Hilaria Baldwin - At it again

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Anonymous wrote:OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Clearly some of society feels this is perfectly normal and everyone does it, and some do not. So are you saying if you found out your husband or sister were creating a completely false persona and telling everyone it, you would be cool with it, everyone does it? Not disagreeing, would love to hear more of how you'd feel on this.

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Anonymous wrote:Gosh, you have a really superficial view of what matters. Hint, people can be hurt terribly and still keep their material goods. Do you not imagine people suffer terribly psychologically and emotionally from the nastiness of these witch hunts / cancel culture mobs? I’m not condoning HB’s lies, but her “crime” was very limited compared to the damage she’ll sustain. I hope she survives.

Oh god do you hear yourself???? If this is your idea of not surviving, then you need some actual real problems.

Hilaria has brought ALL OF THIS on herself. She is a privileged person who lies constantly.

Yes. This is a lesson that, if you make $ from your image, you are held accountable to some basic integrity, honesty and transparency related to the way you make your money. If I make money from pretending to be vegan, people have the right to roast me for eating steak.

Exactly. Cheryl Strayed was vilified for the exact same wrong when she wrote a book about supposedly having hiked the Pacific Coast Trail all alone. Similarly, there was a lot wrong with her story and she was caught out in a huge lie. Cheryl Strayed DROVE into the trail and did day trips. Then she wrote a book with a false account and the book was made into a movie starring Reese Witherspoon. The community of through hikers spotted a fraud a mile away -- the rest of us bought her dumb book and saw the movie.

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Anonymous wrote:I barely knew anything about this woman before other than some fleeting info on a celebrity news piece...I am familiar with the Baldwin brothers just through the years, and, lately, his SNL impressions of Trump (which I liked!) Anyway, I'm a youngish boomer, about Alec's age) so I'm looking at this maybe from a different perspective. I just do not see a story here and I feel that the original tweet and subsequent investigation created a story where there was none. Intrigued and not currently working, and bored from not doing my usual things, I delved into the pieces and "video evidence."

I don't think this woman, Hilaria, conned anyone. The Spanish culture lives largely in her home, very similarly to a lot of my family and friends who are Jewish. Why isn't this the same thing? We all grew up speaking two or three languages, English, Hebrew, and Yiddish- yet most of us have had never been to Israel until adults or at all. My family has a mild accent, and family members in New York really do, yet do not live in Israel. My family calls me by a different name, and many of my friends, who are not Israeli, and not Eastern European, had full-on Jewish weddings with food and drink and language and dress and custom. They've named their kids Hebrew names. They have Judaica artwork all over their houses. Some have visited Israel, some have not. Some have friends and family who live there, some do not.

Additionally, I know many families who have grandparents and great grandparents from Quebec. They also have French names, call their elders Mame and Pepe, and pepper their speech with various French words, and lot of art and food, despite NEVER HAVING LIVED THERE.
Have you watch any television in the last 20 years? What about Italians? RHONJ? I watched one season. For people who never lived in Italy, they sure spoke a lot of Italian,
discussed Italian food, family culture and mannerisms, and had houses filled with marble flooring and Tuscan kitchens.

I went to college with Greek friends who lived an exact lifestyle depicted in My Big Fat Greek wedding with only having great grandparents, or further down the line- great great grandparents, as the only people ever having lived in Greece.

On the one hand, people claim to want to embrace open borders, globalization, and the proverbial melting pot, but when people do, they are called out for cultural appropriation. Why? Being Spanish isn't a race. It doesn't even have to be an ethnicity. It's a country, and a language, with a culture. Isn't that what we are going for?

Look at their wedding. They both embraced a Spanish theme with both of their families there. If she were trying to convey a lie, (and what is the lie anyway?)would she be able to do that in front of her whole family? The wedding announcement had zero info that is untrue. Nothing was ever misappropriated. This family has embraced a Spanish culture for a lot of reasons pertaining to what she's embraced, or chosen, as a member of her family, looking at her father's resume and academic background, and that's that. Her parents felt comfortable enough to actually move there as young retirees. That didn't happen on a whim. Hilaria's Spanish is on par with native speakers. Their kids have Spanish names. Nothing wrong with it. DNA doesn't inform culture.

Nothing this Hilaria/Hillary has been featured in insinuates any lying, and I've taken a good look at the requisite videos, Hola article, her Mom's clip, everything. It seems that various people took out of context items and crocheted them into something that isn't with a pretty accusatory outcome...and it looks like online bullying, unfortunately, which is something I do know about having taught middle and high school. This is nothing less than that and it's very alarming.

Furthermore, there seems to be years worth of bullying regarding her supposed "gold digging " and motives for marrying. I guess that goes with the territory of marrying a celebrity. I'm pretty sure their days look no different than yours, they just have more money to handle it. Sorry! If I were a gold digger, I doubt I would proceed to have 5 kids with a man 25+ years my senior. She loves him. I also notice that her high school friends speak highly of her, no one is calling her out. They are only clarifying questions. Come on. Find something else to hate- maybe that she looks that good after baby#5. I will never look that good, and it's been 35 years since I had a baby.

