FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Happy BRAC day!

Regardless of your feelings on the boundaries, the fact that you revel in this knowing that tens of thousands of your community will suffer negative impacts, including mental health issues for lots of these kids, makes you a truly repugnant person.

Or some people might have a different thought on all of this and think that it won’t be nearly as dramatic as you think it is. There are many different opinions.

Kids moving from one school to another will be moving with their classmates from their same ES and will have the support of their family, friends, and the new school they are moving to. More likely then not, there will be other kids moving into that school and others moving out. They are not moving by themselves. I am sure some kids will struggle but I doubt that there will be the massive mental health issues that you seem to think that there will be. The move might even be good for some kids.

The fact that they will be moving with friends from same elementary school is not necessarily true. And, you sound like someone who has not understood how this will affect families that have kids in more than one high school--or elementary school. I guess it is unlikely that you would have kids in two middle schools, but that also might be possible.
Have you considered the support of family in these circumstances? Having to go in two different directions for activities, sports, etc? Think of the single parent. Two PTA dues. Two sets of spirit gear. Etc.
We've talked a lot about this as it applies to high schools, but this could also affect elementary.

And, the issue of IB/AP has not been addressed.

You sound like a parent who wants other kids districted into your school. In this case, you are not going to have the very difficult adjustments.

And, we have yet to discuss staffing.

I see, so your point of view is the only one that matters and that there are other people with different thoughts and considerations is immaterial. Got it. You do your best to try and make anyone who posts a different thought then yours look selfish while you are trying to defend the mental well being of all kids and don’t have any personal bias for wanting to stay where you are.

We get it, you don’t want your child to change schools for a variety or legitimate reasons. The problem is that there are legitimate reasons to adjust boundaries and that boundaries are going to shift. You could careless if kids are moved from a school that isn’t yours because you don’t want to move to Lewis or Herndon or whatever school that is not as good as the school you are currently at.

Guess what? I don’t want my kid to move schools. We are in the middle of the Centerville, Chantilly, Oakton, Westfield, South Lakes, Herndon mess. The number of ways kids have moved my kids cohort is impressive. I fully expect that my kid will move or his friends will move and it will be disruptive. I don’t see how the County maintains its current boundaries with the way some of the schools are overcrowded. And I don’t think that it is a matter of moving on the margins. The moves to fix the overcrowding in this area is likely to have ripple effects. The question is how do we make those moves with as much support as possible while diminishing disruption.

You’re conflating posters again.

But just to repeat, no one wants these changes - Christ you don’t even want them. Don’t advocate to hurt families just because you think it’s inevitable.

Try fighting for your kids for a change - you might find that it’s a little bit easier to live with yourself.

It is impossible not to conflate posters on this site. We all end up lumping posters together.

Do I want my kid to move? No.

Do I get that he might because there are schools, ES and HS, that are way over crowded? Yes.

Do I think that is wonderful? No.

I do I understand the necessity? Yes.

I don’t think other kids should be in over crowded schools so that my kid can stay at his school.

Do I think that they should adjust all the schools? No. But they should relieve the over crowded schools and that means that there are going to be multiple schools moved.

And I don’t think the answer is expanding schools or building a new school. 1) We have schools massivly overcrowded now that have needed relief for years. Expansion and/or building a new school is not going to solve the problem that has existed and continues to exist. Especially when we have schools with space that we can use. Fiscally, the responsible thing to do is shift the boundaries where we can.

And dump IB, it is a financial drain that is massively underutilized. Not that it actually ties into the boundary discussion but it is another cost savings measure that would be useful.

TL; DR version: "My school was already renovated and expanded, so I don't really have anything to worry about, but it's fine to move other kids around and ignore the schools that actually need additional seats because we have to justify the expansions that weren't really needed."

Sorry to be harsh, but if you think this School Board gives a rat's ass about being fiscally responsible you have not been paying attention.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

We found the most absurd take on the whole thread.

Any assertion that the “strip club squad” favors Langley is the most preposterous thing you could say.

When has Langley ever not gotten what it wanted?

When 8130 revisions were passed.

Don’t double down on dumb.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is the “office tower high school in Tysons” being proposed on this thread?

Is someone that concerned about capacity from the Tysons area going to Langley (and the potential domino effect that would have on the northern portion of the current Langley attendance zone) that they would rather cram other people’s kids into an office building than send their own kids to a high school that is geographically closer to where they bought a house?

A bit hypocritical from the “don’t tell other people what to do with their kids” crowd.

