Hilaria Baldwin - At it again

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Hillary had white privilege like you read about!

- she grew up in a 100-year-old $4million house in the heart of the most desirable district in Boston called Beacon Hill

- Cambridge School of Weston — where annual tuition costs $52,400 for day students and $64,900 for boarders

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9098971/Hilaria-Baldwin-grew-4M-home-heart-Bostons-upscale-district.html

Her parents, a wealthy doctor and lawyer, seem to have been living the picture perfect DCUM dream...

UNTIL IT ALL WENT HORRIBLY WRONG.

Hahahahahaha! I love this so much.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Kinda, yeah. Being Spanish is part of her schtick, the same schtick which bagged Alec Baldwin. Would anyone know who Hillary was without this entire scheme?

Hilaria wanted fame and now she has infamy.

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Anonymous wrote:I never read this thread or gave a crap about her until this story. Holy, she is crazy!!! I thought maybe she was Spanish-American; but she’s not...at all! Wow. She sounds like just a privileged white rich girl who grew up entitled and never changed.

Nailed it. Thinking everyone else was the stupid one.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not wrong. But this is done. She’s been outed
Mission accomplished.

Can we please stop treating Hillary/Hillaria/whatever like a victim? She isn't. There was no one on a "mission" to "out" her. She caused this herself because she decided to do what she did and that's what happens. Nobody was out to get her. She made the choice she made. If there is a PR team involved with her, they are doing a really, really bad job.

But there was someone on a mission here. According to what the moderator said about this thread there definitely was one person doing most of the posting about this up until this became news.

Well, now the whole world knows the truth. Why do you have such a big problem with that?

Where did I say I have a problem with it? I just corrected some thing you were mistaken about. Or maybe you were lying?

DP here. WTH are you going on about?

I think it's curious that the moderator had this to say in the feedback thread. Someone has been on a mission here all along. I wonder why?

"The Hilaria thread was sort of like that originally. But both the Hilaria thread and the Kanes threads brought in posters from all over who otherwise had no interest in DCUM.

For a while it seemed that the Hilaria thread was dominated by a single rabid poster. She may have single-handedly created this entire controversy. I think she may be more of a wacko than Hilaria. "

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Anonymous wrote:I barely knew anything about this woman before other than some fleeting info on a celebrity news piece...I am familiar with the Baldwin brothers just through the years, and, lately, his SNL impressions of Trump (which I liked!) Anyway, I'm a youngish boomer, about Alec's age) so I'm looking at this maybe from a different perspective. I just do not see a story here and I feel that the original tweet and subsequent investigation created a story where there was none. Intrigued and not currently working, and bored from not doing my usual things, I delved into the pieces and "video evidence."

I don't think this woman, Hilaria, conned anyone. The Spanish culture lives largely in her home, very similarly to a lot of my family and friends who are Jewish. Why isn't this the same thing? We all grew up speaking two or three languages, English, Hebrew, and Yiddish- yet most of us have had never been to Israel until adults or at all. My family has a mild accent, and family members in New York really do, yet do not live in Israel. My family calls me by a different name, and many of my friends, who are not Israeli, and not Eastern European, had full-on Jewish weddings with food and drink and language and dress and custom. They've named their kids Hebrew names. They have Judaica artwork all over their houses. Some have visited Israel, some have not. Some have friends and family who live there, some do not.

Additionally, I know many families who have grandparents and great grandparents from Quebec. They also have French names, call their elders Mame and Pepe, and pepper their speech with various French words, and lot of art and food, despite NEVER HAVING LIVED THERE.
Have you watch any television in the last 20 years? What about Italians? RHONJ? I watched one season. For people who never lived in Italy, they sure spoke a lot of Italian,
discussed Italian food, family culture and mannerisms, and had houses filled with marble flooring and Tuscan kitchens.

I went to college with Greek friends who lived an exact lifestyle depicted in My Big Fat Greek wedding with only having great grandparents, or further down the line- great great grandparents, as the only people ever having lived in Greece.

