FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:We don't need ANOTHER high school need near Tysons, we need a high school in western Fairfax county.


DP. Then your first step should be talking them out of expanding Centreville to 3000 seats. That is the final nail in the coffin of a new western HS.


We all know why we don’t have a western high school and who has been pushing against any investment in addressing capacity.

Armstrong ES is projected to have 41% capacity in five years. Will the new Thru threshold be 45%-105% in five years? For no particular reason at all?

And if you get your wish, and the Centreville HS expansion is shut down, kids right next door will be bussed across Fairfax city to attend Fairfax high instead of attending the school right next door.

But your kids will attend Langley high and not Herndon. We see how this works.


I’m not at Langley and would have fully supported a new western HS.

But they’ve already expanded Langley, Madison, Oakton, South Lakes, and Herndon, and have a big expansion of Centreville planned now. All six of those schools serve kids in western Fairfax, even if not in western Fairfax themselves.

These expansions and expansion plans are inconsistent with a new western HS, which is why I suggest you advocate for scaling back (not eliminating) the Centreville expansion if you really think a western HS will ever get built.

If all you want is a huge expansion of Centreville to absorb the western part of the Fairfax HS catchment area, then advocate for that and stop talking about a new western HS. While you’re at it, let us know who is going to attend Fairfax, with its 2400 seats, if all these kids move to Centreville.


The expansion should absolutely proceed at Centrevillle HS to allow neighborhoods in western Fairfax that are right next to Centreville HS attend the newly renovated high school next door instead of being bussed across Fairfax city.

As for the bold, there are multiple new developments just down Jermantown road from Providence ES and KJ that are converting commercial sites to residential sites:

The Flint Hill one is currently zoned for Fairfax Providence/KJ/Fairfafx:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/

The AT&T site is commercial land that is currently in the Oakton ES boundary, but is also on Jermantown road (literally across the street from the Flint Hill development) and can be rezoned to Providence/KJ/Fairfax:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/

So, expand Centreville so that in five years, you have capacity to shift adjacent neighborhoods to attend, and Fairfax HS has capacity to meet the conversion of commercial sites to residential sites.

Why on earth do you go on and on about zoning Oakton kids away from Oakton HS???


Dude is desperate to move kids out of Oakton and then argue his Falls Church kid should get rezoned there.


The post is about the AT&T site. No one lives there now. No. One. It is currently a commercial site. It happens to be zoned for Oakton. It should be zone for Fairfax.

Again, no one lives there right now. Go look. It’s a commercial site that is being converted.


We understand your frustration. But if more kids feed into Oakton, it's even less likely your far-fetched dream of getting moved from Falls Church to Oakton will ever come to pass.


That post was not by that guy. That post was by someone who sees the that the AT&T site will be used to push current families out of Oakton.

I don’t like that Falls Church guy either, but you are missing the mark with your attack.

I am currently in the Oakton pyramid and don’t want to see my kids moved out so someone can sell high density housing at a higher rate as “part of the Oakton pyramid” then use that capacity bump to push my kids out of Oakton.

No one lives in the AT&T building.
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Just give it to AI. Feed in the current school capacities and where the current students live and see what AI does to create a completely new map.



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It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.


West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.


Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.


“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.


Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.


As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.


Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.


The only reason that Herndon High School has excess capacity is because 300 students transfer to other high schools. Most students in Great Falls would have long bus rides no matter what high school they attend. Houses are far apart so the buses have to make more stops.

If anyone actually cared about transportation costs they would recommend not paying to bus elementary and middle school students to AAP Centers. Most schools have school based AAP at this point. The school board should make it a priority to have AAP in every elementary and middle school.
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It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.


West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.


Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.


“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.


Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.


As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.


Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.


Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.



Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.


Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.
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Anonymous wrote:We don't need ANOTHER high school need near Tysons, we need a high school in western Fairfax county.


DP. Then your first step should be talking them out of expanding Centreville to 3000 seats. That is the final nail in the coffin of a new western HS.


We all know why we don’t have a western high school and who has been pushing against any investment in addressing capacity.

Armstrong ES is projected to have 41% capacity in five years. Will the new Thru threshold be 45%-105% in five years? For no particular reason at all?

