Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:And yet, we know the model for development and transportation is no longer environmentally or economically sustainable, so we need to make changes. Investing in infrastructure that gets some people away from cars is a solution that has worked elsewhere. We are not so special that it should not work here as well.

As others have said, we need to invest in bikes and mass transit.

What is your solution?

This plan will not reduce cars, help the environment, transit, or safety. It will make side streets less safe and congested and cannibalize transit riders. People did not overpay for 1940s colonials in order to live the U Street lifestyle. Supporters of this plan have fundamentally misread the desires of long time residents because you are young and childless and have little life experience. For every one cargo bike mom there are 100 parents too busy to pay attention to this nonsense because they are living their lives with the expectation that elected officials have their best interest at heart.

Where os your data that bike lanes draw more commuters away from mass transit than from cars?

The plan will reduce the mandatory need for people to be car dependent, it will give them a safe alterntative for when the want it. De Facto, if more people are biking and they are biking instead of driving a fossil fuel based car, then yes, there will be less pollution. Giving public space to each mode share absolutely makes a street safer. And this isn't about making upper NW into U street. It is a bout a fundemental shift GLOBALLY away from single occupancy cars.

I am sorry long time, older residents don't like it. But things change. People of color are now considered a full person and not 3/5th. Women can vote, laundry machines make it so you don't have to take dirty clothes to the stream and pound rocks. Society evolves, and the sooner the better where climate change is concerned. THAT is the future and the reality. Living in a 20th century mode isn't feasible anymore. Our elected leaders understand that and are taking steps to prepare our society and our built environment to adjust accordingly.

And honestly this isn't even universally true. I know many long-term residents along the CT Ave corridor (who live in SFHs on side streets) who are either indifferent or in favor of this. Most are rolling their eyes at the same old cranks who are arguing about this on the list serve

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the list of ANC commissioners behind this plan.
- https://anc3c.org/commissioners/
- http://anc3f.com/about/
- https://anc3g.org/commission-as-a-whole/
- https://anc.dc.gov/page/advisory-neighborhood-commission-3e

These are the people that need to explain themselves.

It is a simple explanation. DDOT conducted a study to end reversible lanes and decide what the path is for the future. DDOT held a bunch of meetings, the ANC's and even SMD commissioners held meetings. The feedbacl was overhwelmingly in favor of "Option C," the Mayor based on the feedback from the public and the ANC's "great weight" chose option C and the Council funded it.

Again, the overwhelming majority of people who provided comments were in favor of it; with almost unanimity, the ANC Commissioners were in favor of it, and only one single Commissioner in the span of Connecticut Avenue from Woodley Park to Chevy Chase opposed it

If anything, at this point, the people who need to explain themselves are the ones who believe that cars are the future, that clogging roads with the most inefficient form of urban transportation is the path forward.

[Anonymous]

The city has had bike lanes for more than a decade, and the government has bent over backwards to promote them, and yet biking remains the least popular means of transportation.

Surveys show biking is less popular than driving, taking the subway, riding the bus, taking a cab/uber, walking, carpooling and commuter rail

It's surprising that the city has put so much effort into promoting bike lanes (they even pay teachers to bike), for so long, and still it hasn't really caught on.

I guess maybe it only appeals to a small segment of the population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The city has had bike lanes for more than a decade, and the government has bent over backwards to promote them, and yet biking remains the least popular means of transportation.

Surveys show biking is less popular than driving, taking the subway, riding the bus, taking a cab/uber, walking, carpooling and commuter rail

It's surprising that the city has put so much effort into promoting bike lanes (they even pay teachers to bike), for so long, and still it hasn't really caught on.

I guess maybe it only appeals to a small segment of the population.

It would appeal to more if there were a concerted and connected network. That is why Connecticut Avenue is so important. It provides the straightest and flatest path from uptown, through the several commercial areas, to downtown. It connects residents with business and schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the list of ANC commissioners behind this plan.
- https://anc3c.org/commissioners/
- http://anc3f.com/about/
- https://anc3g.org/commission-as-a-whole/
- https://anc.dc.gov/page/advisory-neighborhood-commission-3e

These are the people that need to explain themselves.

