The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021

[Anonymous]

I am really interested to see how this plays out for the fall. The shifting perceptions and behavior could not be more confusing. One week we are making sure we do not walk on the same side of the street as anyone else in our neighborhood and the next week 10k people are protesting at close distances downtown. I am fully supportive of the protests but it is interesting that they totally get a pass and that any other large event is strictly out of the question. I do think it helps that they are all outside. But, couldn’t classes be outside? Potential bad weather would make that tricky of course. So many people are so over quarantining that it seems like we are going to be overly reckless in some ways and overprotective in others. I do not know what the answer is — but I would love to somehow get my three kids out of my house and doing something more productive !

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am really interested to see how this plays out for the fall. The shifting perceptions and behavior could not be more confusing. One week we are making sure we do not walk on the same side of the street as anyone else in our neighborhood and the next week 10k people are protesting at close distances downtown. I am fully supportive of the protests but it is interesting that they totally get a pass and that any other large event is strictly out of the question. I do think it helps that they are all outside. But, couldn’t classes be outside? Potential bad weather would make that tricky of course. So many people are so over quarantining that it seems like we are going to be overly reckless in some ways and overprotective in others. I do not know what the answer is — but I would love to somehow get my three kids out of my house and doing something more productive !

People are protesting people being killed. What do you want to do in large groups? Shop? Go to the pool?

My parents risked their life and limb in the 1950s when dogs and firehoses were turned on them. Protestors today realize they are taking a risk. They think ending police brutality is worth the risk. Maybe instead of risking your life for “doing something” trivial for entertainment, you could go join the protests?

[Anonymous]

Jobs, not mobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am really interested to see how this plays out for the fall. The shifting perceptions and behavior could not be more confusing. One week we are making sure we do not walk on the same side of the street as anyone else in our neighborhood and the next week 10k people are protesting at close distances downtown. I am fully supportive of the protests but it is interesting that they totally get a pass and that any other large event is strictly out of the question. I do think it helps that they are all outside. But, couldn’t classes be outside? Potential bad weather would make that tricky of course. So many people are so over quarantining that it seems like we are going to be overly reckless in some ways and overprotective in others. I do not know what the answer is — but I would love to somehow get my three kids out of my house and doing something more productive !

People are protesting people being killed. What do you want to do in large groups? Shop? Go to the pool?

My parents risked their life and limb in the 1950s when dogs and firehoses were turned on them. Protestors today realize they are taking a risk. They think ending police brutality is worth the risk. Maybe instead of risking your life for “doing something” trivial for entertainment, you could go join the protests?

I am in total support of the activism right now for social justice. I think it’s long overdue and hopefully could lead to some real change in this country (which we are already seeing a bit of with Confederate statues coming down and police reform being considered). This thread is about schools in the fall (I am not talking about concerts or sporting events). I do think it will be a little confusing if school is essentially canceled in the fall because of the public health risks but then we discount the public health risks of protesting (or, as you say, willingly accept the risk). I think the protests are fantastic from a political/social justice perspective. But I just worry we are throwing social distancing out the window. And I’d throwing social distancing out the window is not that big of deal, then maybe we need at least try to have outside school for our kids next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am really interested to see how this plays out for the fall. The shifting perceptions and behavior could not be more confusing. One week we are making sure we do not walk on the same side of the street as anyone else in our neighborhood and the next week 10k people are protesting at close distances downtown. I am fully supportive of the protests but it is interesting that they totally get a pass and that any other large event is strictly out of the question. I do think it helps that they are all outside. But, couldn’t classes be outside? Potential bad weather would make that tricky of course. So many people are so over quarantining that it seems like we are going to be overly reckless in some ways and overprotective in others. I do not know what the answer is — but I would love to somehow get my three kids out of my house and doing something more productive !

People are protesting people being killed. What do you want to do in large groups? Shop? Go to the pool?

My parents risked their life and limb in the 1950s when dogs and firehoses were turned on them. Protestors today realize they are taking a risk. They think ending police brutality is worth the risk. Maybe instead of risking your life for “doing something” trivial for entertainment, you could go join the protests?

I am in total support of the activism right now for social justice. I think it’s long overdue and hopefully could lead to some real change in this country (which we are already seeing a bit of with Confederate statues coming down and police reform being considered). This thread is about schools in the fall (I am not talking about concerts or sporting events). I do think it will be a little confusing if school is essentially canceled in the fall because of the public health risks but then we discount the public health risks of protesting (or, as you say, willingly accept the risk). I think the protests are fantastic from a political/social justice perspective. But I just worry we are throwing social distancing out the window. And I’d throwing social distancing out the window is not that big of deal, then maybe we need at least try to have outside school for our kids next year.