And if you get your wish, and the Centreville HS expansion is shut down, kids right next door will be bussed across Fairfax city to attend Fairfax high instead of attending the school right next door.

But your kids will attend Langley high and not Herndon. We see how this works.


I’m not at Langley and would have fully supported a new western HS.

But they’ve already expanded Langley, Madison, Oakton, South Lakes, and Herndon, and have a big expansion of Centreville planned now. All six of those schools serve kids in western Fairfax, even if not in western Fairfax themselves.

These expansions and expansion plans are inconsistent with a new western HS, which is why I suggest you advocate for scaling back (not eliminating) the Centreville expansion if you really think a western HS will ever get built.

If all you want is a huge expansion of Centreville to absorb the western part of the Fairfax HS catchment area, then advocate for that and stop talking about a new western HS. While you’re at it, let us know who is going to attend Fairfax, with its 2400 seats, if all these kids move to Centreville.


The expansion should absolutely proceed at Centrevillle HS to allow neighborhoods in western Fairfax that are right next to Centreville HS attend the newly renovated high school next door instead of being bussed across Fairfax city.

As for the bold, there are multiple new developments just down Jermantown road from Providence ES and KJ that are converting commercial sites to residential sites:

The Flint Hill one is currently zoned for Fairfax Providence/KJ/Fairfafx:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/

The AT&T site is commercial land that is currently in the Oakton ES boundary, but is also on Jermantown road (literally across the street from the Flint Hill development) and can be rezoned to Providence/KJ/Fairfax:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/

So, expand Centreville so that in five years, you have capacity to shift adjacent neighborhoods to attend, and Fairfax HS has capacity to meet the conversion of commercial sites to residential sites.

Why on earth do you go on and on about zoning Oakton kids away from Oakton HS???


Dude is desperate to move kids out of Oakton and then argue his Falls Church kid should get rezoned there.


The post is about the AT&T site. No one lives there now. No. One. It is currently a commercial site. It happens to be zoned for Oakton. It should be zone for Fairfax.

Again, no one lives there right now. Go look. It’s a commercial site that is being converted.


We understand your frustration. But if more kids feed into Oakton, it's even less likely your far-fetched dream of getting moved from Falls Church to Oakton will ever come to pass.


That post was not by that guy. That post was by someone who sees the that the AT&T site will be used to push current families out of Oakton.

I don’t like that Falls Church guy either, but you are missing the mark with your attack.

I am currently in the Oakton pyramid and don’t want to see my kids moved out so someone can sell high density housing at a higher rate as “part of the Oakton pyramid” then use that capacity bump to push my kids out of Oakton.

No one lives in the AT&T building.


My bad. He was blathering on the FB page today so made the wrong assumption he was holding court here again as well.
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Anonymous wrote:Just give it to AI. Feed in the current school capacities and where the current students live and see what AI does to create a completely new map.



Garbage in, garbage out. Why should I be asked to send my kid a longer distance to school because some moron at FCPS made a bad decision to over-expand one school and under-invest in another one years ago?
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It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.


West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.


Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.


“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.


Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.


As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.


Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.


Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.



Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.


Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.


You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.
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It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.


West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.


Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.


“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.


Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.


As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.


Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.


Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.



Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.


Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.


You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.


Well, despite your attitude, I will continue to fight against all unnecessary boundary changes across the county, not just the ones that impact my pyramid. I think it’s worth fighting for the greater good.
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Regardless of your feelings on the boundaries, the fact that you revel in this knowing that tens of thousands of your community will suffer negative impacts, including mental health issues for lots of these kids, makes you a truly repugnant person.


Or some people might have a different thought on all of this and think that it won’t be nearly as dramatic as you think it is. There are many different opinions.

Kids moving from one school to another will be moving with their classmates from their same ES and will have the support of their family, friends, and the new school they are moving to. More likely then not, there will be other kids moving into that school and others moving out. They are not moving by themselves. I am sure some kids will struggle but I doubt that there will be the massive mental health issues that you seem to think that there will be. The move might even be good for some kids.


