FCPS Boundary Review - New Maps

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Anonymous wrote:FairFACTS Matters posted tonight that they’d met with Region 5 representatives on the BRAC who agreed to withdraw their (already DOA) proposal to move Forestville to Herndon but the explanation for why the recommendation was made in the first place was unclear.

Reading between the lines it sounded like someone from Marshall who was upset about the Thru Consulting proposal to move some kids who can walk to a Region 5 school to another school somehow concluded it had something to do with overcrowding at Langley, but it wasn’t spelled out. It really makes you think that Thru has withheld so much requested information from the BRAC members that some end up drawing really odd inferences on their own. This process is so, so flawed.

EXCUSE ME, why does "just a Facebook group" have this much influence? PP is saying, "oh they're just a Facebook group" but here they are negotiating with members of the BRAC to change their opinion on things. Would "just a Facebook group" really be able to do this? NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.

Yeah, God forbid they meet with some people on the BRAC who clearly were misinformed about non-existent overcrowding at Langley, which they'd mistakenly concluded had something to do with a ill-conceived boundary change affecting a Region 5 school (likely Marshall), educate them on the facts, and mutually agree that a prior BRAC proposal should be withdrawn. Sounds like a real horror show (/s).

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YOU are missing the point. You can't claim they're just a Facebook group when they're meeting with BRAC members and convincing them change their proposals. Which one is it? Influential group of people or just a random Facebook group?

I haven't made any such claim.

FairFACTS Matters has a 501(c)(4) organization, the FairFACTS Matters Foundation, that engages in advocacy relating to potential boundary changes. That organization is based in DC. Only a handful of people appear to have any formal role with this foundation.

Separately, FairFACTS Matters has a Facebook page with over 2000 "members" and three administrators. It allows the members of that FB page to post in their individual capacity, and some of the administrators of that page also post on the page occasionally under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker.

Someone posting under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker referred to "members of our group" meeting recently with Region 5 BRAC members. They might like to create the impression that they are representing over 2000 people who subscribe to their Facebook page when they meet with others, but that's not the case. The members of the FB page are mostly just following what the administrators post or occasionally responding to what other members post, but they don't necessarily agree with the views of the administrators.

In this recent instance, there's certainly nothing wrong about the administrators of the group, who are well informed about boundary issues (particularly if they relate to the Langley pyramid), meeting with some BRAC members who clearly appear to have been under the false impression that overcrowding at Langley (the school isn't overcrowded) was somehow related to a Thru Consulting proposal to move kids who lived within walking distance of one school (possibly Marshall) to a different school (possibly McLean). If getting together educated those Region 5 BRAC members, and led them to conclude their earlier recommendation was based on a misunderstanding of the facts, it's hard to see why anyone should complain.

THE BOLDED PART is what I find really awful and misleading about these people. They really need to stop claiming that they represent the 2000 people in their Facebook Group. And it's the main reason I refuse to join their Facebook group. They have somehow convinced the school board that what they say is coming from their 2000 "Members". I hope Gatehouse and someone from the school board is reading this and can shut that shit down. There is absolutely no reason that this "foundation" should have a seat on the BRAC. NONE.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone from Great Falls just posted this on Nextdoor:

"Active Duty/Retired Navy in Fairfax County. $150M USS Saudi Academy to set sail on Thursday with no inspection, no punch list, no sea trial.
Neighbors, I have been trying to seek those concerned with the fact that on Thursday a $150M check of our taxpayer dollars from Fairfax County Public Schools will go to Saudi Arabia for a building in Herndon that has had no engineering inspection, punch list or ops manual developed for educational capability. What would Adm. Rickover think of this? We do not even know if all the sinks, toilets and showers operate or if the Olympic size swimming pool needs to be drained and replastered for $1M. Yet your county leaders (Fairfax County Scool Board) has authorizef buying, with your dollars, this pig in a poke. Tomorrow is the last day to contact your school board members to request a delay in purchase until these fundamental inspections have taken place and are documented."

The responses so far on Next Door are not very sympathetic to her complaints.

I wonder if she realizes that FCPS upped Langley’s expansion back in 2018 by several hundred seats over what had previously been disclosed to county residents in prior CIPs.

At the time Langley parents said that was a smart decision, but some of them sure are agitated over this purchase that will benefit kids in a different part of the county.

Well, I don't care what they do with Forestville, but, since I live in KAA area, I kind of resent the Great Falls people and all their negative comments about the purchase that is so badly needed by this community.

I do not understand why they are so against this. Their new association has strongly objected to it and so has FairFacts matters from what I can tell. THRU made lots of disturbing recommendations about this area and KAA is a wonderful solution to prevent long distant commutes.

We’ve already gone over this ad naseaum , fairfacts matters has taken no position on the new school purchase and it is not a great falls organization.

You shouldn’t lie - it really hurts your credibility.

Well, one of their official reps on BRAC have posted lengthy statements on Nextdoor about this and listed all sorts of objections.
So, who does speak for FairFACTS? Not the person who represents them?

Maybe, your credibility is at risk. I don't lie.

DP. The PP is correct - you are lying. The objections are about the lack of transparency re: the PURCHASE of KAA - not about the school itself. And you know this. No one is begrudging a school to an area of the county that clearly needs it. But once again, you twist any questions about transparency into "They're trying to kill this school!!!" Stop lying.

She literally is telling people to contact their school board reps to delay the purchase.

At least be honest here.
"contact your school board members to request a delay in purchase until these fundamental inspections have taken place and are documented."
Why are you dead set against all of this being documented and made available to the public? How on earth would you know that these inspections have been done? You don't.

DP but she's a complete idiot if she thinks that inspections haven't been completed. Of course they have. Do you think someone at Gatehouse just happened to see KAA was for sale and was like "hey guys, put an offer in!" and the school board put an offer in and then has spent the past month just waiting until they can write a check and hand it over? That's how the process worked, is it?

So dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Great Falls Mama/Granny, a school board member just said:

"Purchasing a beautiful school complex: FCPS is in the process of procuring the former King Abdullah Academy property near Dulles to serve as our newest western high school. The property will undergo minimal renovations over the coming year with plans to determine curricular programming decisions in the coming months and open the campus in the 2026-27 school year."

So, lady you are SOL. Not the standardized test kind of SOL, LOL!

Not a Great Falls poster, but the bolded portion of McElveen's comment certainly leaves open the possibility this school is going to be some type of non-traditional or magnet school. That can't make those who are counting on KAA being converted to a neighborhood school happy. He does call it "our newest western high school," but that can be read to merely refer to the school's location.

DP. I really don't believe this is going to be a magnet school of any kind. The pushback they would get would be tremendous. He probably just means whether it will be an AP or IB school.

That seems unlikely to me, because the plan is to open the school in the fall of 2026 and there's a lengthy process to get IBO approval of a new IB diploma school.

I suspect they will absolutely discuss the possibility of making it a magnet school, but they will definitely decide against it.

Y'all still don't understand how the FCPS board works?

They already knew the answer. They probably decided this would be a community school but haven’t announced it yet and will still go through the motions.

My impression is that the board delayed discussing the acquisition until the last minute (I believe tomorrow is the actual sale date) to avoid early discussions about the school and potential criticism over 'transparency.'

Ryan McElveen stated that the property will serve as our newest western high school. That’s what they intend to do, and that’s what will happen.

It’s a truism that it will be a western HS because it’s located in western Fairfax. That doesn’t mean it will only serve kids in that area. Maybe it will, but it may depend on their figuring out how many kids it can actually accommodate. A former KAA teacher has noted it was designed with a lot of administrative offices and also open spaces, so they could end up spending a lot of additional money if they really want to have a local HS for over 2000 kids.

It cracks me up when people suggest FCPS had this all figured out when they announced the agreement in principle to buy this building. It very much came across as an impulse purchase with many of the details to be worked out later.

Oh, so you DO think that's what happened, LOL!

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Anonymous wrote:Someone from Great Falls just posted this on Nextdoor:

"Active Duty/Retired Navy in Fairfax County. $150M USS Saudi Academy to set sail on Thursday with no inspection, no punch list, no sea trial.
Neighbors, I have been trying to seek those concerned with the fact that on Thursday a $150M check of our taxpayer dollars from Fairfax County Public Schools will go to Saudi Arabia for a building in Herndon that has had no engineering inspection, punch list or ops manual developed for educational capability. What would Adm. Rickover think of this? We do not even know if all the sinks, toilets and showers operate or if the Olympic size swimming pool needs to be drained and replastered for $1M. Yet your county leaders (Fairfax County Scool Board) has authorizef buying, with your dollars, this pig in a poke. Tomorrow is the last day to contact your school board members to request a delay in purchase until these fundamental inspections have taken place and are documented."

The responses so far on Next Door are not very sympathetic to her complaints.

I wonder if she realizes that FCPS upped Langley’s expansion back in 2018 by several hundred seats over what had previously been disclosed to county residents in prior CIPs.

At the time Langley parents said that was a smart decision, but some of them sure are agitated over this purchase that will benefit kids in a different part of the county.

Well, I don't care what they do with Forestville, but, since I live in KAA area, I kind of resent the Great Falls people and all their negative comments about the purchase that is so badly needed by this community.

I do not understand why they are so against this. Their new association has strongly objected to it and so has FairFacts matters from what I can tell. THRU made lots of disturbing recommendations about this area and KAA is a wonderful solution to prevent long distant commutes.

We’ve already gone over this ad naseaum , fairfacts matters has taken no position on the new school purchase and it is not a great falls organization.

You shouldn’t lie - it really hurts your credibility.

Well, one of their official reps on BRAC have posted lengthy statements on Nextdoor about this and listed all sorts of objections.
So, who does speak for FairFACTS? Not the person who represents them?

Maybe, your credibility is at risk. I don't lie.

DP. The PP is correct - you are lying. The objections are about the lack of transparency re: the PURCHASE of KAA - not about the school itself. And you know this. No one is begrudging a school to an area of the county that clearly needs it. But once again, you twist any questions about transparency into "They're trying to kill this school!!!" Stop lying.

She literally is telling people to contact their school board reps to delay the purchase.

At least be honest here.
"contact your school board members to request a delay in purchase until these fundamental inspections have taken place and are documented."
Why are you dead set against all of this being documented and made available to the public? How on earth would you know that these inspections have been done? You don't.

DP but she's a complete idiot if she thinks that inspections haven't been completed. Of course they have. Do you think someone at Gatehouse just happened to see KAA was for sale and was like "hey guys, put an offer in!" and the school board put an offer in and then has spent the past month just waiting until they can write a check and hand it over? That's how the process worked, is it?

So dumb.

I don’t know, the way these guys operate, I kinda feel like you just laid out the process to-date.

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Anonymous wrote:FairFACTS Matters posted tonight that they’d met with Region 5 representatives on the BRAC who agreed to withdraw their (already DOA) proposal to move Forestville to Herndon but the explanation for why the recommendation was made in the first place was unclear.

Reading between the lines it sounded like someone from Marshall who was upset about the Thru Consulting proposal to move some kids who can walk to a Region 5 school to another school somehow concluded it had something to do with overcrowding at Langley, but it wasn’t spelled out. It really makes you think that Thru has withheld so much requested information from the BRAC members that some end up drawing really odd inferences on their own. This process is so, so flawed.

