and potentially throwing her under the bus was on her bingo card.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

Bravo

[Anonymous]

This whole scenario just reminds me of the saying “wherever you go, there you are.” I think Ryan and Blake convinced themselves once the lawsuit was over, it would be as if it never happened. But really she remains tremendously unpopular, likely significantly more so than before the lawsuit. The Met Gala appearance was a disaster, just way too soon. And the pr tools they are trying to use via the legacy media just don’t work anymore

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

No one blew anyone's head off. It was a movie. Fiction. Satire. It's fine you don't get it but the fact that Justin, who fancies himself a director, actor, and artist doesn't get it is ridiculous. You cannot be that thin skinned in this business.

Nora Ephron wrote a novel and then a screenplay (Heartburn) transparently based on her marriage to Carl Bernstein. It did not portray Bernstein in a flattering light. EVERYONE knew who it was about. Life went on. Bernstein went on. Ultimately no one really cares.

Most people had no idea that Nicepool was based on Justin, because most people didn't know who Justin is. Even if the knew him as the guy from Jane the Virgin or IEWU, they didn't know about his podcast or that he wears a manbun or that he uses his self proclaimed feminism as a defense for sometimes being a real jerk to women. The character functioned as a private joke. Only Justin insisted on announcing to the world "hey, that ridiculous, hypocritical, unselfaware idiot character is me!!" An absurd self own.

He made it a big deal where there wasn't one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

No one blew anyone's head off. It was a movie. Fiction. Satire. It's fine you don't get it but the fact that Justin, who fancies himself a director, actor, and artist doesn't get it is ridiculous. You cannot be that thin skinned in this business.

Nora Ephron wrote a novel and then a screenplay (Heartburn) transparently based on her marriage to Carl Bernstein. It did not portray Bernstein in a flattering light. EVERYONE knew who it was about. Life went on. Bernstein went on. Ultimately no one really cares.

Most people had no idea that Nicepool was based on Justin, because most people didn't know who Justin is. Even if the knew him as the guy from Jane the Virgin or IEWU, they didn't know about his podcast or that he wears a manbun or that he uses his self proclaimed feminism as a defense for sometimes being a real jerk to women. The character functioned as a private joke. Only Justin insisted on announcing to the world "hey, that ridiculous, hypocritical, unselfaware idiot character is me!!" An absurd self own.

He made it a big deal where there wasn't one.

This is a ridiculous take given the things Blake is upset about. Talk about digital violence.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

No one blew anyone's head off. It was a movie. Fiction. Satire. It's fine you don't get it but the fact that Justin, who fancies himself a director, actor, and artist doesn't get it is ridiculous. You cannot be that thin skinned in this business.

Nora Ephron wrote a novel and then a screenplay (Heartburn) transparently based on her marriage to Carl Bernstein. It did not portray Bernstein in a flattering light. EVERYONE knew who it was about. Life went on. Bernstein went on. Ultimately no one really cares.

Most people had no idea that Nicepool was based on Justin, because most people didn't know who Justin is. Even if the knew him as the guy from Jane the Virgin or IEWU, they didn't know about his podcast or that he wears a manbun or that he uses his self proclaimed feminism as a defense for sometimes being a real jerk to women. The character functioned as a private joke. Only Justin insisted on announcing to the world "hey, that ridiculous, hypocritical, unselfaware idiot character is me!!" An absurd self own.

He made it a big deal where there wasn't one.

Agree. And Nicepool was actually funny.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

No one blew anyone's head off. It was a movie. Fiction. Satire. It's fine you don't get it but the fact that Justin, who fancies himself a director, actor, and artist doesn't get it is ridiculous. You cannot be that thin skinned in this business.

Nora Ephron wrote a novel and then a screenplay (Heartburn) transparently based on her marriage to Carl Bernstein. It did not portray Bernstein in a flattering light. EVERYONE knew who it was about. Life went on. Bernstein went on. Ultimately no one really cares.

Most people had no idea that Nicepool was based on Justin, because most people didn't know who Justin is. Even if the knew him as the guy from Jane the Virgin or IEWU, they didn't know about his podcast or that he wears a manbun or that he uses his self proclaimed feminism as a defense for sometimes being a real jerk to women. The character functioned as a private joke. Only Justin insisted on announcing to the world "hey, that ridiculous, hypocritical, unselfaware idiot character is me!!" An absurd self own.