In summary, stop this "meshuga" bull$#!++, says this woman who can speak Yiddish fairly well, yet holds 0% DNA in anything allowing me to. I wish this family well. Move on.

Lying and saying you are from Spain, pretending that Spanish is your native language when it is not, carrying this facade for a decade, then saying it's everyone's fault but your own that everything about you references that you are from Spain when you are caught in lie, and the whole rest of this mess, is a con.

Where most are from, lying is wrong.

And, yet, everyone does it. Everyone tells lies from time to time. From little white lies to big old whoppers. Unless you were a duped Instagram fan of hers I can't imagine why you are taking this so personally.

Everyone does not make up a fake persona and lies about it for a decade, then tries to defend it blaming everyone, wrong. Comparing this to a teeny white lie that everyone does is ridiculous. You can feel it is okay and be fine with con artists, other people can find it to be wrong. But, saying "everyone does it" is silly. No, everyone does not.

Your core issue is that lying is wrong. Yet, everyone does lie from telling someone their ok food is great to liking a bad haircut, it's just how things are done. Why are you so upset about this? Hilary didn't lie to me and many others, because until recently many had no idea who she was, and now she's a laughingstock. What else do you want to happen here? She's not getting away with it in the court of public opinion and no crime was actually committed so its not like she's going to be arrested for anything.

No. Being a CON ARTIST is WRONG. Look if you feel it was very sweet and innocent for someone to create a fake persona and run with it, telling everyone lies, that's your jam. We fully support you, k?

Are you 5? There are lots of things that are "wrong" but this just doesn't even really make the top 10 for me unless we're talking about Bernie Madoff level of con artists. This is nothing even close to that.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, Hillary had white privilege like you read about!

- she grew up in a 100-year-old $4million house in the heart of the most desirable district in Boston called Beacon Hill

- Cambridge School of Weston — where annual tuition costs $52,400 for day students and $64,900 for boarders

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9098971/Hilaria-Baldwin-grew-4M-home-heart-Bostons-upscale-district.html

Her parents, a wealthy doctor and lawyer, seem to have been living the picture perfect DCUM dream...

UNTIL IT ALL WENT HORRIBLY WRONG.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not wrong. But this is done. She’s been outed
Mission accomplished.

Can we please stop treating Hillary/Hillaria/whatever like a victim? She isn't. There was no one on a "mission" to "out" her. She caused this herself because she decided to do what she did and that's what happens. Nobody was out to get her. She made the choice she made. If there is a PR team involved with her, they are doing a really, really bad job.

But there was someone on a mission here. According to what the moderator said about this thread there definitely was one person doing most of the posting about this up until this became news.

Well, now the whole world knows the truth. Why do you have such a big problem with that?

I don’t think anyone has a problem with it. It’s just it’s a lot of rehashing of the same details. No one thinks she’s a victim it’s just kinda played out here.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not wrong. But this is done. She’s been outed
Mission accomplished.

Can we please stop treating Hillary/Hillaria/whatever like a victim? She isn't. There was no one on a "mission" to "out" her. She caused this herself because she decided to do what she did and that's what happens. Nobody was out to get her. She made the choice she made. If there is a PR team involved with her, they are doing a really, really bad job.

But there was someone on a mission here. According to what the moderator said about this thread there definitely was one person doing most of the posting about this up until this became news.

Well, now the whole world knows the truth. Why do you have such a big problem with that?

Where did I say I have a problem with it? I just corrected some thing you were mistaken about. Or maybe you were lying?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel for her at this time. I agree what she did was sketchy/shady/wrong and she knew exactly what she was doing and is taking no ownership... blaming media, but never having tried to correct this mis information... but she must be having such extreme anxiety with all of this unraveling. So much embarrassment, anxiety over how her husband is reacting to her lies, her brand being upended, and is also taking care of five kids(granted with 5 nannies but still that’s a lot).

Well, the best way to avoid the pain of that humiliation is to not lie in the first place. What did she think would happen???

No kidding, but the punishment in this case is way out of proportion with the crime. I feel sorry for her and while she shouldn’t have lied, I wonder if she actually hurt anyone - or did this to hurt anyone. And in the scheme of things, there are so many awful humans in the world. Hilaria’s not one of them, regardless of her considerable flaws.

While this story is tantalizing, she’s being bullied and savagely ridiculed for no decent reason.

Hilaria isn't being punished. She still has her 1200 or however many calories a day. Her children aren't being taken away. She has shelter, food and resources to last five lifetimes. What's (possibly) being taken away is a chance at endorsements and a positive social media image. But no one is entitled or guaranteed these things, and she has volunteered to be a public person. No one made her.[/quote]

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THIS.

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This woman is really sick. I don’t follow her and know little about her life except that she’s married to Alec, keeps having babies and is known for oversharing and being a fraud. People are interested in her in the same way you can’t avoid looking at a train wreck.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not wrong. But this is done. She’s been outed
Mission accomplished.