EXCUSE ME, why does "just a Facebook group" have this much influence? PP is saying, "oh they're just a Facebook group" but here they are negotiating with members of the BRAC to change their opinion on things. Would "just a Facebook group" really be able to do this? NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.

Yeah, God forbid they meet with some people on the BRAC who clearly were misinformed about non-existent overcrowding at Langley, which they'd mistakenly concluded had something to do with a ill-conceived boundary change affecting a Region 5 school (likely Marshall), educate them on the facts, and mutually agree that a prior BRAC proposal should be withdrawn. Sounds like a real horror show (/s).

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YOU are missing the point. You can't claim they're just a Facebook group when they're meeting with BRAC members and convincing them change their proposals. Which one is it? Influential group of people or just a random Facebook group?

I haven't made any such claim.

FairFACTS Matters has a 501(c)(4) organization, the FairFACTS Matters Foundation, that engages in advocacy relating to potential boundary changes. That organization is based in DC. Only a handful of people appear to have any formal role with this foundation.

Separately, FairFACTS Matters has a Facebook page with over 2000 "members" and three administrators. It allows the members of that FB page to post in their individual capacity, and some of the administrators of that page also post on the page occasionally under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker.

Someone posting under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker referred to "members of our group" meeting recently with Region 5 BRAC members. They might like to create the impression that they are representing over 2000 people who subscribe to their Facebook page when they meet with others, but that's not the case. The members of the FB page are mostly just following what the administrators post or occasionally responding to what other members post, but they don't necessarily agree with the views of the administrators.

In this recent instance, there's certainly nothing wrong about the administrators of the group, who are well informed about boundary issues (particularly if they relate to the Langley pyramid), meeting with some BRAC members who clearly appear to have been under the false impression that overcrowding at Langley (the school isn't overcrowded) was somehow related to a Thru Consulting proposal to move kids who lived within walking distance of one school (possibly Marshall) to a different school (possibly McLean). If getting together educated those Region 5 BRAC members, and led them to conclude their earlier recommendation was based on a misunderstanding of the facts, it's hard to see why anyone should complain.

THE BOLDED PART is what I find really awful and misleading about these people. They really need to stop claiming that they represent the 2000 people in their Facebook Group. And it's the main reason I refuse to join their Facebook group. They have somehow convinced the school board that what they say is coming from their 2000 "Members". I hope Gatehouse and someone from the school board is reading this and can shut that shit down. There is absolutely no reason that this "foundation" should have a seat on the BRAC. NONE.

Meh. They didn’t get seats because the SB was under the misimpression that all 2000+ members of the FB page thought alike. It was because Reid had already hand-picked plenty of other “friendly” members for the BRAC from groups like Fairfax Pride, the Fairfax NAACP, and the Neurodivergent Liberation Committee, and they were concerned about the review getting challenged and halted in its tracks if it did not offer a group with a different perspective representation.

And you know what? The FairFACTS Matters reps regularly try to update people on what’s going on with the BRAC. I haven’t seen that from the reps from other groups.

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Anonymous wrote:BRAC meetings on Aug 5th and Sept for latest maps

Updates on new changes

What were the top 3 BRAC priorities by Region and when will the new maps be out?

This thread is off topic. What are the top priorities and when do the maps get shared publicly?

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Anonymous wrote:BRAC meetings on Aug 5th and Sept for latest maps

Updates on new changes

What were the top 3 BRAC priorities by Region and when will the new maps be out?

What are the top priorities and when do the maps get shared publicly?

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Anonymous wrote:FairFACTS Matters posted tonight that they’d met with Region 5 representatives on the BRAC who agreed to withdraw their (already DOA) proposal to move Forestville to Herndon but the explanation for why the recommendation was made in the first place was unclear.

Reading between the lines it sounded like someone from Marshall who was upset about the Thru Consulting proposal to move some kids who can walk to a Region 5 school to another school somehow concluded it had something to do with overcrowding at Langley, but it wasn’t spelled out. It really makes you think that Thru has withheld so much requested information from the BRAC members that some end up drawing really odd inferences on their own. This process is so, so flawed.

EXCUSE ME, why does "just a Facebook group" have this much influence? PP is saying, "oh they're just a Facebook group" but here they are negotiating with members of the BRAC to change their opinion on things. Would "just a Facebook group" really be able to do this? NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.

Yeah, God forbid they meet with some people on the BRAC who clearly were misinformed about non-existent overcrowding at Langley, which they'd mistakenly concluded had something to do with a ill-conceived boundary change affecting a Region 5 school (likely Marshall), educate them on the facts, and mutually agree that a prior BRAC proposal should be withdrawn. Sounds like a real horror show (/s).

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YOU are missing the point. You can't claim they're just a Facebook group when they're meeting with BRAC members and convincing them change their proposals. Which one is it? Influential group of people or just a random Facebook group?

I haven't made any such claim.

FairFACTS Matters has a 501(c)(4) organization, the FairFACTS Matters Foundation, that engages in advocacy relating to potential boundary changes. That organization is based in DC. Only a handful of people appear to have any formal role with this foundation.

Separately, FairFACTS Matters has a Facebook page with over 2000 "members" and three administrators. It allows the members of that FB page to post in their individual capacity, and some of the administrators of that page also post on the page occasionally under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker.

Someone posting under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker referred to "members of our group" meeting recently with Region 5 BRAC members. They might like to create the impression that they are representing over 2000 people who subscribe to their Facebook page when they meet with others, but that's not the case. The members of the FB page are mostly just following what the administrators post or occasionally responding to what other members post, but they don't necessarily agree with the views of the administrators.