He made it a big deal where there wasn't one.

This is a ridiculous take given the things Blake is upset about. Talk about digital violence.

I think making fun of someone in a movie is functionally different from trying to pressure an actress into a higher degree of nudity than she's agreed to previously, to take one of Blake's allegations. One involves hurt feelings, the other involves putting someone in a physically vulnerable position without full consent.

And yes, I'm aware that Baldoni supporters simply don't believe the level of undress Blake was in during the birthing scene was a problem or that there was anything wrong with that situation. I just fundamentally disagree. I think if Baldoni had wanted to film that scene with any level of skin exposure (including what they ultimately agreed to) he should have told Blake in advance and made sure she was comfortable with it, and I find it offensive that he tried to push Blake to do more nudity in that scene by telling her that it is not "normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth. This was I think the most upsetting SH allegation in Blake's complaint and I think it's much worse than Ryan making a joke at Justin's expense in a movie. Especially since no one even realized the joke was about Justin until Justin himself pointed it out.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

No one blew anyone's head off. It was a movie. Fiction. Satire. It's fine you don't get it but the fact that Justin, who fancies himself a director, actor, and artist doesn't get it is ridiculous. You cannot be that thin skinned in this business.

Nora Ephron wrote a novel and then a screenplay (Heartburn) transparently based on her marriage to Carl Bernstein. It did not portray Bernstein in a flattering light. EVERYONE knew who it was about. Life went on. Bernstein went on. Ultimately no one really cares.

Most people had no idea that Nicepool was based on Justin, because most people didn't know who Justin is. Even if the knew him as the guy from Jane the Virgin or IEWU, they didn't know about his podcast or that he wears a manbun or that he uses his self proclaimed feminism as a defense for sometimes being a real jerk to women. The character functioned as a private joke. Only Justin insisted on announcing to the world "hey, that ridiculous, hypocritical, unselfaware idiot character is me!!" An absurd self own.

He made it a big deal where there wasn't one.

This is a ridiculous take given the things Blake is upset about. Talk about digital violence.

I think making fun of someone in a movie is functionally different from trying to pressure an actress into a higher degree of nudity than she's agreed to previously, to take one of Blake's allegations. One involves hurt feelings, the other involves putting someone in a physically vulnerable position without full consent.

And yes, I'm aware that Baldoni supporters simply don't believe the level of undress Blake was in during the birthing scene was a problem or that there was anything wrong with that situation. I just fundamentally disagree. I think if Baldoni had wanted to film that scene with any level of skin exposure (including what they ultimately agreed to) he should have told Blake in advance and made sure she was comfortable with it, and I find it offensive that he tried to push Blake to do more nudity in that scene by telling her that it is not "normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth. This was I think the most upsetting SH allegation in Blake's complaint and I think it's much worse than Ryan making a joke at Justin's expense in a movie. Especially since no one even realized the joke was about Justin until Justin himself pointed it out.

Oh yeah, Blake has so little power on that set—that’s why she constantly went over Justin’s head and has six pages of all the things she controlled during production.

For someone who pretends to be knowledgeable, you are certainly a sucker for a fabrication.

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Ryan is obsessed with Justin Baldoni. Probably repressed sexuality, the fact that he’s aging poorly, could be a lot of things. But he clearly has an obsession with him.

I’m sure it was gutting when he was released from the lawsuit when 10 of 13 claims were dropped, but now it’s over and he needs to move on. There will be no more Deadpool so he won’t get a chance to work out any lingering anger there. Hopefully he will find a healthier outlet.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

No one blew anyone's head off. It was a movie. Fiction. Satire. It's fine you don't get it but the fact that Justin, who fancies himself a director, actor, and artist doesn't get it is ridiculous. You cannot be that thin skinned in this business.

Nora Ephron wrote a novel and then a screenplay (Heartburn) transparently based on her marriage to Carl Bernstein. It did not portray Bernstein in a flattering light. EVERYONE knew who it was about. Life went on. Bernstein went on. Ultimately no one really cares.

