Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

PR is a very slimy industry. If your entire profession involves badmouthing others then don't be too surprised if you get sued for defamation (and I actually think Sloane has a good case to get it dismissed because they only have her on record saying the cast hates Justin which is an opinion).

[Anonymous]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/justin-baldoni-bahai-blake-lively-legal-feud-1236142565/?taid=67b895017b393700019532ad&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

This picture...have they lost their kinds? What's up with all the ai lately

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PR is a very slimy industry. If your entire profession involves badmouthing others then don't be too surprised if you get sued for defamation (and I actually think Sloane has a good case to get it dismissed because they only have her on record saying the cast hates Justin which is an opinion).

+1 i have no sympathy for any of them. It doesn't matter if that's how the industry has worked. If they can acknowledge some of their tactics are less then savory then don't be surprised you're sued if caught.

[Anonymous]

Fwiw, Hollywood reporter article says the cue card guy is wrong, and the opening joke was pitched/written by SNL while the follow up joke was rewritten in rehearsal.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/snl-denies-ryan-reynolds-pitched-snl-50-joke-1236141910/

Bit of a diss to the cue card guy, but still.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/justin-baldoni-bahai-blake-lively-legal-feud-1236142565/?taid=67b895017b393700019532ad&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

This picture...have they lost their kinds? What's up with all the ai lately

One thing in that article is that Jenny Slade made a complaint to Sony about Heath.

[Anonymous]

That Hollywood Reporter article is very messed up, between the weird sci-fi AI and bad mouthing his religion based on the stupidest things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That Hollywood Reporter article is very messed up, between the weird sci-fi AI and bad mouthing his religion based on the stupidest things.

There are a lot of aspects of religion in general and his religion or Scientology or any other religion that are hard to talk about without being critical to some degree. This article is clearly trying to take a different angle and say something new instead of rehashing the same points. While it is a bit bizarrely written and the artwork is well....something else...better to read than just another droning on about the same ol.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That Hollywood Reporter article is very messed up, between the weird sci-fi AI and bad mouthing his religion based on the stupidest things.

There are a lot of aspects of religion in general and his religion or Scientology or any other religion that are hard to talk about without being critical to some degree. This article is clearly trying to take a different angle and say something new instead of rehashing the same points. While it is a bit bizarrely written and the artwork is well....something else...better to read than just another droning on about the same ol.

Ba'hai is not a proselytizing faith or anything like scientology though of course the article goes there. There is also lots of negative twisting being done over absolutely mild, nothing things like having a team building exercise, being too worried about people's well being (?!). I looked up the writer and he was sued for defamation before. It'd be interesting to know if he is connected to BL and RR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Hollywood PR agents are scared lol

"There is zero protection for us and it makes me afraid."
If what you’re doing has ramifications for another [celebrity], you’re now going to think that you could get sued.” duh

"Protecting a client and playing defense is one thing; targeting others proactively is completely another.” again duh.

This publicist admits he’s not proud of things they’ve done to hide client behavior in the past. “A lot of the times, we are at the mercy of the people who pay our bills,” AWFUL! Down with this whole system.

From the very start of the Lively-Baldoni shitshow, it was PR who kind of made the situation worse,” notes a third veteran publicist, who believes that the case is “changing the face of PR.”

Good! All of this is good and a positive outcome for the industry and for humanity regardless of the outcome of the case.

I used to work in politics and some of the PR tactics I've read about in this case are akin to certain opposition research tactics that even the hackiest of political hacks would view as totally out line. It's gross and over what? We're not talking about who becomes the president or runs the state of California here. Judd Apatow was right -- all this over a bad movie? Why???

I do hope this case forces PR folks to think twice before doing certain things on behalf of clients, and to push back against clients who want that kind of work done. Maybe this case will result in a ruling somewhere that they can point to and say "nope, too risky." Though even without such a ruling, I'd look at all the texts and emails that have been exposed during this lawsuit and consider that enough of a risk. and Nathan and Abel even though they were being smart -- they multiple times comment that they can't put certain things in writing (though putting "we can't put that in writing" in writing is only slightly less stupid than putting whatever it is in writing).