In this recent instance, there's certainly nothing wrong about the administrators of the group, who are well informed about boundary issues (particularly if they relate to the Langley pyramid), meeting with some BRAC members who clearly appear to have been under the false impression that overcrowding at Langley (the school isn't overcrowded) was somehow related to a Thru Consulting proposal to move kids who lived within walking distance of one school (possibly Marshall) to a different school (possibly McLean). If getting together educated those Region 5 BRAC members, and led them to conclude their earlier recommendation was based on a misunderstanding of the facts, it's hard to see why anyone should complain.

THE BOLDED PART is what I find really awful and misleading about these people. They really need to stop claiming that they represent the 2000 people in their Facebook Group. And it's the main reason I refuse to join their Facebook group. They have somehow convinced the school board that what they say is coming from their 2000 "Members". I hope Gatehouse and someone from the school board is reading this and can shut that shit down. There is absolutely no reason that this "foundation" should have a seat on the BRAC. NONE.

Meh. They didn’t get seats because the SB was under the misimpression that all 2000+ members of the FB page thought alike. It was because Reid had already hand-picked plenty of other “friendly” members for the BRAC from groups like Fairfax Pride, the Fairfax NAACP, and the Neurodivergent Liberation Committee, and they were concerned about the review getting challenged and halted in its tracks if it did not offer a group with a different perspective representation.

And you know what? The FairFACTS Matters reps regularly try to update people on what’s going on with the BRAC. I haven’t seen that from the reps from other groups.

The only update I have seen from them is their concern about the Region 5 priorities. That is the ONLY priority that I have seen shared. There could be similar confusion within some Region priorities. Seems like they would at least share Region 1 priorities.

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Anonymous wrote:FairFACTS Matters posted tonight that they’d met with Region 5 representatives on the BRAC who agreed to withdraw their (already DOA) proposal to move Forestville to Herndon but the explanation for why the recommendation was made in the first place was unclear.

Reading between the lines it sounded like someone from Marshall who was upset about the Thru Consulting proposal to move some kids who can walk to a Region 5 school to another school somehow concluded it had something to do with overcrowding at Langley, but it wasn’t spelled out. It really makes you think that Thru has withheld so much requested information from the BRAC members that some end up drawing really odd inferences on their own. This process is so, so flawed.

EXCUSE ME, why does "just a Facebook group" have this much influence? PP is saying, "oh they're just a Facebook group" but here they are negotiating with members of the BRAC to change their opinion on things. Would "just a Facebook group" really be able to do this? NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.

Yeah, God forbid they meet with some people on the BRAC who clearly were misinformed about non-existent overcrowding at Langley, which they'd mistakenly concluded had something to do with a ill-conceived boundary change affecting a Region 5 school (likely Marshall), educate them on the facts, and mutually agree that a prior BRAC proposal should be withdrawn. Sounds like a real horror show (/s).

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YOU are missing the point. You can't claim they're just a Facebook group when they're meeting with BRAC members and convincing them change their proposals. Which one is it? Influential group of people or just a random Facebook group?

I haven't made any such claim.

FairFACTS Matters has a 501(c)(4) organization, the FairFACTS Matters Foundation, that engages in advocacy relating to potential boundary changes. That organization is based in DC. Only a handful of people appear to have any formal role with this foundation.

Separately, FairFACTS Matters has a Facebook page with over 2000 "members" and three administrators. It allows the members of that FB page to post in their individual capacity, and some of the administrators of that page also post on the page occasionally under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker.

Someone posting under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker referred to "members of our group" meeting recently with Region 5 BRAC members. They might like to create the impression that they are representing over 2000 people who subscribe to their Facebook page when they meet with others, but that's not the case. The members of the FB page are mostly just following what the administrators post or occasionally responding to what other members post, but they don't necessarily agree with the views of the administrators.

In this recent instance, there's certainly nothing wrong about the administrators of the group, who are well informed about boundary issues (particularly if they relate to the Langley pyramid), meeting with some BRAC members who clearly appear to have been under the false impression that overcrowding at Langley (the school isn't overcrowded) was somehow related to a Thru Consulting proposal to move kids who lived within walking distance of one school (possibly Marshall) to a different school (possibly McLean). If getting together educated those Region 5 BRAC members, and led them to conclude their earlier recommendation was based on a misunderstanding of the facts, it's hard to see why anyone should complain.

THE BOLDED PART is what I find really awful and misleading about these people. They really need to stop claiming that they represent the 2000 people in their Facebook Group. And it's the main reason I refuse to join their Facebook group. They have somehow convinced the school board that what they say is coming from their 2000 "Members". I hope Gatehouse and someone from the school board is reading this and can shut that shit down. There is absolutely no reason that this "foundation" should have a seat on the BRAC. NONE.

Meh. They didn’t get seats because the SB was under the misimpression that all 2000+ members of the FB page thought alike. It was because Reid had already hand-picked plenty of other “friendly” members for the BRAC from groups like Fairfax Pride, the Fairfax NAACP, and the Neurodivergent Liberation Committee, and they were concerned about the review getting challenged and halted in its tracks if it did not offer a group with a different perspective representation.

And you know what? The FairFACTS Matters reps regularly try to update people on what’s going on with the BRAC. I haven’t seen that from the reps from other groups.

The only update I have seen from them is their concern about the Region 5 priorities. That is the ONLY priority that I have seen shared. There could be similar confusion within some Region priorities. Seems like they would at least share Region 1 priorities.

If you followed their FB page, which apparently you do not, you’d know they have argued that FCPS should publish the 10 priorities submitted by the BRAC members for each region.

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Anonymous wrote:FairFACTS Matters posted tonight that they’d met with Region 5 representatives on the BRAC who agreed to withdraw their (already DOA) proposal to move Forestville to Herndon but the explanation for why the recommendation was made in the first place was unclear.