Most people had no idea that Nicepool was based on Justin, because most people didn't know who Justin is. Even if the knew him as the guy from Jane the Virgin or IEWU, they didn't know about his podcast or that he wears a manbun or that he uses his self proclaimed feminism as a defense for sometimes being a real jerk to women. The character functioned as a private joke. Only Justin insisted on announcing to the world "hey, that ridiculous, hypocritical, unselfaware idiot character is me!!" An absurd self own.

He made it a big deal where there wasn't one.

This is a ridiculous take given the things Blake is upset about. Talk about digital violence.

I think making fun of someone in a movie is functionally different from trying to pressure an actress into a higher degree of nudity than she's agreed to previously, to take one of Blake's allegations. One involves hurt feelings, the other involves putting someone in a physically vulnerable position without full consent.

And yes, I'm aware that Baldoni supporters simply don't believe the level of undress Blake was in during the birthing scene was a problem or that there was anything wrong with that situation. I just fundamentally disagree. I think if Baldoni had wanted to film that scene with any level of skin exposure (including what they ultimately agreed to) he should have told Blake in advance and made sure she was comfortable with it, and I find it offensive that he tried to push Blake to do more nudity in that scene by telling her that it is not "normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth. This was I think the most upsetting SH allegation in Blake's complaint and I think it's much worse than Ryan making a joke at Justin's expense in a movie. Especially since no one even realized the joke was about Justin until Justin himself pointed it out.

Oh yeah, Blake has so little power on that set—that’s why she constantly went over Justin’s head and has six pages of all the things she controlled during production.

For someone who pretends to be knowledgeable, you are certainly a sucker for a fabrication.

Did she go over his head or did she come to him directly with issues multiple times and then when they were ignored, fought tooth and nail to get better workplace safety systems in place that made everyone involved in the production feel better?

She definitely didn't go over his head to, for instance, get a Taylor Swift song for the movie -- he was begging for it. He also consistently solicited her input or even told her that he liked or wanted to use her ideas, and then would tell other producers that there was nothing he could do to control her. Uh, he could have directly said no? He never tried it, and she was under the impression that her input was desired.

Lively definitely had more power on the set than an average actress, but she also used her power to benefit the film. And none of that changes the fact that telling an actress that she should do unscripted nudity in a nude scene because "it's not natural" for a woman to wear a hospital gown while giving birth is scummy, gross behavior. It's not SH in this instance because she was deemed an independent contractor, but that doesn't make it good or okay. A woman can be in a position of power and also be demeaned in a way that sure feels like harassment, and that's what that sounds like to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

No one blew anyone's head off. It was a movie. Fiction. Satire. It's fine you don't get it but the fact that Justin, who fancies himself a director, actor, and artist doesn't get it is ridiculous. You cannot be that thin skinned in this business.

Nora Ephron wrote a novel and then a screenplay (Heartburn) transparently based on her marriage to Carl Bernstein. It did not portray Bernstein in a flattering light. EVERYONE knew who it was about. Life went on. Bernstein went on. Ultimately no one really cares.

Most people had no idea that Nicepool was based on Justin, because most people didn't know who Justin is. Even if the knew him as the guy from Jane the Virgin or IEWU, they didn't know about his podcast or that he wears a manbun or that he uses his self proclaimed feminism as a defense for sometimes being a real jerk to women. The character functioned as a private joke. Only Justin insisted on announcing to the world "hey, that ridiculous, hypocritical, unselfaware idiot character is me!!" An absurd self own.

He made it a big deal where there wasn't one.

This is a ridiculous take given the things Blake is upset about. Talk about digital violence.

I think making fun of someone in a movie is functionally different from trying to pressure an actress into a higher degree of nudity than she's agreed to previously, to take one of Blake's allegations. One involves hurt feelings, the other involves putting someone in a physically vulnerable position without full consent.

And yes, I'm aware that Baldoni supporters simply don't believe the level of undress Blake was in during the birthing scene was a problem or that there was anything wrong with that situation. I just fundamentally disagree. I think if Baldoni had wanted to film that scene with any level of skin exposure (including what they ultimately agreed to) he should have told Blake in advance and made sure she was comfortable with it, and I find it offensive that he tried to push Blake to do more nudity in that scene by telling her that it is not "normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth. This was I think the most upsetting SH allegation in Blake's complaint and I think it's much worse than Ryan making a joke at Justin's expense in a movie. Especially since no one even realized the joke was about Justin until Justin himself pointed it out.

