FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.

Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.

“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.

Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.

As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.

Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.

Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.

Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.

Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.

You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.

To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS

Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.

You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.

Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.

+1. You should have told them to “touch grass.”

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.

Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.

“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.

Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.

As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.

Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.

Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.

Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.

Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.

You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.

To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS

Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.

b]"... the case of students in western Great Falls," [/b] You need to review the Forestville boundary map in detail. There are about 250 residences with Great Falls addresses where the only access road. is west of the Seneca Rd /Georgetown Pike intersection. Then there are Herndon residences in a CDP [Census Designated Place] called Dranesville. Plus Reston addresses.

The jigsaw pattern and Herndon to Forestville feed is why a new build residential [from a commercial mini golf etc] lobbied for Langley incluion in the Mclean boundary process.

There is also another CDP called Great Falls Crossing. Some newer great developments got assigned to Forest Edge/Hughes/South Lakes. One of those was first marketed as Forestville/Cooper/Langley , then Aldrin/Herndon. 2 legal descriotions developments have been moved into Colvin Run from Westbriar Island.

Thru is treating the whole thing bulk. Same for Spring Hill Island- which was actually 11 DTA legal descrition dvelopments/complexes [Providence District]. 12th on the list was also in option B - the actual change adopted by the school board. A long time ago people questioned reassigning commercial /vacant land turned residential.

FCPS did squat and the Tysons Tracker doesn't even include the most recent CIP.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.

Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.

“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.

Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.

As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.

Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.

Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.

Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.

Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.

You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.

To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS

Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.

You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.

Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.

Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.

Good luck living your petty life.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.

Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.

“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.

Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.

As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.

Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.

Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.

Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.

Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.

You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.

To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS

Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.

You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.

Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.

Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.

Good luck living your petty life.

One suspects your continued advocacy in a scenario where Langley yet again gets a pass and other pyramids yet again are subject to boundary changes would prove to be of the passive variety. Better for the bigwigs to keep having skin in the game and bringing their money and lawyers to the table.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.

Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.

“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.

Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.

As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.

Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.

Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.

Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.

Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.

You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.

To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS

Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.

You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.

Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.

Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.

Good luck living your petty life.

One suspects your continued advocacy in a scenario where Langley yet again gets a pass and other pyramids yet again are subject to boundary changes would prove to be of the passive variety. Better for the bigwigs to keep having skin in the game and bringing their money and lawyers to the table.

This whole back and forth makes me think you are running a false flag operation to drive certain parts of the county apart.

We remain united against boundary changes anywhere in the county absent a compelling need.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.

Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.

“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.

Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.

As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.

Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.

Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.

Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.

Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.

You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.

To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS

Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.

You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.

Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.

Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.

Good luck living your petty life.

One suspects your continued advocacy in a scenario where Langley yet again gets a pass and other pyramids yet again are subject to boundary changes would prove to be of the passive variety. Better for the bigwigs to keep having skin in the game and bringing their money and lawyers to the table.

This whole back and forth makes me think you are running a false flag operation to drive certain parts of the county apart.

We remain united against boundary changes anywhere in the county absent a compelling need.

Please do not lump me into your “We”. Not everybody is against boundary changes.

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It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.

Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.

“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.

Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.

As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.

Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.

Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.

Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.

Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.

You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.

To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS

Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.

You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.

Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.

Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.

Good luck living your petty life.

One suspects your continued advocacy in a scenario where Langley yet again gets a pass and other pyramids yet again are subject to boundary changes would prove to be of the passive variety. Better for the bigwigs to keep having skin in the game and bringing their money and lawyers to the table.

This whole back and forth makes me think you are running a false flag operation to drive certain parts of the county apart.

We remain united against boundary changes anywhere in the county absent a compelling need.

Please do not lump me into your “We”. Not everybody is against boundary changes.

Oh, I would never put you and me in the same category. I’m not petty nor the living embodiment of “misery loves company.”

When I say “we” I mean the vast majority of Fairfax county families, as seen at the community meetings last fall/winter. we get that you aren’t a team player.