I hope the entire PR industry is taking a good long look at themselves. Though based on some recent events in the Oscars race, I don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That Hollywood Reporter article is very messed up, between the weird sci-fi AI and bad mouthing his religion based on the stupidest things.

There are a lot of aspects of religion in general and his religion or Scientology or any other religion that are hard to talk about without being critical to some degree. This article is clearly trying to take a different angle and say something new instead of rehashing the same points. While it is a bit bizarrely written and the artwork is well....something else...better to read than just another droning on about the same ol.

Ba'hai is not a proselytizing faith or anything like scientology though of course the article goes there. There is also lots of negative twisting being done over absolutely mild, nothing things like having a team building exercise, being too worried about people's well being (?!). I looked up the writer and he was sued for defamation before. It'd be interesting to know if he is connected to BL and RR.

I have mixed feelings about this. I don't think the article criticizes Baha'í faith, but is highlighting that Wayfarer was created by people who are linked by their religious affiliation. I have known Baha'í people and there is nothing sketchy or weird about them, they just belong to a religion that has a fairly small following. But if Baldoni, Sarowitz, and Heath all knew each other from he same Baptist church, or the same synagogue, or were all part of the Greek Orthodox community, I think they'd talk about it in a similar way. Not to impugn the religion but more to highlight that there may be in-group/out-group dynamics at the company due to that religious affiliation.

I once worked somewhere that a lot of people in management were in open marriages and part of a local community of polyamorous people. I don't have any problem with polyamory and think people should do what they want in their relationships. However, the fact that polyamory was kind of part of the this of this organization DID impact the experience of working there, especially for those of us who were not polyamorous. Now, no one ever tried to convert me, but often people would bring their personal life to work in surprising (and not always productive) ways because they viewed it as a safe place where they could talk about being poly. I could see a similar situation with a faith like Baha'í because it's a small religion without a ton of followers so I could see them thinking of the organization as an extension of their religious in a way that you wouldn't see if they were part of a more mainstream religion, or if they belonged to different religions and knew each other a different way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That Hollywood Reporter article is very messed up, between the weird sci-fi AI and bad mouthing his religion based on the stupidest things.

There are a lot of aspects of religion in general and his religion or Scientology or any other religion that are hard to talk about without being critical to some degree. This article is clearly trying to take a different angle and say something new instead of rehashing the same points. While it is a bit bizarrely written and the artwork is well....something else...better to read than just another droning on about the same ol.

Ba'hai is not a proselytizing faith or anything like scientology though of course the article goes there. There is also lots of negative twisting being done over absolutely mild, nothing things like having a team building exercise, being too worried about people's well being (?!). I looked up the writer and he was sued for defamation before. It'd be interesting to know if he is connected to BL and RR.

Who hasn't been sued for defamation?!!

Critique 1: They often start by asking participants to go around the table and share something private, something that brings them “joy” and has nothing to do with their jobs or their career - a female exec from a company that worked with Wayfarer last year said it made her feel very uncomfortable and was a time waster.

Critique 2: Pushing your beleifs on others: “We think we’re one human family,” Sarowitz told Inspired Insider. “It’s not like we need everyone to be Baha’i. We want to just spread these teachings of oneness. And so that’s what Wayfarer is doing.”

Critique 3: Too much talking about religion - “Baldoni did talk about his religion a lot,” says a source who worked on the 2019 coming-of-age romance Five Feet Apart, which Baldoni directed. “This had shades of Scientology but with less of the prominence and people hovering at all times.” Another source said the 'teamsters' on that set thought he was a freak but that is just because htey arne't in tourch with their feelings or sharing their feelings.