The problem is that most of the people ready to riot if schools don’t reopen next year won’t be satisfied with outdoor school. Outdoor school in this area will have enormous limitations on length and frequency due to heat and humidity. Even camps move kids indoors when the heat index soars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The problem is that most of the people ready to riot if schools don’t reopen next year won’t be satisfied with outdoor school. Outdoor school in this area will have enormous limitations on length and frequency due to heat and humidity. Even camps move kids indoors when the heat index soars.

I have no problem with school outdoors as much as possible.

-parent who is ready to riot if schools don't open in the fall

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The problem is that most of the people ready to riot if schools don’t reopen next year won’t be satisfied with outdoor school. Outdoor school in this area will have enormous limitations on length and frequency due to heat and humidity. Even camps move kids indoors when the heat index soars.

I have no problem with school outdoors as much as possible.

-parent who is ready to riot if schools don't open in the fall

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The problem is that most of the people ready to riot if schools don’t reopen next year won’t be satisfied with outdoor school. Outdoor school in this area will have enormous limitations on length and frequency due to heat and humidity. Even camps move kids indoors when the heat index soars.

I have no problem with school outdoors as much as possible.

-parent who is ready to riot if schools don't open in the fall

+1

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The problem is that most of the people ready to riot if schools don’t reopen next year won’t be satisfied with outdoor school. Outdoor school in this area will have enormous limitations on length and frequency due to heat and humidity. Even camps move kids indoors when the heat index soars.

I have no problem with school outdoors as much as possible.

-parent who is ready to riot if schools don't open in the fall

+1

Even if it means that schools might be cancelled at 5 am because the conditions are dangerous? Sept will surely see high index days. Or is your expectation that on those days, school will simply move indoors, even if it means cramming 30 students into a classroom and 150 students moving through that space over the course of a day?

[Anonymous]

From the Irish study in another thread:

While this study, based on small numbers, provides limited evidence in relation to COVID-19 transmission in the school setting, it includes all known cases with school attendance in the Republic of Ireland. The results moreover echo the experience of other countries, where children are not emerging as considerable drivers of transmission of COVID-19.

These findings suggest that schools are not a high risk setting for transmission of COVID-19 between pupils or between staff and pupils.

There are no zero risk approaches, but the school environment appears to be low risk.

[Anonymous]

There is new information that asymptotic transmission is rare and the focus should be to contain individuals who are symptomatic as well as contact tracing.

[Anonymous]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is new information that asymptotic transmission is rare and the focus should be to contain individuals who are symptomatic as well as contact tracing.

That’s not new information. It was just never acted upon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am really interested to see how this plays out for the fall. The shifting perceptions and behavior could not be more confusing. One week we are making sure we do not walk on the same side of the street as anyone else in our neighborhood and the next week 10k people are protesting at close distances downtown. I am fully supportive of the protests but it is interesting that they totally get a pass and that any other large event is strictly out of the question. I do think it helps that they are all outside. But, couldn’t classes be outside? Potential bad weather would make that tricky of course. So many people are so over quarantining that it seems like we are going to be overly reckless in some ways and overprotective in others. I do not know what the answer is — but I would love to somehow get my three kids out of my house and doing something more productive !

I agree, PP. for what it’s worth, I’m somebody who embodies the paradox. We’ve been doing a good job social distancing, wearing masks, etc., but then we took our kids down to the protests at the White House. We were internally conflicted but also felt compelled to go... I’m also wondering about school, and hoping they can get back at least partially in person. I wish we had better answers. I don’t wish I’ll on people who want to end the quarantine, I understand. We’re humans and we’re expecting superhuman restraint from the majority of the population. It just don’t work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The problem is that most of the people ready to riot if schools don’t reopen next year won’t be satisfied with outdoor school. Outdoor school in this area will have enormous limitations on length and frequency due to heat and humidity. Even camps move kids indoors when the heat index soars.

I have no problem with school outdoors as much as possible.

-parent who is ready to riot if schools don't open in the fall

+1

Even if it means that schools might be cancelled at 5 am because the conditions are dangerous? Sept will surely see high index days. Or is your expectation that on those days, school will simply move indoors, even if it means cramming 30 students into a classroom and 150 students moving through that space over the course of a day?

I don't know about you, but the schools I went to had no air-conditioning.