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Regardless of your feelings on the boundaries, the fact that you revel in this knowing that tens of thousands of your community will suffer negative impacts, including mental health issues for lots of these kids, makes you a truly repugnant person.

Or some people might have a different thought on all of this and think that it won’t be nearly as dramatic as you think it is. There are many different opinions.

Kids moving from one school to another will be moving with their classmates from their same ES and will have the support of their family, friends, and the new school they are moving to. More likely then not, there will be other kids moving into that school and others moving out. They are not moving by themselves. I am sure some kids will struggle but I doubt that there will be the massive mental health issues that you seem to think that there will be. The move might even be good for some kids.

The fact that they will be moving with friends from same elementary school is not necessarily true. And, you sound like someone who has not understood how this will affect families that have kids in more than one high school--or elementary school. I guess it is unlikely that you would have kids in two middle schools, but that also might be possible.
Have you considered the support of family in these circumstances? Having to go in two different directions for activities, sports, etc? Think of the single parent. Two PTA dues. Two sets of spirit gear. Etc.
We've talked a lot about this as it applies to high schools, but this could also affect elementary.

And, the issue of IB/AP has not been addressed.

You sound like a parent who wants other kids districted into your school. In this case, you are not going to have the very difficult adjustments.

And, we have yet to discuss staffing.

I see, so your point of view is the only one that matters and that there are other people with different thoughts and considerations is immaterial. Got it. You do your best to try and make anyone who posts a different thought then yours look selfish while you are trying to defend the mental well being of all kids and don’t have any personal bias for wanting to stay where you are.

We get it, you don’t want your child to change schools for a variety or legitimate reasons. The problem is that there are legitimate reasons to adjust boundaries and that boundaries are going to shift. You could careless if kids are moved from a school that isn’t yours because you don’t want to move to Lewis or Herndon or whatever school that is not as good as the school you are currently at.

Guess what? I don’t want my kid to move schools. We are in the middle of the Centerville, Chantilly, Oakton, Westfield, South Lakes, Herndon mess. The number of ways kids have moved my kids cohort is impressive. I fully expect that my kid will move or his friends will move and it will be disruptive. I don’t see how the County maintains its current boundaries with the way some of the schools are overcrowded. And I don’t think that it is a matter of moving on the margins. The moves to fix the overcrowding in this area is likely to have ripple effects. The question is how do we make those moves with as much support as possible while diminishing disruption.

My kids were at a split feeder elementary school, so their friends went to one of two middle schools. They are currently at a split feeder middle school, so their friends will go to one of four (I think) different high schools. IT'S ALREADY DISRUPTIVE FOR A LOT OF KIDS!!!! I would absolutely love for this to be fixed, so that my kids could be K-12 with the same kids like I was, but interestingly, neither their elementary school, nor their middle school seems to be under consideration for rezoning. Some of us are actually okay with the prospect of rezoning because our kids' friends groups are changing all over the place anyway. I know I'm not the only parent in this situation so I wish folks would stop speaking for everyone.

Isn't Carson the only middle school that sends kids to four high schools, and that's because the AAP program pulls in some Chantilly kids who otherwise wouldn't go there.

If they don't address the weird splits into and out of Carson, it shouldn't make you any happier if they make other changes for which there was little or no demand (others were fine with existing attendance islands and other split feeders, or weren't complaining about their supposedly "overcrowded" schools).

Yes, it's Carson.

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Did the BRAC meet today? How long until docs are released for a Monday meeting?

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Not nearly good enough. The school board created BRAC, and is required to allow the public to attend.

No, it didn’t. The Superintendent created it. It’s her advisory committee, not the Board’s.

Don’t lie. The school board voted to create the committee. It’s a school board committee. You can’t just call it a superintendent committee to evade FOIA.

This stuff matters. We shouldn’t be a lawless county.

Show the boarddocs page where the Board created it then.