On the one hand, people claim to want to embrace open borders, globalization, and the proverbial melting pot, but when people do, they are called out for cultural appropriation. Why? Being Spanish isn't a race. It doesn't even have to be an ethnicity. It's a country, and a language, with a culture. Isn't that what we are going for?

Look at their wedding. They both embraced a Spanish theme with both of their families there. If she were trying to convey a lie, (and what is the lie anyway?)would she be able to do that in front of her whole family? The wedding announcement had zero info that is untrue. Nothing was ever misappropriated. This family has embraced a Spanish culture for a lot of reasons pertaining to what she's embraced, or chosen, as a member of her family, looking at her father's resume and academic background, and that's that. Her parents felt comfortable enough to actually move there as young retirees. That didn't happen on a whim. Hilaria's Spanish is on par with native speakers. Their kids have Spanish names. Nothing wrong with it. DNA doesn't inform culture.

Nothing this Hilaria/Hillary has been featured in insinuates any lying, and I've taken a good look at the requisite videos, Hola article, her Mom's clip, everything. It seems that various people took out of context items and crocheted them into something that isn't with a pretty accusatory outcome...and it looks like online bullying, unfortunately, which is something I do know about having taught middle and high school. This is nothing less than that and it's very alarming.

Furthermore, there seems to be years worth of bullying regarding her supposed "gold digging " and motives for marrying. I guess that goes with the territory of marrying a celebrity. I'm pretty sure their days look no different than yours, they just have more money to handle it. Sorry! If I were a gold digger, I doubt I would proceed to have 5 kids with a man 25+ years my senior. She loves him. I also notice that her high school friends speak highly of her, no one is calling her out. They are only clarifying questions. Come on. Find something else to hate- maybe that she looks that good after baby#5. I will never look that good, and it's been 35 years since I had a baby.

In summary, stop this "meshuga" bull$#!++, says this woman who can speak Yiddish fairly well, yet holds 0% DNA in anything allowing me to. I wish this family well. Move on.

Lying and saying you are from Spain, pretending that Spanish is your native language when it is not, carrying this facade for a decade, then saying it's everyone's fault but your own that everything about you references that you are from Spain when you are caught in lie, and the whole rest of this mess, is a con.

Where most are from, lying is wrong.

And, yet, everyone does it. Everyone tells lies from time to time. From little white lies to big old whoppers. Unless you were a duped Instagram fan of hers I can't imagine why you are taking this so personally.

Everyone does not make up a fake persona and lies about it for a decade, then tries to defend it blaming everyone, wrong. Comparing this to a teeny white lie that everyone does is ridiculous. You can feel it is okay and be fine with con artists, other people can find it to be wrong. But, saying "everyone does it" is silly. No, everyone does not.

Your core issue is that lying is wrong. Yet, everyone does lie from telling someone their ok food is great to liking a bad haircut, it's just how things are done. Why are you so upset about this? Hilary didn't lie to me and many others, because until recently many had no idea who she was, and now she's a laughingstock. What else do you want to happen here? She's not getting away with it in the court of public opinion and no crime was actually committed so its not like she's going to be arrested for anything.

No. Being a CON ARTIST is WRONG. Look if you feel it was very sweet and innocent for someone to create a fake persona and run with it, telling everyone lies, that's your jam. We fully support you, k?

Are you 5? There are lots of things that are "wrong" but this just doesn't even really make the top 10 for me unless we're talking about Bernie Madoff level of con artists. This is nothing even close to that.

No need to insult anybody. It is okay for you to feel that con artists are acceptable as long as they fit your criteria of it not being an issue. Other people don't agree. To them you feeling this way is odd, to you them feeling this way is odd. Luckily, the storm for Hillary/Hilaria is over, and she will resurface and people like you will still be fans and people who are not like you will not. It's super okay either way!

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I’m curious for those who don’t understand why this story is blowing up ... why do you think the NY Times, CNN, the LA Times, etc etc are reporting on this story?

