Gaza War, Part 3

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If an American marries an American jew and converts are they truly jewish? Truly? Jewish enough to claim Israel as their motherland?

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

And before that, there were Neanderthals and before that amoebas. Maybe we should just give our homes back to them…

Well, yes this is the game we are playing. We preach about how the white Europeans ‘stole’ American indigenous land, yet we turn a complete 180 and support and encourage it from another country. European jewish people don’t have direct roots to the middle east.

Oh but those who are genetically Jewish most certainly do.

How Jewish is Jewish enough? What about converts? Ivanka Trump? Does she have a right to live in Israel before a Palestinian? What percentage is jewish enough? Why are we fixated on such things?

Because far too many people deny Jewish people’s ironclad connection to the Levant.

Oh, this is really a fun exercise in pushing the envelope. Now, the claimed area has expanded to “the Levant”. So now we’re talking claims to Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc.

Hasbara at it once again - “We must re-frame the narrative, our land is not just all of Israel and the occupied lands, it’s also Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, too. This is ESSENTIAL to Israel’s future dominion of these lands! STOP referring to the Jewish homeland as Eretz Israel. START referring to it as the entire Levant!”

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Anonymous wrote:If an American marries an American jew and converts are they truly jewish? Truly? Jewish enough to claim Israel as their motherland?

that's up to Israel to decide.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

And before that, there were Neanderthals and before that amoebas. Maybe we should just give our homes back to them…

Well, yes this is the game we are playing. We preach about how the white Europeans ‘stole’ American indigenous land, yet we turn a complete 180 and support and encourage it from another country. European jewish people don’t have direct roots to the middle east.

Oh but those who are genetically Jewish most certainly do.

How Jewish is Jewish enough? What about converts? Ivanka Trump? Does she have a right to live in Israel before a Palestinian? What percentage is jewish enough? Why are we fixated on such things?

Because far too many people deny Jewish people’s ironclad connection to the Levant.

Oh, this is really a fun exercise in pushing the envelope. Now, the claimed area has expanded to “the Levant”. So now we’re talking claims to Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc.

Hasbara at it once again - “We must re-frame the narrative, our land is not just all of Israel and the occupied lands, it’s also Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, too. This is ESSENTIAL to Israel’s future dominion of these lands! STOP referring to the Jewish homeland as Eretz Israel. START referring to it as the entire Levant!”

Relax, bro.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If an American marries an American jew and converts are they truly jewish? Truly? Jewish enough to claim Israel as their motherland?

that's up to Israel to decide.

What BS

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Anonymous wrote:If an American marries an American jew and converts are they truly jewish? Truly? Jewish enough to claim Israel as their motherland?

that's up to Israel to decide.

What BS

What do you mean by "motherland"? What a weird term.

[Anonymous]

So, I assume that within a couple weeks, the ICJ will enter a temporary order barring Israel from continuing to prosecute its war against Hamas. Just my gut instinct. There will be two or three dissenters. Will Israel follow this order?

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Anonymous wrote:If an American marries an American jew and converts are they truly jewish? Truly? Jewish enough to claim Israel as their motherland?

that's up to Israel to decide.

What BS

What do you mean by "motherland"? What a weird term.

You’ve never heard the term motherland? Are you under 10?

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Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Crystal clear post, but this clown responds with “Huh?” to try to derail the discussion because that’s what the hasbara handbook says to do … if the discussion gets away from your talking point BS, attack the other side by claiming that their arguments are incoherent, or “word salad”, etc.

It’s really sinister, but it’s now become an everyday occurrence. Hasbara 101.

And what page would that be in the - what do you call it? - the Hasbata notebook?

Just ant to get the world domination notebooks straight.

It’s like Fight Club for cross-eyed nutters with spittle forming at the corners of their mouths. The first rule is “You don’t talk about Hasbara” and the second rule is “You DO NOT talk about Hasbara”.

But it’s Pages 14 - 53, if you’re still wondering.

However, it’s hardly a “world domination” notebook. These idiots can’t even get off U.S. welfare after 76 years, much less dominate anything other than refugees who are forced to respond to F-16s and Abrams tanks with literal sticks and stones. Not exactly a group known for dominating a fair fight, if you know what I mean.

Wow, talk about a cross-eyed spittle frother. Have you looked in a mirror lately?

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

There were ancient Canaanites in the area long, long, long before there were Jews, Christians, or Muslims. The land was inhabited for tens of millennia before Judaism was even invented. Why should just one -- of the many different religious groups that have lived there -- have a special claim to this piece of land?

And before that, there were Neanderthals and before that amoebas. Maybe we should just give our homes back to them…

Well, yes this is the game we are playing. We preach about how the white Europeans ‘stole’ American indigenous land, yet we turn a complete 180 and support and encourage it from another country. European jewish people don’t have direct roots to the middle east.

Oh but those who are genetically Jewish most certainly do.

How Jewish is Jewish enough? What about converts? Ivanka Trump? Does she have a right to live in Israel before a Palestinian? What percentage is jewish enough? Why are we fixated on such things?

Because far too many people deny Jewish people’s ironclad connection to the Levant.

Oh, this is really a fun exercise in pushing the envelope. Now, the claimed area has expanded to “the Levant”. So now we’re talking claims to Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, etc.