Critique 4: Prayer at work - On the first day of filming, several members of the crew participated in a Baha’i prayer, according to a source. Other sources report that Baldoni frequently would “ask God for guidance” before making big creative decisions on the film.

Critique 5: Too much hugging. Two more sources noted that there was an unusual amount of physical contact in the form of hugging among crewmembers. This is how the faith’s principles and ideas are interpreted and accepted in the cultural contexts,”

Critique 6: According to the article this is not from Bahai but just Baldoni - but he belives he can communicate with the dead and how he gets nudges from those who have passed on and how they guide him. He did a series on this on the Bahai teaching channel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That Hollywood Reporter article is very messed up, between the weird sci-fi AI and bad mouthing his religion based on the stupidest things.

There are a lot of aspects of religion in general and his religion or Scientology or any other religion that are hard to talk about without being critical to some degree. This article is clearly trying to take a different angle and say something new instead of rehashing the same points. While it is a bit bizarrely written and the artwork is well....something else...better to read than just another droning on about the same ol.

Ba'hai is not a proselytizing faith or anything like scientology though of course the article goes there. There is also lots of negative twisting being done over absolutely mild, nothing things like having a team building exercise, being too worried about people's well being (?!). I looked up the writer and he was sued for defamation before. It'd be interesting to know if he is connected to BL and RR.

I have mixed feelings about this. I don't think the article criticizes Baha'í faith, but is highlighting that Wayfarer was created by people who are linked by their religious affiliation. I have known Baha'í people and there is nothing sketchy or weird about them, they just belong to a religion that has a fairly small following. But if Baldoni, Sarowitz, and Heath all knew each other from he same Baptist church, or the same synagogue, or were all part of the Greek Orthodox community, I think they'd talk about it in a similar way. Not to impugn the religion but more to highlight that there may be in-group/out-group dynamics at the company due to that religious affiliation.

I once worked somewhere that a lot of people in management were in open marriages and part of a local community of polyamorous people. I don't have any problem with polyamory and think people should do what they want in their relationships. However, the fact that polyamory was kind of part of the this of this organization DID impact the experience of working there, especially for those of us who were not polyamorous. Now, no one ever tried to convert me, but often people would bring their personal life to work in surprising (and not always productive) ways because they viewed it as a safe place where they could talk about being poly. I could see a similar situation with a faith like Baha'í because it's a small religion without a ton of followers so I could see them thinking of the organization as an extension of their religious in a way that you wouldn't see if they were part of a more mainstream religion, or if they belonged to different religions and knew each other a different way.

I just disagree. This angle makes it sound like some sort of weird and wrong practice and is actually very offensive, especially because it is a small religion. The only actually negative point I can see is as you mention, some cultural aspects you might feel uncomfortable with in the workplace. None of that rises to any level beyond discomfort, which is really also partly about one's bias coming from a bigger majority religion or approach (in this case less sensitive, more traditionally "manly"!).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That Hollywood Reporter article is very messed up, between the weird sci-fi AI and bad mouthing his religion based on the stupidest things.

There are a lot of aspects of religion in general and his religion or Scientology or any other religion that are hard to talk about without being critical to some degree. This article is clearly trying to take a different angle and say something new instead of rehashing the same points. While it is a bit bizarrely written and the artwork is well....something else...better to read than just another droning on about the same ol.

Ba'hai is not a proselytizing faith or anything like scientology though of course the article goes there. There is also lots of negative twisting being done over absolutely mild, nothing things like having a team building exercise, being too worried about people's well being (?!). I looked up the writer and he was sued for defamation before. It'd be interesting to know if he is connected to BL and RR.

Who hasn't been sued for defamation?!!

Critique 1: They often start by asking participants to go around the table and share something private, something that brings them “joy” and has nothing to do with their jobs or their career - a female exec from a company that worked with Wayfarer last year said it made her feel very uncomfortable and was a time waster.