DP. I know that you’re a parrot with your MO of moving Langley kids to Herndon, but sometimes it isn’t about you and your extreme agenda.

Touch grass.

I'm starting to think that you don't know what "touch grass" means, you just use it every time you want to mildly insult someone.

He uses it as if it means “pound sand.” Perhaps not a native English speaker and mixing up idioms.

The touch grass person is definitely not a man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We don't need ANOTHER high school need near Tysons, we need a high school in western Fairfax county.

DP. Then your first step should be talking them out of expanding Centreville to 3000 seats. That is the final nail in the coffin of a new western HS.

We all know why we don’t have a western high school and who has been pushing against any investment in addressing capacity.

Armstrong ES is projected to have 41% capacity in five years. Will the new Thru threshold be 45%-105% in five years? For no particular reason at all?

And if you get your wish, and the Centreville HS expansion is shut down, kids right next door will be bussed across Fairfax city to attend Fairfax high instead of attending the school right next door.

But your kids will attend Langley high and not Herndon. We see how this works.

I’m not at Langley and would have fully supported a new western HS.

But they’ve already expanded Langley, Madison, Oakton, South Lakes, and Herndon, and have a big expansion of Centreville planned now. All six of those schools serve kids in western Fairfax, even if not in western Fairfax themselves.

These expansions and expansion plans are inconsistent with a new western HS, which is why I suggest you advocate for scaling back (not eliminating) the Centreville expansion if you really think a western HS will ever get built.

If all you want is a huge expansion of Centreville to absorb the western part of the Fairfax HS catchment area, then advocate for that and stop talking about a new western HS. While you’re at it, let us know who is going to attend Fairfax, with its 2400 seats, if all these kids move to Centreville.

The expansion should absolutely proceed at Centrevillle HS to allow neighborhoods in western Fairfax that are right next to Centreville HS attend the newly renovated high school next door instead of being bussed across Fairfax city.

As for the bold, there are multiple new developments just down Jermantown road from Providence ES and KJ that are converting commercial sites to residential sites:

The Flint Hill one is currently zoned for Fairfax Providence/KJ/Fairfafx:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/

The AT&T site is commercial land that is currently in the Oakton ES boundary, but is also on Jermantown road (literally across the street from the Flint Hill development) and can be rezoned to Providence/KJ/Fairfax:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/

So, expand Centreville so that in five years, you have capacity to shift adjacent neighborhoods to attend, and Fairfax HS has capacity to meet the conversion of commercial sites to residential sites.

Why on earth do you go on and on about zoning Oakton kids away from Oakton HS???

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

Not nearly good enough. The school board created BRAC, and is required to allow the public to attend.

No, it didn’t. The Superintendent created it. It’s her advisory committee, not the Board’s.

Actually, the school board created it.

You can look it up on board docs videos

https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/2024-2026-boundary-review/superintendents-boundary-review-advisory-committee

This link shows it’s a superintendent committee.

DP. They can create a web page that calls it the Dalai Lama's Boundary Review Advisory Committee. That doesn't necessarily mean that it was created by Reid as opposed to the School Board and then reframed as her committee to try and limit access to its discussions.

And, even if it were a committee to advise Reid, no Superintendent that really cares about transparency, as she claims to do on many occasions, would operate in this manner. They are doing the same thing with the FLECAC (family life committee).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

We found the most absurd take on the whole thread.

Any assertion that the “strip club squad” favors Langley is the most preposterous thing you could say.

When has Langley ever not gotten what it wanted?

When 8130 revisions were passed.

Don’t double down on dumb.

Thin beer there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We don't need ANOTHER high school need near Tysons, we need a high school in western Fairfax county.

DP. Then your first step should be talking them out of expanding Centreville to 3000 seats. That is the final nail in the coffin of a new western HS.

We all know why we don’t have a western high school and who has been pushing against any investment in addressing capacity.

Armstrong ES is projected to have 41% capacity in five years. Will the new Thru threshold be 45%-105% in five years? For no particular reason at all?

And if you get your wish, and the Centreville HS expansion is shut down, kids right next door will be bussed across Fairfax city to attend Fairfax high instead of attending the school right next door.

But your kids will attend Langley high and not Herndon. We see how this works.

I’m not at Langley and would have fully supported a new western HS.

But they’ve already expanded Langley, Madison, Oakton, South Lakes, and Herndon, and have a big expansion of Centreville planned now. All six of those schools serve kids in western Fairfax, even if not in western Fairfax themselves.