It is a simple explanation. DDOT conducted a study to end reversible lanes and decide what the path is for the future. DDOT held a bunch of meetings, the ANC's and even SMD commissioners held meetings. The feedbacl was overhwelmingly in favor of "Option C," the Mayor based on the feedback from the public and the ANC's "great weight" chose option C and the Council funded it.

Again, the overwhelming majority of people who provided comments were in favor of it; with almost unanimity, the ANC Commissioners were in favor of it, and only one single Commissioner in the span of Connecticut Avenue from Woodley Park to Chevy Chase opposed it

If anything, at this point, the people who need to explain themselves are the ones who believe that cars are the future, that clogging roads with the most inefficient form of urban transportation is the path forward.

Who is this commissioner that opposes it? They should not be tarred with rhe same feather as the rest of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The city has had bike lanes for more than a decade, and the government has bent over backwards to promote them, and yet biking remains the least popular means of transportation.

Surveys show biking is less popular than driving, taking the subway, riding the bus, taking a cab/uber, walking, carpooling and commuter rail

It's surprising that the city has put so much effort into promoting bike lanes (they even pay teachers to bike), for so long, and still it hasn't really caught on.

I guess maybe it only appeals to a small segment of the population.

It would appeal to more if there were a concerted and connected network. That is why Connecticut Avenue is so important. It provides the straightest and flatest path from uptown, through the several commercial areas, to downtown. It connects residents with business and schools.

Flattest?!?!?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the list of ANC commissioners behind this plan.
- https://anc3c.org/commissioners/
- http://anc3f.com/about/
- https://anc3g.org/commission-as-a-whole/
- https://anc.dc.gov/page/advisory-neighborhood-commission-3e

These are the people that need to explain themselves.

It is a simple explanation. DDOT conducted a study to end reversible lanes and decide what the path is for the future. DDOT held a bunch of meetings, the ANC's and even SMD commissioners held meetings. The feedbacl was overhwelmingly in favor of "Option C," the Mayor based on the feedback from the public and the ANC's "great weight" chose option C and the Council funded it.

Again, the overwhelming majority of people who provided comments were in favor of it; with almost unanimity, the ANC Commissioners were in favor of it, and only one single Commissioner in the span of Connecticut Avenue from Woodley Park to Chevy Chase opposed it

If anything, at this point, the people who need to explain themselves are the ones who believe that cars are the future, that clogging roads with the most inefficient form of urban transportation is the path forward.

The mayor also closed the schools at the same time these meetings were occurring. Few parents had any bandwidth left to participate in this process because they were trying to juggle home school with work obligations. Most of the participants were young, childless, renters who have little if any skin in the game. This process was a complete fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The city has had bike lanes for more than a decade, and the government has bent over backwards to promote them, and yet biking remains the least popular means of transportation.

Surveys show biking is less popular than driving, taking the subway, riding the bus, taking a cab/uber, walking, carpooling and commuter rail

It's surprising that the city has put so much effort into promoting bike lanes (they even pay teachers to bike), for so long, and still it hasn't really caught on.

I guess maybe it only appeals to a small segment of the population.

It would appeal to more if there were a concerted and connected network. That is why Connecticut Avenue is so important. It provides the straightest and flatest path from uptown, through the several commercial areas, to downtown. It connects residents with business and schools.

This is utterly ridiculous. No one who doesnt already bike thinks to themselves, "Well, I would if only there was a concerted and connected network." Only hardcore bike geeks think like that. Normal people see bike lanes everywhere.

It seems like the bike lobby's argument is always "we know not very many people bike right now but if you give us endless amounts of money and turn the city upside down, eventually people will come." Well, we've had bike lanes for almost 15 years and it seems clear they aren't catching on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the list of ANC commissioners behind this plan.
- https://anc3c.org/commissioners/
- http://anc3f.com/about/
- https://anc3g.org/commission-as-a-whole/
- https://anc.dc.gov/page/advisory-neighborhood-commission-3e

These are the people that need to explain themselves.