Reading between the lines it sounded like someone from Marshall who was upset about the Thru Consulting proposal to move some kids who can walk to a Region 5 school to another school somehow concluded it had something to do with overcrowding at Langley, but it wasn’t spelled out. It really makes you think that Thru has withheld so much requested information from the BRAC members that some end up drawing really odd inferences on their own. This process is so, so flawed.

EXCUSE ME, why does "just a Facebook group" have this much influence? PP is saying, "oh they're just a Facebook group" but here they are negotiating with members of the BRAC to change their opinion on things. Would "just a Facebook group" really be able to do this? NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.

Yeah, God forbid they meet with some people on the BRAC who clearly were misinformed about non-existent overcrowding at Langley, which they'd mistakenly concluded had something to do with a ill-conceived boundary change affecting a Region 5 school (likely Marshall), educate them on the facts, and mutually agree that a prior BRAC proposal should be withdrawn. Sounds like a real horror show (/s).

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YOU are missing the point. You can't claim they're just a Facebook group when they're meeting with BRAC members and convincing them change their proposals. Which one is it? Influential group of people or just a random Facebook group?

I haven't made any such claim.

FairFACTS Matters has a 501(c)(4) organization, the FairFACTS Matters Foundation, that engages in advocacy relating to potential boundary changes. That organization is based in DC. Only a handful of people appear to have any formal role with this foundation.

Separately, FairFACTS Matters has a Facebook page with over 2000 "members" and three administrators. It allows the members of that FB page to post in their individual capacity, and some of the administrators of that page also post on the page occasionally under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker.

Someone posting under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker referred to "members of our group" meeting recently with Region 5 BRAC members. They might like to create the impression that they are representing over 2000 people who subscribe to their Facebook page when they meet with others, but that's not the case. The members of the FB page are mostly just following what the administrators post or occasionally responding to what other members post, but they don't necessarily agree with the views of the administrators.

In this recent instance, there's certainly nothing wrong about the administrators of the group, who are well informed about boundary issues (particularly if they relate to the Langley pyramid), meeting with some BRAC members who clearly appear to have been under the false impression that overcrowding at Langley (the school isn't overcrowded) was somehow related to a Thru Consulting proposal to move kids who lived within walking distance of one school (possibly Marshall) to a different school (possibly McLean). If getting together educated those Region 5 BRAC members, and led them to conclude their earlier recommendation was based on a misunderstanding of the facts, it's hard to see why anyone should complain.

THE BOLDED PART is what I find really awful and misleading about these people. They really need to stop claiming that they represent the 2000 people in their Facebook Group. And it's the main reason I refuse to join their Facebook group. They have somehow convinced the school board that what they say is coming from their 2000 "Members". I hope Gatehouse and someone from the school board is reading this and can shut that shit down. There is absolutely no reason that this "foundation" should have a seat on the BRAC. NONE.

Meh. They didn’t get seats because the SB was under the misimpression that all 2000+ members of the FB page thought alike. It was because Reid had already hand-picked plenty of other “friendly” members for the BRAC from groups like Fairfax Pride, the Fairfax NAACP, and the Neurodivergent Liberation Committee, and they were concerned about the review getting challenged and halted in its tracks if it did not offer a group with a different perspective representation.

And you know what? The FairFACTS Matters reps regularly try to update people on what’s going on with the BRAC. I haven’t seen that from the reps from other groups.

The only update I have seen from them is their concern about the Region 5 priorities. That is the ONLY priority that I have seen shared. There could be similar confusion within some Region priorities. Seems like they would at least share Region 1 priorities.

DP. You clearly haven’t been paying attention then. They have started posting summaries after each meeting.

Again, we all get your agenda here, but man you keep coming up empty - you have to close your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears a lot to even attempt to make your shoddy arguments work.

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Anonymous wrote:FairFACTS Matters posted tonight that they’d met with Region 5 representatives on the BRAC who agreed to withdraw their (already DOA) proposal to move Forestville to Herndon but the explanation for why the recommendation was made in the first place was unclear.

Reading between the lines it sounded like someone from Marshall who was upset about the Thru Consulting proposal to move some kids who can walk to a Region 5 school to another school somehow concluded it had something to do with overcrowding at Langley, but it wasn’t spelled out. It really makes you think that Thru has withheld so much requested information from the BRAC members that some end up drawing really odd inferences on their own. This process is so, so flawed.

EXCUSE ME, why does "just a Facebook group" have this much influence? PP is saying, "oh they're just a Facebook group" but here they are negotiating with members of the BRAC to change their opinion on things. Would "just a Facebook group" really be able to do this? NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.

Yeah, God forbid they meet with some people on the BRAC who clearly were misinformed about non-existent overcrowding at Langley, which they'd mistakenly concluded had something to do with a ill-conceived boundary change affecting a Region 5 school (likely Marshall), educate them on the facts, and mutually agree that a prior BRAC proposal should be withdrawn. Sounds like a real horror show (/s).

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YOU are missing the point. You can't claim they're just a Facebook group when they're meeting with BRAC members and convincing them change their proposals. Which one is it? Influential group of people or just a random Facebook group?

I haven't made any such claim.

FairFACTS Matters has a 501(c)(4) organization, the FairFACTS Matters Foundation, that engages in advocacy relating to potential boundary changes. That organization is based in DC. Only a handful of people appear to have any formal role with this foundation.

Separately, FairFACTS Matters has a Facebook page with over 2000 "members" and three administrators. It allows the members of that FB page to post in their individual capacity, and some of the administrators of that page also post on the page occasionally under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker.

Someone posting under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker referred to "members of our group" meeting recently with Region 5 BRAC members. They might like to create the impression that they are representing over 2000 people who subscribe to their Facebook page when they meet with others, but that's not the case. The members of the FB page are mostly just following what the administrators post or occasionally responding to what other members post, but they don't necessarily agree with the views of the administrators.

