Roe v Wade struck down

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

Where do you consider the line for "life of the mother"?

I had an ectopic pregnancy that was caught early and treated with methotrexate, enabling me to avoid getting to the point of needing surgical removal of the ectopic/tube, or getting to the point of rupture and possible hemorrhage. But the methotrexate was given before my life was "officially" in jeopardy (way before chance of tubal rupture). In your mind, was that acceptable? Or should I have been forced to wait until I was actively hemorrhaging?

Similarly, what about cases like Savita Halapannavar in Ireland, or Amanda Zurawski in Texas (the subject of the new Biden ad)? In both cases, water broke far too early for the fetus to survive but, since there was still a fetal heartbeat, both women were denied appropriate medical treatment (abortion) and went septic. Savita died (and Ireland's anti-abortion laws soon changed). Amanda survived but will likely never be able to carry a pregnancy due to the damage inflicted on her body. What is your threshold for deciding their lived are enough at risk to provide appropriate medical care?

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

Here is no medical procedure called partial birth abortion. There is a procedure sometimes used in the later second trimester into the very early third that is the best option for some women experiencing a doomed but wanted pregnancy, which extracts the fetus in a way that is safest for the mother and her future fertility. Just because you find this procedure gruesome does not mean that it is not the best option for the mother. It is not used willy nilly on healthy pregnancies.

Planned Parenthood is a godsend for so ,any women who can’t afford to go see a doctor for screenings and birth control. Your screed shows how biased you are.

And as some PP said why in the world do want some woman who “sleeps around” and has had 17 abortions to be forced to bring one to term? Maybe get her some birth control from Planned
Parenthood.You sounds extremely judgmental.

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

That’s called the point of viability and Roe already addressed that.

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

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This is one of the most incoherent and ill-informed rants I’ve ever read on here.

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

What you describe is first trimester behavior. Haven't partial birth abortions been banned for a long time?

"The law defines a partial birth abortion as a procedure in which the doctor “deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a headfirst presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of a breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother, for the purpose of performing an overt act (usually the puncturing of the back of the child's skull and removing the baby's brains) that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus.” The number of such abortions carried out each year in the US is thought to be between 2200 and 5000. They are most often performed in the second trimester."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1857800/

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

So you DON'T just believe in "first trimester," as you said before. Was that a lie, or had you just not thought it through?

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

so basically you support Roe.

Thanks for playing.

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

What you describe is first trimester behavior. Haven't partial birth abortions been banned for a long time?

"The law defines a partial birth abortion as a procedure in which the doctor “deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a headfirst presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of a breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother, for the purpose of performing an overt act (usually the puncturing of the back of the child's skull and removing the baby's brains) that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus.” The number of such abortions carried out each year in the US is thought to be between 2200 and 5000. They are most often performed in the second trimester."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1857800/

And those fetuses had already died of natural causes, but you knew that already and decided to mislead with it. This is from the part you left out at your link:

The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists said that the procedure might be the safest but its view had been disregarded. Dr Douglas Laube, president of the college, said that the decision “leaves no doubt that women's health in America is perceived as being of little consequence.”
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Doctors usually refer to the procedure of partial birth abortion as intact dilatation and extraction. The alternative procedure, which is not prohibited, is to dismember the fetus within the uterus and extract it. Partial birth abortion or intact dilatation and evacuation is allowed when the fetus is dead. Killing the fetus by injection and inducing labour is not often used in the US and is thought to be less safe.

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

What? Do you actually think Planned Parenthood sends out employees to solicit abortions from pregnant-appearing people on the street? Are you lying or just so fringe you can't see that's crazy?

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

What you describe is first trimester behavior. Haven't partial birth abortions been banned for a long time?

DP, and no. Because they don't exist. They are a creation of right wing zealots who are determined to believe in them in order to justify their fixation on abortion.

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This is why bans are bad. Force birth, trauma not to mention high medical & funeral bills. For what? This makes me so angry. If GOP thinks the issue of abortion is going away they are sorely wrong. No one is free if they cannot control their own bodies.

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Anonymous wrote:This is why bans are bad. Force birth, trauma not to mention high medical & funeral bills. For what? This makes me so angry. If GOP thinks the issue of abortion is going away they are sorely wrong. No one is free if they cannot control their own bodies.

