James Van der beek died! 48 yo :(
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This is crazy! They don’t need to live in a 5 million dollar ranch. Sell the ranch to get back the down payment and move somewhere where you can live on $12,000/month (rental money from the other property). The greed is crazy! This GFM is in such poor taste. |
Anonymous
lol at the six kids sharing one or two bathrooms, which would be “uncomfortable.” I know a family with four kids who grew up with zero bathroom and had to wash using a sink. In the 1980s. I shared one bathroom with my sister and parents and it was just fine. I think people focus more on the 36 acres and the price of the property, which in TX, is a lot. Just read comments on the go fund me, with one person facing eviction who is giving $5. People really are generous. |
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The home was resigned around 2020, well after he knew he got no residuals. Who redesigns a home when you are without regular income coming in? When you don’t har enough saved for the future? If the $12k rental income is the only income coming in, you’re stupid to go and lease an expansive place. One that is 5200 sq feet for the main house alone, on 36 acres, guest cabins and a pool for $5 million - yeah, that’s unreasonable. The bolded is so crazy…we have no idea what the downpayment was that he put on the property, no idea how much debt remains on it, but a 36 acre property is not a necessity by any stretch of the imagination and a property of that size is an unreasonable expectation…if you’re asking other to fund these decisions. |
Anonymous
Most people seem to be giving $25 or less. It's just that there's a lot of them. |
Anonymous
I agree that the ranch is large and probably not practical. They must not want to immediately uproot the kids and I’m sure it’s devastating for them to have to leave the last place they lived with their father, in the life they felt suited them. In any event, we don’t know the specifics. All we know is that a good person and father of six died and his family is not in a great financial situation. Help or don’t. |
Anonymous
But we DON’T know they are not in a great financial position. Based on the evidence (property they are on record owning) it looks like they are actually in a financial position better than 90% (or more) of most Americans. It looks like they are asking people (some who are actually may be close losing a roof over their heads) to pay for their lavish lifestyle. And, it looks like they are lying about their financial situation on their GFM.The GFM is super shady and in poor taste. If fans want to donate a few bucks to the family, just because, fine. But making it seem like they NEED the money on the GFM is gross. |
Anonymous
They had hundreds of thousands of dollars from a tax lien filed against them that was satisfied in 2022. THis was a year before the diagnosis. Clearly money issues were prevalent that had nothing to do with his health. Agree also with the above poster: the tax debt was paid off in 2022. Clearly money is coming in from somewhere. No, I don't agree that all we know is he wasn't in a great financial position. The GFM is very vague - and I don't get that they were struggling. |
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The latest on his jerseys being sold:
https://apple.news/AjKLhD0epQ5KXvnYc_UjWgg People not offered full refunds when they bought signed merch and now they can’t send it. Includes a note that if you want a partial refund, we will send an unsigned jersey but note you’ll reduce the support going to James’ family. |
Anonymous
I think this is what it comes down to as well. But it is HUGE cultural shift that people of this class are comfortable basically begging for money publicly. All the people who are criticizing and appalled are coming from a place of traditional American values which this completely goes against. Famous Hollywood buddies of heath ledger gave enormous amounts to his family, but it was supposed to be shameful to not be in this position and the shame was due to the overall opportunity available freely in this country. The fact that it wasn't friends of the family who canvassed around the wealthy milieu in which they existed but an open begging site and the fact that such a site is needed signals a huge shift in the cultural and economic fabric of the United States. the older culture of the country used to be that families and neighbors would mobilize to help a family like this while protecting their dignity and we have completely lost that part of our "Christian" character. this really should be a conversation about medical care and how it is paid for and I am someone who is appalled by the begging aspect and poor management but also have sympathy - it is tragic and very difficult. |
Anonymous
I mean those people can use their brain and not donate?? I don't donate to every cause out there that I see. Reasonable people have many reasons for giving and also have to make choices. |
Anonymous
This is not why people object to the ask. A few of the actual reasons include: - they have a second home in CA that rents out at $12k+/mo + had enormous IRS debt which they paid off (so they’ve recently had $ issues even before he was sick and got access to money somehow to pay it off) + they moved to TX into a huge piece of property with no long term plan and after just coming off money issues with taxes + did not work enough despite many kids and money issues + kept having kids despite failing to plan for them or the future. Go read the ant and the grasshopper. People object to them being grasshoppers. |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I just wish that people would connect the dots that [b]medical bankruptcy[/b] is a real thing and happens to lots of Americans every day. I am too jaded to think this will open a broader conversation about national health insurance or safety nets. Or that that the people who donate to James Van der Beek would also open their hearts to an unnamed destitute family in their own communities. [/quote]
Except he had a multimillion dollar home in LA which he redesigned a few years ago (so he had money for that) and I think he rents out for $12,000/month and he has this property in TX. If you'd said he is house poor, I'd get it. If you're saying he suffered from a medical bankruptcy, then I don't think you understand what bankrupt means.[/quote] When did he redesign it? You don’t know if he paid for the renovations with cash or a HELOC. That rental income might be their only source of income. Who knows what the mortgage is, property taxes and maintenance cost. He set his family up with one known source of passive income. If you don’t think their situation warrants a donation or it’s not within your means to do so, don’t give. I didn’t donate but I don’t have a problem with them asking. I am of the mindset that they [b]wouldn’t have asked if it wasn’t necessary[/b]. His wife is facing the reality of raising six kids alone. They have publicly stated that they used most of their money to pay for James care. I believe them. Maybe she will ultimately downsize. Maybe she’s trying to get through this awful loss before she focuses on uprooting her kids. Also, it’s a big house in terms of square footage, but it’s five beds and three baths. That’s not exactly an unreasonable amount of space for six kids. As it is all the kids probably share a bathroom which sounds uncomfortable.