In this recent instance, there's certainly nothing wrong about the administrators of the group, who are well informed about boundary issues (particularly if they relate to the Langley pyramid), meeting with some BRAC members who clearly appear to have been under the false impression that overcrowding at Langley (the school isn't overcrowded) was somehow related to a Thru Consulting proposal to move kids who lived within walking distance of one school (possibly Marshall) to a different school (possibly McLean). If getting together educated those Region 5 BRAC members, and led them to conclude their earlier recommendation was based on a misunderstanding of the facts, it's hard to see why anyone should complain.

THE BOLDED PART is what I find really awful and misleading about these people. They really need to stop claiming that they represent the 2000 people in their Facebook Group. And it's the main reason I refuse to join their Facebook group. They have somehow convinced the school board that what they say is coming from their 2000 "Members". I hope Gatehouse and someone from the school board is reading this and can shut that shit down. There is absolutely no reason that this "foundation" should have a seat on the BRAC. NONE.

Meh. They didn’t get seats because the SB was under the misimpression that all 2000+ members of the FB page thought alike. It was because Reid had already hand-picked plenty of other “friendly” members for the BRAC from groups like Fairfax Pride, the Fairfax NAACP, and the Neurodivergent Liberation Committee, and they were concerned about the review getting challenged and halted in its tracks if it did not offer a group with a different perspective representation.

And you know what? The FairFACTS Matters reps regularly try to update people on what’s going on with the BRAC. I haven’t seen that from the reps from other groups.

The only update I have seen from them is their concern about the Region 5 priorities. That is the ONLY priority that I have seen shared. There could be similar confusion within some Region priorities. Seems like they would at least share Region 1 priorities.

If you followed their FB page, which apparently you do not, you’d know they have argued that FCPS should publish the 10 priorities submitted by the BRAC members for each region.

Well, if they could share the Region 1 priority, they could share others. They knew that priority, they also know others. Seems like they could at least share Region 1 since at least one BRAC member on Fairfacts is ont he committee.

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Anonymous wrote:FairFACTS Matters posted tonight that they’d met with Region 5 representatives on the BRAC who agreed to withdraw their (already DOA) proposal to move Forestville to Herndon but the explanation for why the recommendation was made in the first place was unclear.

Reading between the lines it sounded like someone from Marshall who was upset about the Thru Consulting proposal to move some kids who can walk to a Region 5 school to another school somehow concluded it had something to do with overcrowding at Langley, but it wasn’t spelled out. It really makes you think that Thru has withheld so much requested information from the BRAC members that some end up drawing really odd inferences on their own. This process is so, so flawed.

EXCUSE ME, why does "just a Facebook group" have this much influence? PP is saying, "oh they're just a Facebook group" but here they are negotiating with members of the BRAC to change their opinion on things. Would "just a Facebook group" really be able to do this? NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.

Yeah, God forbid they meet with some people on the BRAC who clearly were misinformed about non-existent overcrowding at Langley, which they'd mistakenly concluded had something to do with a ill-conceived boundary change affecting a Region 5 school (likely Marshall), educate them on the facts, and mutually agree that a prior BRAC proposal should be withdrawn. Sounds like a real horror show (/s).

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YOU are missing the point. You can't claim they're just a Facebook group when they're meeting with BRAC members and convincing them change their proposals. Which one is it? Influential group of people or just a random Facebook group?

I haven't made any such claim.

FairFACTS Matters has a 501(c)(4) organization, the FairFACTS Matters Foundation, that engages in advocacy relating to potential boundary changes. That organization is based in DC. Only a handful of people appear to have any formal role with this foundation.

Separately, FairFACTS Matters has a Facebook page with over 2000 "members" and three administrators. It allows the members of that FB page to post in their individual capacity, and some of the administrators of that page also post on the page occasionally under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker.

Someone posting under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker referred to "members of our group" meeting recently with Region 5 BRAC members. They might like to create the impression that they are representing over 2000 people who subscribe to their Facebook page when they meet with others, but that's not the case. The members of the FB page are mostly just following what the administrators post or occasionally responding to what other members post, but they don't necessarily agree with the views of the administrators.

In this recent instance, there's certainly nothing wrong about the administrators of the group, who are well informed about boundary issues (particularly if they relate to the Langley pyramid), meeting with some BRAC members who clearly appear to have been under the false impression that overcrowding at Langley (the school isn't overcrowded) was somehow related to a Thru Consulting proposal to move kids who lived within walking distance of one school (possibly Marshall) to a different school (possibly McLean). If getting together educated those Region 5 BRAC members, and led them to conclude their earlier recommendation was based on a misunderstanding of the facts, it's hard to see why anyone should complain.

THE BOLDED PART is what I find really awful and misleading about these people. They really need to stop claiming that they represent the 2000 people in their Facebook Group. And it's the main reason I refuse to join their Facebook group. They have somehow convinced the school board that what they say is coming from their 2000 "Members". I hope Gatehouse and someone from the school board is reading this and can shut that shit down. There is absolutely no reason that this "foundation" should have a seat on the BRAC. NONE.

Meh. They didn’t get seats because the SB was under the misimpression that all 2000+ members of the FB page thought alike. It was because Reid had already hand-picked plenty of other “friendly” members for the BRAC from groups like Fairfax Pride, the Fairfax NAACP, and the Neurodivergent Liberation Committee, and they were concerned about the review getting challenged and halted in its tracks if it did not offer a group with a different perspective representation.

And you know what? The FairFACTS Matters reps regularly try to update people on what’s going on with the BRAC. I haven’t seen that from the reps from other groups.

The only update I have seen from them is their concern about the Region 5 priorities. That is the ONLY priority that I have seen shared. There could be similar confusion within some Region priorities. Seems like they would at least share Region 1 priorities.