Oh yeah, Blake has so little power on that set—that’s why she constantly went over Justin’s head and has six pages of all the things she controlled during production.

For someone who pretends to be knowledgeable, you are certainly a sucker for a fabrication.

Did she go over his head or did she come to him directly with issues multiple times and then when they were ignored, fought tooth and nail to get better workplace safety systems in place that made everyone involved in the production feel better?

She definitely didn't go over his head to, for instance, get a Taylor Swift song for the movie -- he was begging for it. He also consistently solicited her input or even told her that he liked or wanted to use her ideas, and then would tell other producers that there was nothing he could do to control her. Uh, he could have directly said no? He never tried it, and she was under the impression that her input was desired.

Lively definitely had more power on the set than an average actress, but she also used her power to benefit the film. And none of that changes the fact that telling an actress that she should do unscripted nudity in a nude scene because "it's not natural" for a woman to wear a hospital gown while giving birth is scummy, gross behavior. It's not SH in this instance because she was deemed an independent contractor, but that doesn't make it good or okay. A woman can be in a position of power and also be demeaned in a way that sure feels like harassment, and that's what that sounds like to me.

She used her power to benefit the film? That may be the most ridiculous and disproven statement in this entire thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

No one blew anyone's head off. It was a movie. Fiction. Satire. It's fine you don't get it but the fact that Justin, who fancies himself a director, actor, and artist doesn't get it is ridiculous. You cannot be that thin skinned in this business.

Nora Ephron wrote a novel and then a screenplay (Heartburn) transparently based on her marriage to Carl Bernstein. It did not portray Bernstein in a flattering light. EVERYONE knew who it was about. Life went on. Bernstein went on. Ultimately no one really cares.

Most people had no idea that Nicepool was based on Justin, because most people didn't know who Justin is. Even if the knew him as the guy from Jane the Virgin or IEWU, they didn't know about his podcast or that he wears a manbun or that he uses his self proclaimed feminism as a defense for sometimes being a real jerk to women. The character functioned as a private joke. Only Justin insisted on announcing to the world "hey, that ridiculous, hypocritical, unselfaware idiot character is me!!" An absurd self own.

He made it a big deal where there wasn't one.

This is a ridiculous take given the things Blake is upset about. Talk about digital violence.

I think making fun of someone in a movie is functionally different from trying to pressure an actress into a higher degree of nudity than she's agreed to previously, to take one of Blake's allegations. One involves hurt feelings, the other involves putting someone in a physically vulnerable position without full consent.

And yes, I'm aware that Baldoni supporters simply don't believe the level of undress Blake was in during the birthing scene was a problem or that there was anything wrong with that situation. I just fundamentally disagree. I think if Baldoni had wanted to film that scene with any level of skin exposure (including what they ultimately agreed to) he should have told Blake in advance and made sure she was comfortable with it, and I find it offensive that he tried to push Blake to do more nudity in that scene by telling her that it is not "normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth. This was I think the most upsetting SH allegation in Blake's complaint and I think it's much worse than Ryan making a joke at Justin's expense in a movie. Especially since no one even realized the joke was about Justin until Justin himself pointed it out.

Oh yeah, Blake has so little power on that set—that’s why she constantly went over Justin’s head and has six pages of all the things she controlled during production.

For someone who pretends to be knowledgeable, you are certainly a sucker for a fabrication.

Did she go over his head or did she come to him directly with issues multiple times and then when they were ignored, fought tooth and nail to get better workplace safety systems in place that made everyone involved in the production feel better?

She definitely didn't go over his head to, for instance, get a Taylor Swift song for the movie -- he was begging for it. He also consistently solicited her input or even told her that he liked or wanted to use her ideas, and then would tell other producers that there was nothing he could do to control her. Uh, he could have directly said no? He never tried it, and she was under the impression that her input was desired.