It is a simple explanation. DDOT conducted a study to end reversible lanes and decide what the path is for the future. DDOT held a bunch of meetings, the ANC's and even SMD commissioners held meetings. The feedbacl was overhwelmingly in favor of "Option C," the Mayor based on the feedback from the public and the ANC's "great weight" chose option C and the Council funded it.

Again, the overwhelming majority of people who provided comments were in favor of it; with almost unanimity, the ANC Commissioners were in favor of it, and only one single Commissioner in the span of Connecticut Avenue from Woodley Park to Chevy Chase opposed it

If anything, at this point, the people who need to explain themselves are the ones who believe that cars are the future, that clogging roads with the most inefficient form of urban transportation is the path forward.

This is also how the NRA controls our gun laws. They flood meetings with lawmakers that no one else even knew were happening, and then claim everyone supported what they wanted because they were the only ones who showed up. And the public is like, "wait, what?" but only after it's too late...

[Anonymous]

Hey folks, this is TRUTH:

Biden says we need more bike lanes, and fewer cars.

So, that's it. This thread nonsense is all nonsense.

It's all settled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the list of ANC commissioners behind this plan.
- https://anc3c.org/commissioners/
- http://anc3f.com/about/
- https://anc3g.org/commission-as-a-whole/
- https://anc.dc.gov/page/advisory-neighborhood-commission-3e

These are the people that need to explain themselves.

It is a simple explanation. DDOT conducted a study to end reversible lanes and decide what the path is for the future. DDOT held a bunch of meetings, the ANC's and even SMD commissioners held meetings. The feedbacl was overhwelmingly in favor of "Option C," the Mayor based on the feedback from the public and the ANC's "great weight" chose option C and the Council funded it.

Again, the overwhelming majority of people who provided comments were in favor of it; with almost unanimity, the ANC Commissioners were in favor of it, and only one single Commissioner in the span of Connecticut Avenue from Woodley Park to Chevy Chase opposed it

If anything, at this point, the people who need to explain themselves are the ones who believe that cars are the future, that clogging roads with the most inefficient form of urban transportation is the path forward.

The mayor also closed the schools at the same time these meetings were occurring. Few parents had any bandwidth left to participate in this process because they were trying to juggle home school with work obligations. Most of the participants were young, childless, renters who have little if any skin in the game. This process was a complete fraud.

Oh yes, SIXTY public meetings plus the chance to submit written comments to DDOT is a "complete fraud." Designed to silence parents who spent $2 mil on their "1940s colonial" and to only hear those worthless renters.

Anyway, covid forced all public meetings to transition to virtual. This actually drastically increased the number of participants of all different opinions. Before, there would be like 3 people at ANC meetings. After, dozens or hundreds came online. Virtual made it significantly easier for parents to participate, actually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the list of ANC commissioners behind this plan.
- https://anc3c.org/commissioners/
- http://anc3f.com/about/
- https://anc3g.org/commission-as-a-whole/
- https://anc.dc.gov/page/advisory-neighborhood-commission-3e

These are the people that need to explain themselves.

It is a simple explanation. DDOT conducted a study to end reversible lanes and decide what the path is for the future. DDOT held a bunch of meetings, the ANC's and even SMD commissioners held meetings. The feedbacl was overhwelmingly in favor of "Option C," the Mayor based on the feedback from the public and the ANC's "great weight" chose option C and the Council funded it.

Again, the overwhelming majority of people who provided comments were in favor of it; with almost unanimity, the ANC Commissioners were in favor of it, and only one single Commissioner in the span of Connecticut Avenue from Woodley Park to Chevy Chase opposed it

If anything, at this point, the people who need to explain themselves are the ones who believe that cars are the future, that clogging roads with the most inefficient form of urban transportation is the path forward.

The mayor also closed the schools at the same time these meetings were occurring. Few parents had any bandwidth left to participate in this process because they were trying to juggle home school with work obligations. Most of the participants were young, childless, renters who have little if any skin in the game. This process was a complete fraud.