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Anonymous wrote:OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

NP here. I don’t think this is perfectly normal but like the PP above, I don’t see the grift or the big deal. It’s stupid but she’s pretty much a nobody. Her parents must be mortified. But who cares? Did she actually hurt anyone, steal anything?

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Anonymous wrote:I really think there was a way out of this mess for her. She should have been humble and ashamed. She could have admitted mental health struggles and insecurity. She could have apologized and asked for ideas from everyone where to donate all the money she made. She could change her whole IG and just post occasionally-real normal photos with nannies if they allow. If she must be on social media she could update people with incites from her therapy and realizations about why this was problematic. She could re-invent herself as someone healing from mental narcissistic tendencies, social media attention, etc. She might get a deal from an one of those online therapy groups for advertising. She could make fun of herself on IG a bit.

YES! She needs help from Melissa Rein Lively (the AZ lady who trashed Target face mask display)... she’s actually a PR professional and has made a remarkable comeback from her mental health breakdown.

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OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

If my sister was going around telling everyone that she was of Slovenian descent and faking a silly accent and doing, I don't know, TikToks of Slovenian dancing, I'd think she was being an idiot, but that's about it. If she was lying e.g. on a job application to the Slovenia consulate about her "background" to try to fluff her resume, then that would be something else entirely. That's a con. The first is just silly. That's why I'm trying to figure out if Hilaria actually "got" something out of this. If not, then god help me I'm about to "defend" this ninny, and agree the public drubbing has been over-the-top.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

NP here. I don’t think this is perfectly normal but like the PP above, I don’t see the grift or the big deal. It’s stupid but she’s pretty much a nobody. Her parents must be mortified. But who cares? Did she actually hurt anyone, steal anything?

It's interesting you should use the term "steal." Someone earlier posted an interesting passage about how this is theft and how all misdeeds ultimately are stealing.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious for those who don’t understand why this story is blowing up ... why do you think the NY Times, CNN, the LA Times, etc etc are reporting on this story?

I wouldn’t say it’s blowing up. It’s more like dish of the day...it’s still fluffy level interest, not hard news.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

NP here. I don’t think this is perfectly normal but like the PP above, I don’t see the grift or the big deal. It’s stupid but she’s pretty much a nobody. Her parents must be mortified. But who cares? Did she actually hurt anyone, steal anything?

Well, technically the brands/companies that paid her thinking she was a different persona than she was might feel it was wrong. Most people would not say that's agreeable or okay. But, grifts are NBD to a lot of people, to your point. The brands/people/companies who don't mind a little lying will stick around

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Anonymous wrote:OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

NP here. I don’t think this is perfectly normal but like the PP above, I don’t see the grift or the big deal. It’s stupid but she’s pretty much a nobody. Her parents must be mortified. But who cares? Did she actually hurt anyone, steal anything?

A culture and an accent. She stole a culture and an accent. And several Latino childrens’ names. And an entire persona.

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She really never said she was born in Spain, came from Spain, nothing. Many of you are picking out pieces of text and attributing it to her. Source your material.

Secondly, it appears that those who are most aggressive about it seem to have limited reasons as to why they are angry. Nothing has happened other than a social media storm based upon nothing.

Social media can be a very very dangerous tool for some. Look at what happened in our government in these last 4 years. Just because someone writes something, it doesn't make it remotely true. This woman literally has not told one lie.

If I were the Baldwins, I would use social media to make it a giant exaggerated joke complete with impersonations of what real cultural appropriations look like. What Hikaria has actually done is not an example.

So many really impressionable and suggestable people is very concerning.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m curious for those who don’t understand why this story is blowing up ... why do you think the NY Times, CNN, the LA Times, etc etc are reporting on this story?

I wouldn’t say it’s blowing up. It’s more like dish of the day...it’s still fluffy level interest, not hard news.

Most people I know are asking each other if they've heard of Hilaria Baldwin, having a quick laugh over the story, and moving on to other topics. It's not really a big deal to most people.