Critique 2: Pushing your beleifs on others: “We think we’re one human family,” Sarowitz told Inspired Insider. “It’s not like we need everyone to be Baha’i. We want to just spread these teachings of oneness. And so that’s what Wayfarer is doing.”

Critique 3: Too much talking about religion - “Baldoni did talk about his religion a lot,” says a source who worked on the 2019 coming-of-age romance Five Feet Apart, which Baldoni directed. “This had shades of Scientology but with less of the prominence and people hovering at all times.” Another source said the 'teamsters' on that set thought he was a freak but that is just because htey arne't in tourch with their feelings or sharing their feelings.

Critique 4: Prayer at work - On the first day of filming, several members of the crew participated in a Baha’i prayer, according to a source. Other sources report that Baldoni frequently would “ask God for guidance” before making big creative decisions on the film.

Critique 5: Too much hugging. Two more sources noted that there was an unusual amount of physical contact in the form of hugging among crewmembers. This is how the faith’s principles and ideas are interpreted and accepted in the cultural contexts,”

Critique 6: According to the article this is not from Bahai but just Baldoni - but he belives he can communicate with the dead and how he gets nudges from those who have passed on and how they guide him. He did a series on this on the Bahai teaching channel.

Only wrong things here are 5 and 6, and 6 (super weird, wrong, creepy!) isn't even Ba'hai as you said yourself. I've had to do 1 as a team building exercise at a totally not Ba'hai workplace, 2 is not valid as it's not even making any point, 3 is people being confused and ignorant and intolerant, 4 is optional, stated so in the statement itself.

[Anonymous]

I actually took it as kind of a puff piece on the religion - it's just touchy feely and about gratefulness and explains away all the hugging. That makes me think there was something legitimate to the complaint about excessive hugging and touching, and they're trying to explain it away as just a different culture. And maybe that's true. But it definitely feels to me like it's meant to address that claim and defend the religion.

The graphic is just confusing because it shows Lively with the sling as David to Baldoni's Goliath when the article skewed pro-Baldoni to me, but then I noticed Baldoni is also holding a sling with a stone so he's also David?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Hollywood PR agents are scared lol

"There is zero protection for us and it makes me afraid."
If what you’re doing has ramifications for another [celebrity], you’re now going to think that you could get sued.” duh

"Protecting a client and playing defense is one thing; targeting others proactively is completely another.” again duh.

This publicist admits he’s not proud of things they’ve done to hide client behavior in the past. “A lot of the times, we are at the mercy of the people who pay our bills,” AWFUL! Down with this whole system.

From the very start of the Lively-Baldoni shitshow, it was PR who kind of made the situation worse,” notes a third veteran publicist, who believes that the case is “changing the face of PR.”

Good! All of this is good and a positive outcome for the industry and for humanity regardless of the outcome of the case.

I used to work in politics and some of the PR tactics I've read about in this case are akin to certain opposition research tactics that even the hackiest of political hacks would view as totally out line. It's gross and over what? We're not talking about who becomes the president or runs the state of California here. Judd Apatow was right -- all this over a bad movie? Why???

I do hope this case forces PR folks to think twice before doing certain things on behalf of clients, and to push back against clients who want that kind of work done. Maybe this case will result in a ruling somewhere that they can point to and say "nope, too risky." Though even without such a ruling, I'd look at all the texts and emails that have been exposed during this lawsuit and consider that enough of a risk. and Nathan and Abel even though they were being smart -- they multiple times comment that they can't put certain things in writing (though putting "we can't put that in writing" in writing is only slightly less stupid than putting whatever it is in writing).

I hope the entire PR industry is taking a good long look at themselves. Though based on some recent events in the Oscars race, I don't know.

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They were acting like they were on an episode of scandal!!! None of that was necessary. Neither one leaked there was issues on set. Come together to deny the issues and move on. What's even worst for me is the fact Melissa and Jennifer hated Justin themselves. Like what is with with you people? These are people's actual lives. Not chess pieces for a "win"