If you followed their FB page, which apparently you do not, you’d know they have argued that FCPS should publish the 10 priorities submitted by the BRAC members for each region.

Well, if they could share the Region 1 priority, they could share others. They knew that priority, they also know others. Seems like they could at least share Region 1 since at least one BRAC member on Fairfacts is ont he committee.

It’s unfortunate that you do not realize how whiny you sound.

The BRAC members for each region apparently met separately, developed at least 10 recommendations, and verbally reported their top 3 to the other members.

If we want a full and accurate reporting of the BRAC recommendations, it should come from Thru/FCPS, which got them in writing.

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Anonymous wrote:FairFACTS Matters posted tonight that they’d met with Region 5 representatives on the BRAC who agreed to withdraw their (already DOA) proposal to move Forestville to Herndon but the explanation for why the recommendation was made in the first place was unclear.

Reading between the lines it sounded like someone from Marshall who was upset about the Thru Consulting proposal to move some kids who can walk to a Region 5 school to another school somehow concluded it had something to do with overcrowding at Langley, but it wasn’t spelled out. It really makes you think that Thru has withheld so much requested information from the BRAC members that some end up drawing really odd inferences on their own. This process is so, so flawed.

EXCUSE ME, why does "just a Facebook group" have this much influence? PP is saying, "oh they're just a Facebook group" but here they are negotiating with members of the BRAC to change their opinion on things. Would "just a Facebook group" really be able to do this? NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.

Yeah, God forbid they meet with some people on the BRAC who clearly were misinformed about non-existent overcrowding at Langley, which they'd mistakenly concluded had something to do with a ill-conceived boundary change affecting a Region 5 school (likely Marshall), educate them on the facts, and mutually agree that a prior BRAC proposal should be withdrawn. Sounds like a real horror show (/s).

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YOU are missing the point. You can't claim they're just a Facebook group when they're meeting with BRAC members and convincing them change their proposals. Which one is it? Influential group of people or just a random Facebook group?

I haven't made any such claim.

FairFACTS Matters has a 501(c)(4) organization, the FairFACTS Matters Foundation, that engages in advocacy relating to potential boundary changes. That organization is based in DC. Only a handful of people appear to have any formal role with this foundation.

Separately, FairFACTS Matters has a Facebook page with over 2000 "members" and three administrators. It allows the members of that FB page to post in their individual capacity, and some of the administrators of that page also post on the page occasionally under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker.

Someone posting under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker referred to "members of our group" meeting recently with Region 5 BRAC members. They might like to create the impression that they are representing over 2000 people who subscribe to their Facebook page when they meet with others, but that's not the case. The members of the FB page are mostly just following what the administrators post or occasionally responding to what other members post, but they don't necessarily agree with the views of the administrators.

In this recent instance, there's certainly nothing wrong about the administrators of the group, who are well informed about boundary issues (particularly if they relate to the Langley pyramid), meeting with some BRAC members who clearly appear to have been under the false impression that overcrowding at Langley (the school isn't overcrowded) was somehow related to a Thru Consulting proposal to move kids who lived within walking distance of one school (possibly Marshall) to a different school (possibly McLean). If getting together educated those Region 5 BRAC members, and led them to conclude their earlier recommendation was based on a misunderstanding of the facts, it's hard to see why anyone should complain.

THE BOLDED PART is what I find really awful and misleading about these people. They really need to stop claiming that they represent the 2000 people in their Facebook Group. And it's the main reason I refuse to join their Facebook group. They have somehow convinced the school board that what they say is coming from their 2000 "Members". I hope Gatehouse and someone from the school board is reading this and can shut that shit down. There is absolutely no reason that this "foundation" should have a seat on the BRAC. NONE.

Meh. They didn’t get seats because the SB was under the misimpression that all 2000+ members of the FB page thought alike. It was because Reid had already hand-picked plenty of other “friendly” members for the BRAC from groups like Fairfax Pride, the Fairfax NAACP, and the Neurodivergent Liberation Committee, and they were concerned about the review getting challenged and halted in its tracks if it did not offer a group with a different perspective representation.

And you know what? The FairFACTS Matters reps regularly try to update people on what’s going on with the BRAC. I haven’t seen that from the reps from other groups.

The only update I have seen from them is their concern about the Region 5 priorities. That is the ONLY priority that I have seen shared. There could be similar confusion within some Region priorities. Seems like they would at least share Region 1 priorities.

If you followed their FB page, which apparently you do not, you’d know they have argued that FCPS should publish the 10 priorities submitted by the BRAC members for each region.

Well, if they could share the Region 1 priority, they could share others. They knew that priority, they also know others. Seems like they could at least share Region 1 since at least one BRAC member on Fairfacts is ont he committee.

It’s unfortunate that you do not realize how whiny you sound.

The BRAC members for each region apparently met separately, developed at least 10 recommendations, and verbally reported their top 3 to the other members.

If we want a full and accurate reporting of the BRAC recommendations, it should come from Thru/FCPS, which got them in writing.

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Anonymous wrote:FairFACTS Matters posted tonight that they’d met with Region 5 representatives on the BRAC who agreed to withdraw their (already DOA) proposal to move Forestville to Herndon but the explanation for why the recommendation was made in the first place was unclear.

Reading between the lines it sounded like someone from Marshall who was upset about the Thru Consulting proposal to move some kids who can walk to a Region 5 school to another school somehow concluded it had something to do with overcrowding at Langley, but it wasn’t spelled out. It really makes you think that Thru has withheld so much requested information from the BRAC members that some end up drawing really odd inferences on their own. This process is so, so flawed.

EXCUSE ME, why does "just a Facebook group" have this much influence? PP is saying, "oh they're just a Facebook group" but here they are negotiating with members of the BRAC to change their opinion on things. Would "just a Facebook group" really be able to do this? NOPE. NOPE. NOPE.