Lively definitely had more power on the set than an average actress, but she also used her power to benefit the film. And none of that changes the fact that telling an actress that she should do unscripted nudity in a nude scene because "it's not natural" for a woman to wear a hospital gown while giving birth is scummy, gross behavior. It's not SH in this instance because she was deemed an independent contractor, but that doesn't make it good or okay. A woman can be in a position of power and also be demeaned in a way that sure feels like harassment, and that's what that sounds like to me.

She used her power to benefit the film? That may be the most ridiculous and disproven statement in this entire thread.

Blake cares about Blake and getting credit for work she didn’t do. One of the most amazing things in all this is how much time and energy she spent scheming versus actually putting any work into anything. We now know she didn’t write a bit of the movie, even though she takes credit for it. She was in the editing bay for one day apparently, her idea of editing is hiring the Deadpool editor and then taking credit for “her cut.”

There’s definitely something to be said for delegating, but she tries to take credit for all of these things. And she acts like being too lazy to travel to Boston so getting the shoot redirected to New York, where she lives, is some sort of strategy or strategic decision-making about the film lol. No she just wanted to not have to travel for work which I get, but it’s not some strategic decision to better the film.

It’s the same with her hair products. She claims she worked for years to try to get the exact formulation and we find out from the documents released that the company came to her just a couple of months before she signed a licensing deal. The sad thing is I think she actually believes this stuff like she probably truly thinks at this point that she spent seven years developing a hair brand. She is just the height of delusional. It would be admirable if it wasn’t so scary.

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Anonymous wrote:Genuine question for the Lively supporters: do you think Ryan Reynolds is problematic? Thoughts on the rooftop scene written by his female gaze? The texts/emails he sent when it was his wife's project? Are you familiar with the parking garage incident in Canada with the paparazzo? I'm not asking to be antagonistic. I know misogyny has been thrown around a lot. I do think Blake is a narcissist, tone deaf and rude but I think Ryan is responsible for most of this debacle and is letting her take all the heat publicly.

I don't like or support Reynolds in any way. He seems skeezy. I don't search for information about him, but some of the examples people brought up (one was about making his daughter practice a curse word) I find gross.

That has nothing to do with me believing Baldoni's behavior was a problem and Lively deserved her day in court. If someone wanted to sue Reynolds I'd feel the same.

+1, this is about how I feel. I have never particularly liked him. But I don't view Blake as responsible for Ryan's behavior, anymore than I am personally responsible for some of the dumb crap my own husband does. I also dislike when people at like Blake was just Ryan's puppet through all this -- I do think he interfered way too much but it's really obvious from he evidentiary record that Blake was acting of her own accord here. Just look at her texts with Jenny Slate, Colleen Hoover, Taylor, etc. She was unhappy with stuff Baldoni was doing, she was complaining to Wayfarer and Sony on her own (not with Ryan), she was attending those meetings on her own. Ryan's biggest meddling was:

(1) yelling at Baldoni after he asked the trainer about Ryan's weight. I think this was absolutely the wrong way to handle this situation and I suspect Ryan got big mad and overprotective and stuck himself into that situation. This actually makes me feel bad for Blake because I think she absolutely had a reason to be bothered by this -- I know this situation was deemed to not be SH because it happened before shooting started, but I think the way Baldoni handled it was really stupid and he needed to be called out. Just not by Ryan and not in the way he did it.

(2) using his leverage to get shooting moved around for Blake. This was just tacky and ridiculous, it makes him look very bad. It also raises questions for me about how that comes about. Did Blake ask him to do it or did she say "we can't do XYZ vacation because of when my shoot starts on this movie and they don't want to move it?" and Ryan took matters into his own hands? We'll never know, but based on what we know about their dynamic I suspect the latter, which makes me feel bad for Blake.