The fact that they will be moving with friends from same elementary school is not necessarily true. And, you sound like someone who has not understood how this will affect families that have kids in more than one high school--or elementary school. I guess it is unlikely that you would have kids in two middle schools, but that also might be possible.
Have you considered the support of family in these circumstances? Having to go in two different directions for activities, sports, etc? Think of the single parent. Two PTA dues. Two sets of spirit gear. Etc.
We've talked a lot about this as it applies to high schools, but this could also affect elementary.

And, the issue of IB/AP has not been addressed.

You sound like a parent who wants other kids districted into your school. In this case, you are not going to have the very difficult adjustments.

And, we have yet to discuss staffing.


I see, so your point of view is the only one that matters and that there are other people with different thoughts and considerations is immaterial. Got it. You do your best to try and make anyone who posts a different thought then yours look selfish while you are trying to defend the mental well being of all kids and don’t have any personal bias for wanting to stay where you are.

We get it, you don’t want your child to change schools for a variety or legitimate reasons. The problem is that there are legitimate reasons to adjust boundaries and that boundaries are going to shift. You could careless if kids are moved from a school that isn’t yours because you don’t want to move to Lewis or Herndon or whatever school that is not as good as the school you are currently at.

Guess what? I don’t want my kid to move schools. We are in the middle of the Centerville, Chantilly, Oakton, Westfield, South Lakes, Herndon mess. The number of ways kids have moved my kids cohort is impressive. I fully expect that my kid will move or his friends will move and it will be disruptive. I don’t see how the County maintains its current boundaries with the way some of the schools are overcrowded. And I don’t think that it is a matter of moving on the margins. The moves to fix the overcrowding in this area is likely to have ripple effects. The question is how do we make those moves with as much support as possible while diminishing disruption.


My kids were at a split feeder elementary school, so their friends went to one of two middle schools. They are currently at a split feeder middle school, so their friends will go to one of four (I think) different high schools. IT'S ALREADY DISRUPTIVE FOR A LOT OF KIDS!!!! I would absolutely love for this to be fixed, so that my kids could be K-12 with the same kids like I was, but interestingly, neither their elementary school, nor their middle school seems to be under consideration for rezoning. Some of us are actually okay with the prospect of rezoning because our kids' friends groups are changing all over the place anyway. I know I'm not the only parent in this situation so I wish folks would stop speaking for everyone.


I agree with this and would not want my children to go through this. But how the heck was Oakton not touched during the split feeder assessment? Maybe that will come with capacity maps tonight.


Thru was fairly upfront about acknowledging that they weren't going to tackle the really tough situations like when a split feeder school is physically located in an area that sends less than 25% of its kids to a particular MS or HS. It mostly seems to be about targeting low-hanging fruit and coming up with "fixes" that in many instances create as many new problems as they solve.

It just shows the incompetence and cowardice of this School Board. They want to claim to have "accomplished" things, but they don't actually accomplish anything particularly valuable or useful, and they spend next to no time focusing on the root causes of the problems they are trying to fix.


Yes! How was this the outcome of the $500k+ and public outrage this has all caused?

Will see what capacity maps create. They are creating new problems vs solving what’s actually needed.
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It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.


West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.


Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.


“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.


Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.


As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.


Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.


The only reason that Herndon High School has excess capacity is because 300 students transfer to other high schools. Most students in Great Falls would have long bus rides no matter what high school they attend. Houses are far apart so the buses have to make more stops.

If anyone actually cared about transportation costs they would recommend not paying to bus elementary and middle school students to AAP Centers. Most schools have school based AAP at this point. The school board should make it a priority to have AAP in every elementary and middle school.


No. Herndon HS also has excess capacity because it got a big expansion during its renovation, which likely was justified internally within FCPS at the time on the grounds that it could help with overcrowding elsewhere in the county or allow students living closer to Herndon than other schools to go there. If every student transferring out of Herndon stayed at Herndon, including those going to TJHSST, Herndon still would have over 200 surplus seats this year.

And, yes, Great Falls is a "school desert" at the MS/HS level, but some commutes are longer than others.

What they do with AAP centers is a different issue, and one they appear to have no intention of addressing in conjunction with the boundary study.
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It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.


West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.


Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.


“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.


Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.


As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.


Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.


Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.



Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.


Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.


You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.


To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS
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It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.


West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.


Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.


“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.


Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.