Yeah, God forbid they meet with some people on the BRAC who clearly were misinformed about non-existent overcrowding at Langley, which they'd mistakenly concluded had something to do with a ill-conceived boundary change affecting a Region 5 school (likely Marshall), educate them on the facts, and mutually agree that a prior BRAC proposal should be withdrawn. Sounds like a real horror show (/s).

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YOU are missing the point. You can't claim they're just a Facebook group when they're meeting with BRAC members and convincing them change their proposals. Which one is it? Influential group of people or just a random Facebook group?

I haven't made any such claim.

FairFACTS Matters has a 501(c)(4) organization, the FairFACTS Matters Foundation, that engages in advocacy relating to potential boundary changes. That organization is based in DC. Only a handful of people appear to have any formal role with this foundation.

Separately, FairFACTS Matters has a Facebook page with over 2000 "members" and three administrators. It allows the members of that FB page to post in their individual capacity, and some of the administrators of that page also post on the page occasionally under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker.

Someone posting under the "FairFACTS Matters" moniker referred to "members of our group" meeting recently with Region 5 BRAC members. They might like to create the impression that they are representing over 2000 people who subscribe to their Facebook page when they meet with others, but that's not the case. The members of the FB page are mostly just following what the administrators post or occasionally responding to what other members post, but they don't necessarily agree with the views of the administrators.

In this recent instance, there's certainly nothing wrong about the administrators of the group, who are well informed about boundary issues (particularly if they relate to the Langley pyramid), meeting with some BRAC members who clearly appear to have been under the false impression that overcrowding at Langley (the school isn't overcrowded) was somehow related to a Thru Consulting proposal to move kids who lived within walking distance of one school (possibly Marshall) to a different school (possibly McLean). If getting together educated those Region 5 BRAC members, and led them to conclude their earlier recommendation was based on a misunderstanding of the facts, it's hard to see why anyone should complain.

THE BOLDED PART is what I find really awful and misleading about these people. They really need to stop claiming that they represent the 2000 people in their Facebook Group. And it's the main reason I refuse to join their Facebook group. They have somehow convinced the school board that what they say is coming from their 2000 "Members". I hope Gatehouse and someone from the school board is reading this and can shut that shit down. There is absolutely no reason that this "foundation" should have a seat on the BRAC. NONE.

Meh. They didn’t get seats because the SB was under the misimpression that all 2000+ members of the FB page thought alike. It was because Reid had already hand-picked plenty of other “friendly” members for the BRAC from groups like Fairfax Pride, the Fairfax NAACP, and the Neurodivergent Liberation Committee, and they were concerned about the review getting challenged and halted in its tracks if it did not offer a group with a different perspective representation.

And you know what? The FairFACTS Matters reps regularly try to update people on what’s going on with the BRAC. I haven’t seen that from the reps from other groups.

The only update I have seen from them is their concern about the Region 5 priorities. That is the ONLY priority that I have seen shared. There could be similar confusion within some Region priorities. Seems like they would at least share Region 1 priorities.

If you followed their FB page, which apparently you do not, you’d know they have argued that FCPS should publish the 10 priorities submitted by the BRAC members for each region.

Well, if they could share the Region 1 priority, they could share others. They knew that priority, they also know others. Seems like they could at least share Region 1 since at least one BRAC member on Fairfacts is ont he committee.

It’s unfortunate that you do not realize how whiny you sound.

The BRAC members for each region apparently met separately, developed at least 10 recommendations, and verbally reported their top 3 to the other members.

If we want a full and accurate reporting of the BRAC recommendations, it should come from Thru/FCPS, which got them in writing.

Fully agree. Someone get that poster some cheese to go with her whine!

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Anonymous wrote:Hey Great Falls Mama/Granny, a school board member just said:

"Purchasing a beautiful school complex: FCPS is in the process of procuring the former King Abdullah Academy property near Dulles to serve as our newest western high school. The property will undergo minimal renovations over the coming year with plans to determine curricular programming decisions in the coming months and open the campus in the 2026-27 school year."

So, lady you are SOL. Not the standardized test kind of SOL, LOL!

Not a Great Falls poster, but the bolded portion of McElveen's comment certainly leaves open the possibility this school is going to be some type of non-traditional or magnet school. That can't make those who are counting on KAA being converted to a neighborhood school happy. He does call it "our newest western high school," but that can be read to merely refer to the school's location.

DP. I really don't believe this is going to be a magnet school of any kind. The pushback they would get would be tremendous. He probably just means whether it will be an AP or IB school.

That seems unlikely to me, because the plan is to open the school in the fall of 2026 and there's a lengthy process to get IBO approval of a new IB diploma school.

I suspect they will absolutely discuss the possibility of making it a magnet school, but they will definitely decide against it.

Y'all still don't understand how the FCPS board works?

They already knew the answer. They probably decided this would be a community school but haven’t announced it yet and will still go through the motions.

My impression is that the board delayed discussing the acquisition until the last minute (I believe tomorrow is the actual sale date) to avoid early discussions about the school and potential criticism over 'transparency.'

Ryan McElveen stated that the property will serve as our newest western high school. That’s what they intend to do, and that’s what will happen.

It’s a truism that it will be a western HS because it’s located in western Fairfax. That doesn’t mean it will only serve kids in that area. Maybe it will, but it may depend on their figuring out how many kids it can actually accommodate. A former KAA teacher has noted it was designed with a lot of administrative offices and also open spaces, so they could end up spending a lot of additional money if they really want to have a local HS for over 2000 kids.

It cracks me up when people suggest FCPS had this all figured out when they announced the agreement in principle to buy this building. It very much came across as an impulse purchase with many of the details to be worked out later.

Sure just like TJ serves as an eastern high school. lol