(3) The "No More" meeting. This one sucks because as someone who has been harassed at work, I totally understand why Blake wanted Ryan there. It is miserable trying to tell your employer that a bunch of behavior that they clearly think is totally fine is actually really crossing lines. I was in that exact situation, in a "touchy feely" workplace where people had just lost touch with the reality of what was professional or appropriate. So I get why Blake wanted Ryan there. But he also obviously made the situation way worse, doesn't know how to handle conflict in any way but yelling and berating people, etc. However, I also put the blame for this on both Wayfarer and Sony. Wayfarer had been sent Lively's list of complaints ahead of this meeting and had explicitly asked for a meeting to address workplace safety before they returned to set. Wayfarer did nothing to set up a meeting, nor did Sony. They made no effort to, for instance, bring in a mediator or other 3rd party who could have turned down the heat on that meeting and helped the parties reach a resolution. Had they done that (or even attempted to do that), I'd be more bothered by Ryan's behavior. I view the mess of that meeting as largely being the fault of Wayfarer for failing to take Lively's earlier complaints seriously and for failing to be proactive in making sure they were all on the same page before filming started again. And then Ryan still has culpability for his own behavior, but again, I don't put that on Blake. Wayfarer could have set that whole thing up differently so it didn't unfold that way but they were disorganized and ignorant of their HR obligations, and also clearly not taking Blake's (or Jenny's) complaints seriously. That's the deeper problem.

I don't personally view Ryan criticizing Baldoni to WME or putting Nicepool in his movie as overreach. I think Ryan justifiably didn't like Baldoni because of how his wife was treated, and that Nicepool is valid satire. If Baldoni didn't want Ryan to hate him, maybe he should have done a better job directing his wife in a movie. And if he didn't want to be made fun of with a man-bunned fake feminist "Nice Guy" in Ryan's movie, then, uh, don't be that person in real life. It hurt because it was true.

On the one hand, what you laid out sounds reasonable. On the other hand, if I take a 30,000 foot view of this: can we just remember these are all adults here? The fact that we were even discussing a character called Nicepool is so stupid. There’s nothing funny about somebody getting shot in front of a flower shop. Especially at a time we have a major gun violence problem in this country. This is an almost 50-year-old man who no doubt spent millions of dollars, and months of writing and creating costumes and filming, to create that character just to take a dig at the director of a movie that his wife spent 16 days on set with. What a colossal waste of time.

These people really lose sight of their real world and their place in it. The world is not better off because of Deadpool or anything that Ryan Reynolds is doing. The absolute narcissism and self-importance is nauseating. These people, Justin included, were all making a bad movie based on a really crappy book. They just all take themselves so seriously. this is not how adults act in the real world.

For all of their sakes, but especially Ryan and Blake because they very much were the ones who bought this lawsuit and were responsible for having a drag out for 18 months, I hope that they can just put this behind them and move on.

PP here and I strongly disagree regarding the character of Nicepool. I know people think that was petty but I actually think it was healthy and fine.

I'm a writer and I was (in a previous life, it seems) an improv comedian. In both settings, I've based characters loosely on real people. Especially in improv, which I did in my 20s, I often got out my frustration and anger at people by making fun of them via my comedy. I had a really horrid boss at one point and she inspired multiple improv characters who were among my biggest laughs. It was so cathartic, for me and for audiences, because people are THE WORST. It just feels good to laugh at them. And since I knew a lot of improvers back then, I also guarantee that some of them hated me, based characters on me, and I am fine with that. This is like one of the central purposes of comedy and it is not immature or petty or inappropriate. It's good.

Also if you are going to work in entertainment, you need to learn not to be so sensitive about stuff like this, because everyone does it. People write songs, books, movies, poems, and plays about people they know. Do you know how many of your favorite works of art were inspired by someone's divorce or break up or bad work experience or friendship gone bad with a very real person who, if they read or watched or listened, probably felt a little bad about it? So, so many.

If Ryan had stayed the heck out of the production of IEWU but he and Blake had still created that Nicepool character for his movie (which, by the way, I never saw because I don't like Ryan and have never liked the Deadpool franchise), I'd actually respect it. That's how you do it. Be professional and appropriate even to the people you cannot stand, and then write an absolute dagger of a satirical character about them in your next movie. That's art! Deal with it.

Seems really selfish to work out your issues so publicly with another person. Everyone knew who he was talking about it wasn’t a secret.

I’m sorry, but if you need to work out your frustrations by blowing someone’s head off, you should seek help. None of this is normal or healthy.

No one blew anyone's head off. It was a movie. Fiction. Satire. It's fine you don't get it but the fact that Justin, who fancies himself a director, actor, and artist doesn't get it is ridiculous. You cannot be that thin skinned in this business.