These expansions and expansion plans are inconsistent with a new western HS, which is why I suggest you advocate for scaling back (not eliminating) the Centreville expansion if you really think a western HS will ever get built.

If all you want is a huge expansion of Centreville to absorb the western part of the Fairfax HS catchment area, then advocate for that and stop talking about a new western HS. While you’re at it, let us know who is going to attend Fairfax, with its 2400 seats, if all these kids move to Centreville.

The expansion should absolutely proceed at Centrevillle HS to allow neighborhoods in western Fairfax that are right next to Centreville HS attend the newly renovated high school next door instead of being bussed across Fairfax city.

As for the bold, there are multiple new developments just down Jermantown road from Providence ES and KJ that are converting commercial sites to residential sites:

The Flint Hill one is currently zoned for Fairfax Providence/KJ/Fairfafx:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/

The AT&T site is commercial land that is currently in the Oakton ES boundary, but is also on Jermantown road (literally across the street from the Flint Hill development) and can be rezoned to Providence/KJ/Fairfax:

https://www.ffxnow.com/2025/02/21/proposed-redevelopments-on-jermantown-road-in-oakton-receive-final-approval/

So, expand Centreville so that in five years, you have capacity to shift adjacent neighborhoods to attend, and Fairfax HS has capacity to meet the conversion of commercial sites to residential sites.

Why on earth do you go on and on about zoning Oakton kids away from Oakton HS???

Dude is desperate to move kids out of Oakton and then argue his Falls Church kid should get rezoned there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

Not nearly good enough. The school board created BRAC, and is required to allow the public to attend.

No, it didn’t. The Superintendent created it. It’s her advisory committee, not the Board’s.

Don’t lie. The school board voted to create the committee. It’s a school board committee. You can’t just call it a superintendent committee to evade FOIA.

This stuff matters. We shouldn’t be a lawless county.

Show the boarddocs page where the Board created it then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Happy BRAC day!

Regardless of your feelings on the boundaries, the fact that you revel in this knowing that tens of thousands of your community will suffer negative impacts, including mental health issues for lots of these kids, makes you a truly repugnant person.

Or some people might have a different thought on all of this and think that it won’t be nearly as dramatic as you think it is. There are many different opinions.

Kids moving from one school to another will be moving with their classmates from their same ES and will have the support of their family, friends, and the new school they are moving to. More likely then not, there will be other kids moving into that school and others moving out. They are not moving by themselves. I am sure some kids will struggle but I doubt that there will be the massive mental health issues that you seem to think that there will be. The move might even be good for some kids.

The fact that they will be moving with friends from same elementary school is not necessarily true. And, you sound like someone who has not understood how this will affect families that have kids in more than one high school--or elementary school. I guess it is unlikely that you would have kids in two middle schools, but that also might be possible.
Have you considered the support of family in these circumstances? Having to go in two different directions for activities, sports, etc? Think of the single parent. Two PTA dues. Two sets of spirit gear. Etc.
We've talked a lot about this as it applies to high schools, but this could also affect elementary.

And, the issue of IB/AP has not been addressed.

You sound like a parent who wants other kids districted into your school. In this case, you are not going to have the very difficult adjustments.

And, we have yet to discuss staffing.

I see, so your point of view is the only one that matters and that there are other people with different thoughts and considerations is immaterial. Got it. You do your best to try and make anyone who posts a different thought then yours look selfish while you are trying to defend the mental well being of all kids and don’t have any personal bias for wanting to stay where you are.

We get it, you don’t want your child to change schools for a variety or legitimate reasons. The problem is that there are legitimate reasons to adjust boundaries and that boundaries are going to shift. You could careless if kids are moved from a school that isn’t yours because you don’t want to move to Lewis or Herndon or whatever school that is not as good as the school you are currently at.

Guess what? I don’t want my kid to move schools. We are in the middle of the Centerville, Chantilly, Oakton, Westfield, South Lakes, Herndon mess. The number of ways kids have moved my kids cohort is impressive. I fully expect that my kid will move or his friends will move and it will be disruptive. I don’t see how the County maintains its current boundaries with the way some of the schools are overcrowded. And I don’t think that it is a matter of moving on the margins. The moves to fix the overcrowding in this area is likely to have ripple effects. The question is how do we make those moves with as much support as possible while diminishing disruption.