As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.


Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.


Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.



Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.


Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.


You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.


To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS


Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.
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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon


It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.


West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.


Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.


“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.


Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.


As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.


Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.


Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.



Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.


Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.


You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.


To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS


Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.


You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.
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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon


It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.


West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.


Sure it does, if kids live closer to a school that has even more extra capacity. Why should others pay to bus your kids longer distances than necessary? Also, your numbers for Langley don't include the additional kids from closer-in Tysons they're going to move to Langley.

And why should we bother moving kids out of "over capacity" schools - and capacity should take the modular seats that cost millions to install into account - now if those schools are expected to see declines in enrollment?

But let's see what they come up with today. If they propose to move kids out of Chantilly and West Springfield, with their compact boundaries, while leaving Langley with its far-flung boundaries untouched, it will be a political disaster for the Democrats in Sully and Springfield.


“Political disaster”? Literal LOL.


Sully and Springfield are already the two most conservative magisterial districts in Fairfax. Goodbye, Dixit and Anderson if they screw the middle class while giving the Langley rich another pass.


As someone who lives in WSHS area and whose kid could get moved, my anger about all this will not be impacted by what they do to Langley. I will be angry either way.


Not me. We live close to our current schools and they may rezone us anyway, so if they are going to continue busing Langley kids 10 miles while upending our kids lives in furtherance of unclear goals I will be doubly pissed.


Well, I think you’ve just outed yourself as a big ol hypocrite. It’s gotta be tough having that much cognitive dissonance.



Nothing hypocritical about it at all. If county-wide boundary changes are really needed like they're claiming they should go all in and not just look for soft targets while letting the rich people who'd make the biggest stink off the hook again.


Class warfare on your neighbors. Stay classy, hypocrite.


You don't know what hypocrisy means. I want the same thing for you as FCPS appears to want for me, and they have discretion to do so under their policy since cutting down on transportation times and costs gets just as much prominence as addressing a capacity deficit.

Plus you have money to hire the lawyers to challenge them. Not all of us do.

They know that, and that's why you get left out of boundary studies while others are not so fortunate.


To recap your view is if something bad has to happen to me i hope it happens to everyone else too (specifically Langley). You can use the transportation cost reasons all you want but that was debunked over and over. The cost to save 2-9 minutes each way for a few buses isn’t adding up to any amount of savings.

The problem with how big Herndon was built out it does not match capacity of Herndon MS. There is not space to move an entire elementary into that pyramid. Especially since it appears they are moving part of the very over crowded Coates to Herndon ES which feeds into Herndon Ms and Herndon HS


Or, stated differently, if some are to benefit from the advantages of county-wide redistricting, it would be unfair to deprive Langley families of that same opportunity.

In the case of students in western Great Falls, the shorter commutes to Herndon and potential transportation savings were never "debunked" simply because you chose to downplay them ad nauseam on this thread. You're confusing the frequency of your objections with the quality of your argument.

The mismatch of MS capacity with HS capacity isn't unique to Herndon. Even so, HMS is also projected to be well under capacity through 2029. And moving Coates kids who already are zoned to HMS/HHS to HES doesn't impact the enrollment at HMS or HHS. It only changes the ES assignment.

Look forward to your continuing to advocate on behalf of everyone who'd rather stay put. After all, if you can successfully advocate on Langley's behalf here, advocating on behalf of the rest of us who actually live close to our current schools ought to be a slam dunk.


You’re responding to a different poster. You also sound like a pretty awful person.


Oh, so you wouldn't advocate on anyone else's behalf but your own, but you take issues with others expecting Langley to be subject to the same scrutiny as other areas? Got it.

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I live in Langley and have been advocating for other people’s pyramids to not have changes. I attended enough school board meetings and community feedback meetings to see no one wants this. Except for the select few who want better students moved into their schools or who want to move into better pyramids (falls church guy). The majority of people - even at the overcrowded schools - do not want to move. The last consulting firm fcps hired told fcps do big changes like this as a last result. They don’t listen and have an agenda on their hands. My kids won’t be moved to fix some test scores. Nor should anyone else’s kid

Also i agree that you sound like a pretty awful
Person. I can’t imagine hating a group of people so much without even knowing them
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