Nora Ephron wrote a novel and then a screenplay (Heartburn) transparently based on her marriage to Carl Bernstein. It did not portray Bernstein in a flattering light. EVERYONE knew who it was about. Life went on. Bernstein went on. Ultimately no one really cares.

Most people had no idea that Nicepool was based on Justin, because most people didn't know who Justin is. Even if the knew him as the guy from Jane the Virgin or IEWU, they didn't know about his podcast or that he wears a manbun or that he uses his self proclaimed feminism as a defense for sometimes being a real jerk to women. The character functioned as a private joke. Only Justin insisted on announcing to the world "hey, that ridiculous, hypocritical, unselfaware idiot character is me!!" An absurd self own.

He made it a big deal where there wasn't one.

This is a ridiculous take given the things Blake is upset about. Talk about digital violence.

I think making fun of someone in a movie is functionally different from trying to pressure an actress into a higher degree of nudity than she's agreed to previously, to take one of Blake's allegations. One involves hurt feelings, the other involves putting someone in a physically vulnerable position without full consent.

And yes, I'm aware that Baldoni supporters simply don't believe the level of undress Blake was in during the birthing scene was a problem or that there was anything wrong with that situation. I just fundamentally disagree. I think if Baldoni had wanted to film that scene with any level of skin exposure (including what they ultimately agreed to) he should have told Blake in advance and made sure she was comfortable with it, and I find it offensive that he tried to push Blake to do more nudity in that scene by telling her that it is not "normal" for women to wear hospital gowns during childbirth. This was I think the most upsetting SH allegation in Blake's complaint and I think it's much worse than Ryan making a joke at Justin's expense in a movie. Especially since no one even realized the joke was about Justin until Justin himself pointed it out.

Oh yeah, Blake has so little power on that set—that’s why she constantly went over Justin’s head and has six pages of all the things she controlled during production.

For someone who pretends to be knowledgeable, you are certainly a sucker for a fabrication.

Did she go over his head or did she come to him directly with issues multiple times and then when they were ignored, fought tooth and nail to get better workplace safety systems in place that made everyone involved in the production feel better?

She definitely didn't go over his head to, for instance, get a Taylor Swift song for the movie -- he was begging for it. He also consistently solicited her input or even told her that he liked or wanted to use her ideas, and then would tell other producers that there was nothing he could do to control her. Uh, he could have directly said no? He never tried it, and she was under the impression that her input was desired.

Lively definitely had more power on the set than an average actress, but she also used her power to benefit the film. And none of that changes the fact that telling an actress that she should do unscripted nudity in a nude scene because "it's not natural" for a woman to wear a hospital gown while giving birth is scummy, gross behavior. It's not SH in this instance because she was deemed an independent contractor, but that doesn't make it good or okay. A woman can be in a position of power and also be demeaned in a way that sure feels like harassment, and that's what that sounds like to me.

She used her power to benefit the film? That may be the most ridiculous and disproven statement in this entire thread.

Blake cares about Blake and getting credit for work she didn’t do. One of the most amazing things in all this is how much time and energy she spent scheming versus actually putting any work into anything. We now know she didn’t write a bit of the movie, even though she takes credit for it. She was in the editing bay for one day apparently, her idea of editing is hiring the Deadpool editor and then taking credit for “her cut.”

There’s definitely something to be said for delegating, but she tries to take credit for all of these things. And she acts like being too lazy to travel to Boston so getting the shoot redirected to New York, where she lives, is some sort of strategy or strategic decision-making about the film lol. No she just wanted to not have to travel for work which I get, but it’s not some strategic decision to better the film.

It’s the same with her hair products. She claims she worked for years to try to get the exact formulation and we find out from the documents released that the company came to her just a couple of months before she signed a licensing deal. The sad thing is I think she actually believes this stuff like she probably truly thinks at this point that she spent seven years developing a hair brand. She is just the height of delusional. It would be admirable if it wasn’t so scary.

And the video of her talking about this as her strategy is really something else. How she used to be jealous of people who could immerse themselves in character to become someone else when actinf and she can't but what she can do is poke fingers into every aspect of a project to make it work for her. This was about power from the get go and she and Ryan thought NBD about taking over the film because Baldoni was a nobody.