Oh yes, SIXTY public meetings plus the chance to submit written comments to DDOT is a "complete fraud." Designed to silence parents who spent $2 mil on their "1940s colonial" and to only hear those worthless renters.

Anyway, covid forced all public meetings to transition to virtual. This actually drastically increased the number of participants of all different opinions. Before, there would be like 3 people at ANC meetings. After, dozens or hundreds came online. Virtual made it significantly easier for parents to participate, actually.

You obviously do not have kids. Because if you did you’d still be recovering from the trauma of trying to juggle 8 simultaneously hours of Zoom calls for two working adults and two kids five days a week. The last thing parents wanted to deal with those two years was another Zoom call.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The city has had bike lanes for more than a decade, and the government has bent over backwards to promote them, and yet biking remains the least popular means of transportation.

Surveys show biking is less popular than driving, taking the subway, riding the bus, taking a cab/uber, walking, carpooling and commuter rail

It's surprising that the city has put so much effort into promoting bike lanes (they even pay teachers to bike), for so long, and still it hasn't really caught on.

I guess maybe it only appeals to a small segment of the population.

It would appeal to more if there were a concerted and connected network. That is why Connecticut Avenue is so important. It provides the straightest and flatest path from uptown, through the several commercial areas, to downtown. It connects residents with business and schools.

Flattest?!?!?!

Flat enough to have been viable for the streetcar that prompted its construction, so yes. It is a relatively flat road.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is the list of ANC commissioners behind this plan.
- https://anc3c.org/commissioners/
- http://anc3f.com/about/
- https://anc3g.org/commission-as-a-whole/
- https://anc.dc.gov/page/advisory-neighborhood-commission-3e

These are the people that need to explain themselves.

It is a simple explanation. DDOT conducted a study to end reversible lanes and decide what the path is for the future. DDOT held a bunch of meetings, the ANC's and even SMD commissioners held meetings. The feedbacl was overhwelmingly in favor of "Option C," the Mayor based on the feedback from the public and the ANC's "great weight" chose option C and the Council funded it.

Again, the overwhelming majority of people who provided comments were in favor of it; with almost unanimity, the ANC Commissioners were in favor of it, and only one single Commissioner in the span of Connecticut Avenue from Woodley Park to Chevy Chase opposed it

If anything, at this point, the people who need to explain themselves are the ones who believe that cars are the future, that clogging roads with the most inefficient form of urban transportation is the path forward.

The mayor also closed the schools at the same time these meetings were occurring. Few parents had any bandwidth left to participate in this process because they were trying to juggle home school with work obligations. Most of the participants were young, childless, renters who have little if any skin in the game. This process was a complete fraud.

The meetings were all on zoom and there were over 50 of them. They were announced very publicly by DDOT and each of the ANCs as well as the various civic/community associations and on the neighborhood email groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The city has had bike lanes for more than a decade, and the government has bent over backwards to promote them, and yet biking remains the least popular means of transportation.

Surveys show biking is less popular than driving, taking the subway, riding the bus, taking a cab/uber, walking, carpooling and commuter rail

It's surprising that the city has put so much effort into promoting bike lanes (they even pay teachers to bike), for so long, and still it hasn't really caught on.

I guess maybe it only appeals to a small segment of the population.

It would appeal to more if there were a concerted and connected network. That is why Connecticut Avenue is so important. It provides the straightest and flatest path from uptown, through the several commercial areas, to downtown. It connects residents with business and schools.

This is utterly ridiculous. No one who doesnt already bike thinks to themselves, "Well, I would if only there was a concerted and connected network." Only hardcore bike geeks think like that. Normal people see bike lanes everywhere.

It seems like the bike lobby's argument is always "we know not very many people bike right now but if you give us endless amounts of money and turn the city upside down, eventually people will come." Well, we've had bike lanes for almost 15 years and it seems clear they aren't catching on.

Wrong. Avid cyclists will bike wherever. The normal person says "holy crap, there is no way I am biking on Connecticut Avenue."