Hasbara at it once again - “We must re-frame the narrative, our land is not just all of Israel and the occupied lands, it’s also Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, too. This is ESSENTIAL to Israel’s future dominion of these lands! STOP referring to the Jewish homeland as Eretz Israel. START referring to it as the entire Levant!”

Relax, bro.

There’s no time for relaxing, my dude! I have to update my Hasbara talking points so I can stay on message! Staying on message is vital to our efforts - how else are we going to reclaim these lands that may have a 2,000+ year old connection to the ancestors of maybe 10 -12% of us?!

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Protesters Should be Calling For Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Return the Hostages.

Do You Think Hamas Would Listen To Protesters?

No need to Mock My Style, please, to make your argument.

Whether Hamas listens or not is not the Full Point. The Full Point is that a call for Hamas to Lay Down Its Arms and Release the Hostages is the Morally Correct Stance to Take. Better, at lease than protesting as what is, in effect, one of Hamas’ Useful Idiots.

Then Go Get A Poster And Start Protesting.

Yes, engaging with Hamas’ Useful Idiots protesting world wide as to why the are not calling on Hamas to Surrender and Release the Hostages sounds like a prudent idea. I have debated Israel haters about this. Hamas’ Surrendering is the most straightforward and expeditious path to End the Conflict. Why Hamas? a Useful Idiot would respond. Because they were the aggressor.

It is a fundamental question that said Useful Idiots can never answer. Why can’t they? Who knows. Maybe because on some level they just want Hamas to win. Not the best side to take and history will judge them poorly.

People protest when they think it will have an impact on behavior.

The families of the hostages in Israel are protesting, not for Hamas to throw down their arms and release the hostages, but for their government to negotiate for the safe release of the hostages. Why do you think they’re not calling on Hamas? Because they’re useful idiots? Or because they’re correctly assessing they will have a greater impact on the behavior of their own government?

In the U.S. the protests have been largely effective in forcing elected leaders to confront Israel about their worst abuses. Why should they pivot to trying to change Hamas’ behavior when it’s hugely unlikely to be effective?

Huh?

Crystal clear post, but this clown responds with “Huh?” to try to derail the discussion because that’s what the hasbara handbook says to do … if the discussion gets away from your talking point BS, attack the other side by claiming that their arguments are incoherent, or “word salad”, etc.

It’s really sinister, but it’s now become an everyday occurrence. Hasbara 101.

And what page would that be in the - what do you call it? - the Hasbata notebook?

Just ant to get the world domination notebooks straight.

It’s like Fight Club for cross-eyed nutters with spittle forming at the corners of their mouths. The first rule is “You don’t talk about Hasbara” and the second rule is “You DO NOT talk about Hasbara”.

But it’s Pages 14 - 53, if you’re still wondering.

However, it’s hardly a “world domination” notebook. These idiots can’t even get off U.S. welfare after 76 years, much less dominate anything other than refugees who are forced to respond to F-16s and Abrams tanks with literal sticks and stones. Not exactly a group known for dominating a fair fight, if you know what I mean.

Wow, talk about a cross-eyed spittle frother. Have you looked in a mirror lately?

I asked for a cross-eyed spittle frother for Christmas this year, but I came up empty-handed, so I guess I’ll have to deal with un-frothed milk in my coffee for a little while longer.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Welp, then no one belongs there then. Just all immigrate here I guess. We need more people and more conflict here.

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Anonymous wrote:Those who argue that Jews do not a historical connection to Israel are wrong. They were there before their opponents.

Genetic testing says, uhhh bullshit.

False. Genetic testing confirms ties as do thousands upon thousands of architectural excavations. To deny Jews’ historical presence there is just wrong. I mean heck, there’s even an ancient Jewish Temple in Gaza, for Christ’s sake. Oh yeah, Christ too! A Jewish man. Er, wait, a Palestinian Jew?

Furthermore the Jews were there long before Christianity or Islam was concocted.

Yeah, all true. The problem is that the people calling themselves Jews in 2024 like Netanyahu and Smotrich have about as much ancient Jewish blood in them as I do, which is a lengthy way to say “none”.

There is no such thing as " Jewish Blood" . You talk like a Zealot.

The vast majority of Arabs in Palestine, Lebanon & Syria are the exact same haplotype as Sephardic Jews: E1b1

They are the same " people "

You can’t have it both ways though, if the Palestinians have more middle eastern blood, they have a right to remain exactly where they are. How can one argue to remove them? Yes, the Sephardic jews have a right to be there fine, but the remaining nonSephardic have zero ties there. It is what it is. These are Europeans.

Deep breaths. I think you mean Mizrahi. Study up.

Ok why do half or more European persons have a right to force indigenous people out? We are still allowing this to happen in 2024?

What makes them "indigenous?" Because they colonized the area several hundred years ago, during the Arab conquests of muslim expansion? And what makes Jews somehow not indigenous, given they originated there, and the land used to be known as Judea, and have DNA ties to the area?

Why do you refuse to address the irrefutable fact that the genetic ties of the typical regional Jew to that specific region is far less significant (i.e., comparatively inferior) than the genetic tie of the typical regional Arab to that specific region?

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That’s false. You can’t just put sh*t out there and expect everyone to go, oh ok. You’re right.