#life /s

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

Where do you consider the line for "life of the mother"?

I had an ectopic pregnancy that was caught early and treated with methotrexate, enabling me to avoid getting to the point of needing surgical removal of the ectopic/tube, or getting to the point of rupture and possible hemorrhage. But the methotrexate was given before my life was "officially" in jeopardy (way before chance of tubal rupture). In your mind, was that acceptable? Or should I have been forced to wait until I was actively hemorrhaging?

Similarly, what about cases like Savita Halapannavar in Ireland, or Amanda Zurawski in Texas (the subject of the new Biden ad)? In both cases, water broke far too early for the fetus to survive but, since there was still a fetal heartbeat, both women were denied appropriate medical treatment (abortion) and went septic. Savita died (and Ireland's anti-abortion laws soon changed). Amanda survived but will likely never be able to carry a pregnancy due to the damage inflicted on her body. What is your threshold for deciding their lived are enough at risk to provide appropriate medical care?

Still no answer to this??

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie Two Scoops is in panic mode over the moronic decision that happened in Arizona. He knows it’s bad news.

Kind of a wild take you have there. He just reinforced the idea that states' rights exists.

No, he backed away from one of his dumbest brags yet.

And I looooooove that you’re willing to sign away women’s citizenship like it’s nothing.

Citizenship? Do tell.

What do you call it when a person has no bodily autonomy and no legal rights to make decisions for their own body and future? I’d call that second class citizenship. Or straight up slavery. It’s what Republicans want.

You call it what you want.

There's a point where it's about infanticide, not bodily autonomy. Do you have two brains, two hearts, four eyes, etc? Comes a point where your views on killing the innocent are unacceptable.

Okay, so where is the point where it is a reasonable decision to have an abortion -- or do you believe in a total ban on abortion?

First trimester, but my "reasonableness" doesn't matter. Everyone has an opinion, so let states work it out with their constituents. I'm against federalizing every f'n issue. Washington DC does not have all the answers.

So premature rupture of membranes in second trimester, 17 weeks, nonviable to deliver, just wait for sepsis to set in and deliver the fetus after it does naturally? Hope the woman survives septic shock, but because it's past the first trimester, no other options?

I am the previous poster. Exceptions for the life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.

But you're not going to be doing partial-birth abortions because you changed your mind/couldn't make up your mind in the later parts of the pregnancy.

Or you sleep around and have had 17 abortions to your name. That s*** ain't happening. I'm reasonable, but you want to make a business out of encouraging abortions and selling stem cells for $$$, no.

If you're in an area where there are more abortions than live births, that s*** has got to stop. You understand my wavelength now. I'm talking about abuse of the system. Things like clinics pushing abortions to make money. Much like medicare fraud.

Things like Planned Parentthood shifting funds and using fungibility clauses to whack the tax payer for funding when the law clearly states you shall not. Lawfare against the Hyde Amendment. MONETIZING the industry for disgusting evil ends.

And not just the fiscal angle, but also pushing abortions as a right to the point you have to announce you had one just to be cool. It's not cool. Making statements like "I regret not getting pregnant just so I could have an abortion" are counterproductive, but it's reality.

I'm not unreasonable, but there are two sides to every argument.

Where do you consider the line for "life of the mother"?

I had an ectopic pregnancy that was caught early and treated with methotrexate, enabling me to avoid getting to the point of needing surgical removal of the ectopic/tube, or getting to the point of rupture and possible hemorrhage. But the methotrexate was given before my life was "officially" in jeopardy (way before chance of tubal rupture). In your mind, was that acceptable? Or should I have been forced to wait until I was actively hemorrhaging?

Similarly, what about cases like Savita Halapannavar in Ireland, or Amanda Zurawski in Texas (the subject of the new Biden ad)? In both cases, water broke far too early for the fetus to survive but, since there was still a fetal heartbeat, both women were denied appropriate medical treatment (abortion) and went septic. Savita died (and Ireland's anti-abortion laws soon changed). Amanda survived but will likely never be able to carry a pregnancy due to the damage inflicted on her body. What is your threshold for deciding their lived are enough at risk to provide appropriate medical care?

Still no answer to this??

Is an answer from one of the forced birthers going to change anything? At its heart the forced birther answer is essentially that women don’t matter. If one dies here or there it doesn’t matter to them.