[/quote] The home was resigned around 2020, well after he knew he got no residuals. Who redesigns a home when you are without regular income coming in? When you don’t har enough saved for the future? If the $12k rental income is the only income coming in, you’re stupid to go and lease an expansive place. One that is 5200 sq feet for the main house alone, on 36 acres, guest cabins and a pool for $5 million - yeah, that’s unreasonable. The bolded is so crazy…we have no idea what the downpayment was that he put on the property, no idea how much debt remains on it, but a 36 acre property is not a necessity by any stretch of the imagination and a property of that size is an unreasonable expectation…if you’re asking other to fund these decisions.[/quote] I agree that the ranch is large and probably not practical. They must not want to immediately uproot the kids and I’m sure it’s devastating for them to have to leave the last place they lived with their father, in the life they felt suited them. In any event, we don’t know the specifics. All we know is that a good person and father of six died and his family is not in a great financial situation. Help or don’t. [/quote] I think this is what it comes down to as well. But it is HUGE cultural shift that people of this class are comfortable basically begging for money publicly. All the people who are criticizing and appalled are coming from a place of traditional American values which this completely goes against. Famous Hollywood buddies of heath ledger gave enormous amounts to his family, but it was supposed to be shameful to not be in this position and the shame was due to the overall opportunity available freely in this country. The fact that it wasn't friends of the family who canvassed around the wealthy milieu in which they existed but an open begging site and the fact that such a site is needed signals a huge shift in the cultural and economic fabric of the United States. the older culture of the country used to be that families and neighbors would mobilize to help a family like this while protecting their dignity and we have completely lost that part of our "Christian" character. this really should be a conversation about medical care and how it is paid for and I am someone who is appalled by the begging aspect and poor management but also have sympathy - it is tragic and very difficult. [/quote] In the older culture, people also lived more modestly so less financial help was “needed.” |
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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I just wish that people would connect the dots that [b]medical bankruptcy[/b] is a real thing and happens to lots of Americans every day. I am too jaded to think this will open a broader conversation about national health insurance or safety nets. Or that that the people who donate to James Van der Beek would also open their hearts to an unnamed destitute family in their own communities. [/quote]
Except he had a multimillion dollar home in LA which he redesigned a few years ago (so he had money for that) and I think he rents out for $12,000/month and he has this property in TX. If you'd said he is house poor, I'd get it. If you're saying he suffered from a medical bankruptcy, then I don't think you understand what bankrupt means.[/quote] When did he redesign it? You don’t know if he paid for the renovations with cash or a HELOC. That rental income might be their only source of income. Who knows what the mortgage is, property taxes and maintenance cost. He set his family up with one known source of passive income. If you don’t think their situation warrants a donation or it’s not within your means to do so, don’t give. I didn’t donate but I don’t have a problem with them asking. I am of the mindset that they [b]wouldn’t have asked if it wasn’t necessary[/b]. His wife is facing the reality of raising six kids alone. They have publicly stated that they used most of their money to pay for James care. I believe them. Maybe she will ultimately downsize. Maybe she’s trying to get through this awful loss before she focuses on uprooting her kids. Also, it’s a big house in terms of square footage, but it’s five beds and three baths. That’s not exactly an unreasonable amount of space for six kids. As it is all the kids probably share a bathroom which sounds uncomfortable.[/quote] The home was resigned around 2020, well after he knew he got no residuals. Who redesigns a home when you are without regular income coming in? When you don’t har enough saved for the future? If the $12k rental income is the only income coming in, you’re stupid to go and lease an expansive place. One that is 5200 sq feet for the main house alone, on 36 acres, guest cabins and a pool for $5 million - yeah, that’s unreasonable. The bolded is so crazy…we have no idea what the downpayment was that he put on the property, no idea how much debt remains on it, but a 36 acre property is not a necessity by any stretch of the imagination and a property of that size is an unreasonable expectation…if you’re asking other to fund these decisions.[/quote] I agree that the ranch is large and probably not practical. They must not want to immediately uproot the kids and I’m sure it’s devastating for them to have to leave the last place they lived with their father, in the life they felt suited them. In any event, we don’t know the specifics. All we know is that a good person and father of six died and his family is not in a great financial situation. Help or don’t. [/quote] I think this is what it comes down to as well. But it is HUGE cultural shift that people of this class are comfortable basically begging for money publicly. All the people who are criticizing and appalled are coming from a place of traditional American values which this completely goes against. Famous Hollywood buddies of heath ledger gave enormous amounts to his family, but it was supposed to be shameful to not be in this position and the shame was due to the overall opportunity available freely in this country. The fact that it wasn't friends of the family who canvassed around the wealthy milieu in which they existed but an open begging site and the fact that such a site is needed signals a huge shift in the cultural and economic fabric of the United States. the older culture of the country used to be that families and neighbors would mobilize to help a family like this while protecting their dignity and we have completely lost that part of our "Christian" character. this really should be a conversation about medical care and how it is paid for and I am someone who is appalled by the begging aspect and poor management but also have sympathy - it is tragic and very difficult. [/quote] In the older culture, people also lived more modestly so less financial help was “needed.”[/quote] Has she ever had a steady job? Did he try to get a steady job outside the industry? That’s typically what people do when they have kids and need money. |
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Fixing the broken quotes because the formatting was terrible. |
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His 2010 divorce documents showed him still receiving ~$49,000/month in income.
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