My kids were at a split feeder elementary school, so their friends went to one of two middle schools. They are currently at a split feeder middle school, so their friends will go to one of four (I think) different high schools. IT'S ALREADY DISRUPTIVE FOR A LOT OF KIDS!!!! I would absolutely love for this to be fixed, so that my kids could be K-12 with the same kids like I was, but interestingly, neither their elementary school, nor their middle school seems to be under consideration for rezoning. Some of us are actually okay with the prospect of rezoning because our kids' friends groups are changing all over the place anyway. I know I'm not the only parent in this situation so I wish folks would stop speaking for everyone.

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Can someone explain many people’s dislike for HS with IB?

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Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

It's going to get VERY interesting if they propose to move people out of Chantilly and West Springfield but leave Langley untouched. Once again FCPS will have talked a good game about equity, and then turned around and screwed the middle class while favoring the wealthiest.

West Springfield is currently at 112% capacity and expected to go to 120% capacity by 2029-2030.

Chantilly is currently at 125% capacity if you don’t include modulars and expected to be at 118% capacity without modulars by 2029-2030.

Langley is currently at 94% capacity and expected to be at 96% capacity by 2029-2030.

How is there even a comparison? It makes sense to lower the numbers of students at over capacity schools. It doesn’t make sense to unnecessarily rezone kids from an under capacity school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to the website, materials will be posted the following business day so tomorrow (Tuesday) probably late afternoon

Not nearly good enough. The school board created BRAC, and is required to allow the public to attend.

No, it didn’t. The Superintendent created it. It’s her advisory committee, not the Board’s.

Don’t lie. The school board voted to create the committee. It’s a school board committee. You can’t just call it a superintendent committee to evade FOIA.

This stuff matters. We shouldn’t be a lawless county.

Show the boarddocs page where the Board created it then.

See. They’re a SB cult. These are the very folks who go around saying the red hats are a cult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain many people’s dislike for HS with IB?

It has been explained multiple times in just this thread and msny others.

Do a keyword search.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Happy BRAC day!

Regardless of your feelings on the boundaries, the fact that you revel in this knowing that tens of thousands of your community will suffer negative impacts, including mental health issues for lots of these kids, makes you a truly repugnant person.

Or some people might have a different thought on all of this and think that it won’t be nearly as dramatic as you think it is. There are many different opinions.

Kids moving from one school to another will be moving with their classmates from their same ES and will have the support of their family, friends, and the new school they are moving to. More likely then not, there will be other kids moving into that school and others moving out. They are not moving by themselves. I am sure some kids will struggle but I doubt that there will be the massive mental health issues that you seem to think that there will be. The move might even be good for some kids.

The fact that they will be moving with friends from same elementary school is not necessarily true. And, you sound like someone who has not understood how this will affect families that have kids in more than one high school--or elementary school. I guess it is unlikely that you would have kids in two middle schools, but that also might be possible.
Have you considered the support of family in these circumstances? Having to go in two different directions for activities, sports, etc? Think of the single parent. Two PTA dues. Two sets of spirit gear. Etc.
We've talked a lot about this as it applies to high schools, but this could also affect elementary.

And, the issue of IB/AP has not been addressed.

You sound like a parent who wants other kids districted into your school. In this case, you are not going to have the very difficult adjustments.

And, we have yet to discuss staffing.

I see, so your point of view is the only one that matters and that there are other people with different thoughts and considerations is immaterial. Got it. You do your best to try and make anyone who posts a different thought then yours look selfish while you are trying to defend the mental well being of all kids and don’t have any personal bias for wanting to stay where you are.

We get it, you don’t want your child to change schools for a variety or legitimate reasons. The problem is that there are legitimate reasons to adjust boundaries and that boundaries are going to shift. You could careless if kids are moved from a school that isn’t yours because you don’t want to move to Lewis or Herndon or whatever school that is not as good as the school you are currently at.

Guess what? I don’t want my kid to move schools. We are in the middle of the Centerville, Chantilly, Oakton, Westfield, South Lakes, Herndon mess. The number of ways kids have moved my kids cohort is impressive. I fully expect that my kid will move or his friends will move and it will be disruptive. I don’t see how the County maintains its current boundaries with the way some of the schools are overcrowded. And I don’t think that it is a matter of moving on the margins. The moves to fix the overcrowding in this area is likely to have ripple effects. The question is how do we make those moves with as much support as possible while diminishing disruption.

My kids were at a split feeder elementary school, so their friends went to one of two middle schools. They are currently at a split feeder middle school, so their friends will go to one of four (I think) different high schools. IT'S ALREADY DISRUPTIVE FOR A LOT OF KIDS!!!! I would absolutely love for this to be fixed, so that my kids could be K-12 with the same kids like I was, but interestingly, neither their elementary school, nor their middle school seems to be under consideration for rezoning. Some of us are actually okay with the prospect of rezoning because our kids' friends groups are changing all over the place anyway. I know I'm not the only parent in this situation so I wish folks would stop speaking for everyone.