See. They’re a SB cult. These are the very folks who go around saying the red hats are a cult.

You are so weird and clearly have nothing else in your life. I’m not in a cult and I am not a fan of this school board. But I believe in facts. You people are saying this is a board committee. I showed information that it is a superintendent’s committee and asked for evidence that it’s a board committee. And you scream “cult.” Deeply weird.

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they do. Meeting updates should be posted sometime tomorrow at https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

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Not nearly good enough. The school board created BRAC, and is required to allow the public to attend.

No, it didn’t. The Superintendent created it. It’s her advisory committee, not the Board’s.

Don’t lie. The school board voted to create the committee. It’s a school board committee. You can’t just call it a superintendent committee to evade FOIA.

This stuff matters. We shouldn’t be a lawless county.

Show the boarddocs page where the Board created it then.

See. They’re a SB cult. These are the very folks who go around saying the red hats are a cult.

You are so weird and clearly have nothing else in your life. I’m not in a cult and I am not a fan of this school board. But I believe in facts. You people are saying this is a board committee. I showed information that it is a superintendent’s committee and asked for evidence that it’s a board committee. And you scream “cult.” Deeply weird.

DP. It seemed like your “evidence” was just a web page labeling the BRAC a committee of the Superintendent. It didn’t really speak to who created the committee, just how FCPS is currently describing it. It’s not beyond FCPS to engage in such self-serving behavior, especially when it wants to shield discussions from public scrutiny.

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Not nearly good enough. The school board created BRAC, and is required to allow the public to attend.

No, it didn’t. The Superintendent created it. It’s her advisory committee, not the Board’s.

Don’t lie. The school board voted to create the committee. It’s a school board committee. You can’t just call it a superintendent committee to evade FOIA.

This stuff matters. We shouldn’t be a lawless county.

Show the boarddocs page where the Board created it then.

See. They’re a SB cult. These are the very folks who go around saying the red hats are a cult.

You are so weird and clearly have nothing else in your life. I’m not in a cult and I am not a fan of this school board. But I believe in facts. You people are saying this is a board committee. I showed information that it is a superintendent’s committee and asked for evidence that it’s a board committee. And you scream “cult.” Deeply weird.

I think that it is "officially" a superintendent committee. I think this was done with the idea that it was a way to avoid FOIA. Not sure that is accurate, but I think that was the idea.

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Not nearly good enough. The school board created BRAC, and is required to allow the public to attend.

No, it didn’t. The Superintendent created it. It’s her advisory committee, not the Board’s.

Don’t lie. The school board voted to create the committee. It’s a school board committee. You can’t just call it a superintendent committee to evade FOIA.

This stuff matters. We shouldn’t be a lawless county.

Show the boarddocs page where the Board created it then.

See. They’re a SB cult. These are the very folks who go around saying the red hats are a cult.

You are so weird and clearly have nothing else in your life. I’m not in a cult and I am not a fan of this school board. But I believe in facts. You people are saying this is a board committee. I showed information that it is a superintendent’s committee and asked for evidence that it’s a board committee. And you scream “cult.” Deeply weird.

I think that it is "officially" a superintendent committee. I think this was done with the idea that it was a way to avoid FOIA. Not sure that is accurate, but I think that was the idea.

It’s bizarre that Reid posts a lengthy message every week about all her activities that all but describes her bowel movements, yet works with counsel to structure an advisory committee whose discussions are largely secret based on an aggressive interpretation of VFOIA that may not even survive legal scrutiny.

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It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.

Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.

“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.

Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.

As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.

Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.

Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.

Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.

Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.

You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.

To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS

Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.

You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.

Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.

Well, if you can’t read well enough to understand my earlier post where I said I will continue to advocate for no boundary changes for anyone, then you are a lost cause. I couldn’t have stated it more clearly.

Good luck living your petty life.

Different poster here. I'm in WSHS area and our area appreciates your support.