Isn't Carson the only middle school that sends kids to four high schools, and that's because the AAP program pulls in some Chantilly kids who otherwise wouldn't go there.

If they don't address the weird splits into and out of Carson, it shouldn't make you any happier if they make other changes for which there was little or no demand (others were fine with existing attendance islands and other split feeders, or weren't complaining about their supposedly "overcrowded" schools).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Happy BRAC day!

Regardless of your feelings on the boundaries, the fact that you revel in this knowing that tens of thousands of your community will suffer negative impacts, including mental health issues for lots of these kids, makes you a truly repugnant person.

Or some people might have a different thought on all of this and think that it won’t be nearly as dramatic as you think it is. There are many different opinions.

Kids moving from one school to another will be moving with their classmates from their same ES and will have the support of their family, friends, and the new school they are moving to. More likely then not, there will be other kids moving into that school and others moving out. They are not moving by themselves. I am sure some kids will struggle but I doubt that there will be the massive mental health issues that you seem to think that there will be. The move might even be good for some kids.

The fact that they will be moving with friends from same elementary school is not necessarily true. And, you sound like someone who has not understood how this will affect families that have kids in more than one high school--or elementary school. I guess it is unlikely that you would have kids in two middle schools, but that also might be possible.
Have you considered the support of family in these circumstances? Having to go in two different directions for activities, sports, etc? Think of the single parent. Two PTA dues. Two sets of spirit gear. Etc.
We've talked a lot about this as it applies to high schools, but this could also affect elementary.

And, the issue of IB/AP has not been addressed.

You sound like a parent who wants other kids districted into your school. In this case, you are not going to have the very difficult adjustments.

And, we have yet to discuss staffing.

I see, so your point of view is the only one that matters and that there are other people with different thoughts and considerations is immaterial. Got it. You do your best to try and make anyone who posts a different thought then yours look selfish while you are trying to defend the mental well being of all kids and don’t have any personal bias for wanting to stay where you are.

We get it, you don’t want your child to change schools for a variety or legitimate reasons. The problem is that there are legitimate reasons to adjust boundaries and that boundaries are going to shift. You could careless if kids are moved from a school that isn’t yours because you don’t want to move to Lewis or Herndon or whatever school that is not as good as the school you are currently at.

Guess what? I don’t want my kid to move schools. We are in the middle of the Centerville, Chantilly, Oakton, Westfield, South Lakes, Herndon mess. The number of ways kids have moved my kids cohort is impressive. I fully expect that my kid will move or his friends will move and it will be disruptive. I don’t see how the County maintains its current boundaries with the way some of the schools are overcrowded. And I don’t think that it is a matter of moving on the margins. The moves to fix the overcrowding in this area is likely to have ripple effects. The question is how do we make those moves with as much support as possible while diminishing disruption.

You’re conflating posters again.

But just to repeat, no one wants these changes - Christ you don’t even want them. Don’t advocate to hurt families just because you think it’s inevitable.

Try fighting for your kids for a change - you might find that it’s a little bit easier to live with yourself.

It is impossible not to conflate posters on this site. We all end up lumping posters together.

Do I want my kid to move? No.

Do I get that he might because there are schools, ES and HS, that are way over crowded? Yes.

Do I think that is wonderful? No.

I do I understand the necessity? Yes.

I don’t think other kids should be in over crowded schools so that my kid can stay at his school.

Do I think that they should adjust all the schools? No. But they should relieve the over crowded schools and that means that there are going to be multiple schools moved.

And I don’t think the answer is expanding schools or building a new school. 1) We have schools massivly overcrowded now that have needed relief for years. Expansion and/or building a new school is not going to solve the problem that has existed and continues to exist. Especially when we have schools with space that we can use. Fiscally, the responsible thing to do is shift the boundaries where we can.

And dump IB, it is a financial drain that is massively underutilized. Not that it actually ties into the boundary discussion but it is another cost savings measure that would be useful.

I would argue that IB very much ties to the boundary discussion. Some of the lowest performing schools are IB with high performing students leaving to attend a nearby AP. It confuses the capacity numbers and geography lines could be redrawn to make up for this gap vs bringing them back to their home school with similar programming. Give every HS core languages and put the extras online.

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