Can we please stop treating Hillary/Hillaria/whatever like a victim? She isn't. There was no one on a "mission" to "out" her. She caused this herself because she decided to do what she did and that's what happens. Nobody was out to get her. She made the choice she made. If there is a PR team involved with her, they are doing a really, really bad job.

But there was someone on a mission here. According to what the moderator said about this thread there definitely was one person doing most of the posting about this up until this became news.

Well, now the whole world knows the truth. Why do you have such a big problem with that?

Where did I say I have a problem with it? I just corrected some thing you were mistaken about. Or maybe you were lying?

DP here. WTH are you going on about?

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not wrong. But this is done. She’s been outed
Mission accomplished.

Can we please stop treating Hillary/Hillaria/whatever like a victim? She isn't. There was no one on a "mission" to "out" her. She caused this herself because she decided to do what she did and that's what happens. Nobody was out to get her. She made the choice she made. If there is a PR team involved with her, they are doing a really, really bad job.

But there was someone on a mission here. According to what the moderator said about this thread there definitely was one person doing most of the posting about this up until this became news.

Alec's been on quite a bit of missions of this nature, but that's okay? Regardless, this was a really open secret in a lot of circles long before now. No one knew it was this big of a grift, but a lot of people figured it out long long before.

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Anonymous wrote:This woman is really sick. I don’t follow her and know little about her life except that she’s married to Alec, keeps having babies and is known for oversharing and being a fraud. People are interested in her in the same way you can’t avoid looking at a train wreck.

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I know people who follow her for that very reason, waiting for her to mess up, like a game. But let's be honest, she started this whole thing on her own, knowingly and willingly.

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Anonymous wrote:OK, I can't read 280 pages, but I am still not clear on why anyone cares? Has Hilaria parlayed some sort of faux-Latinx persona for $$, money, endorsements, roles, etc.? Is there any point to the "I'm from Spain" thing at all other than just some weird alterego-cosplay thing? How can it be a "grift" if there is nothing in it for you?

This seems on par with celebrities changing their name or fibbing about their age or high school experience.

But perhaps I am missing something (say, on page 174-76 of this!)

Kinda, yeah. Being Spanish is part of her schtick, the same schtick which bagged Alec Baldwin. Would anyone know who Hillary was without this entire scheme?

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Anonymous wrote:I barely knew anything about this woman before other than some fleeting info on a celebrity news piece...I am familiar with the Baldwin brothers just through the years, and, lately, his SNL impressions of Trump (which I liked!) Anyway, I'm a youngish boomer, about Alec's age) so I'm looking at this maybe from a different perspective. I just do not see a story here and I feel that the original tweet and subsequent investigation created a story where there was none. Intrigued and not currently working, and bored from not doing my usual things, I delved into the pieces and "video evidence."

I don't think this woman, Hilaria, conned anyone. The Spanish culture lives largely in her home, very similarly to a lot of my family and friends who are Jewish. Why isn't this the same thing? We all grew up speaking two or three languages, English, Hebrew, and Yiddish- yet most of us have had never been to Israel until adults or at all. My family has a mild accent, and family members in New York really do, yet do not live in Israel. My family calls me by a different name, and many of my friends, who are not Israeli, and not Eastern European, had full-on Jewish weddings with food and drink and language and dress and custom. They've named their kids Hebrew names. They have Judaica artwork all over their houses. Some have visited Israel, some have not. Some have friends and family who live there, some do not.

Additionally, I know many families who have grandparents and great grandparents from Quebec. They also have French names, call their elders Mame and Pepe, and pepper their speech with various French words, and lot of art and food, despite NEVER HAVING LIVED THERE.
Have you watch any television in the last 20 years? What about Italians? RHONJ? I watched one season. For people who never lived in Italy, they sure spoke a lot of Italian,
discussed Italian food, family culture and mannerisms, and had houses filled with marble flooring and Tuscan kitchens.

I went to college with Greek friends who lived an exact lifestyle depicted in My Big Fat Greek wedding with only having great grandparents, or further down the line- great great grandparents, as the only people ever having lived in Greece.

On the one hand, people claim to want to embrace open borders, globalization, and the proverbial melting pot, but when people do, they are called out for cultural appropriation. Why? Being Spanish isn't a race. It doesn't even have to be an ethnicity. It's a country, and a language, with a culture. Isn't that what we are going for?

Look at their wedding. They both embraced a Spanish theme with both of their families there. If she were trying to convey a lie, (and what is the lie anyway?)would she be able to do that in front of her whole family? The wedding announcement had zero info that is untrue. Nothing was ever misappropriated. This family has embraced a Spanish culture for a lot of reasons pertaining to what she's embraced, or chosen, as a member of her family, looking at her father's resume and academic background, and that's that. Her parents felt comfortable enough to actually move there as young retirees. That didn't happen on a whim. Hilaria's Spanish is on par with native speakers. Their kids have Spanish names. Nothing wrong with it. DNA doesn't inform culture.

Nothing this Hilaria/Hillary has been featured in insinuates any lying, and I've taken a good look at the requisite videos, Hola article, her Mom's clip, everything. It seems that various people took out of context items and crocheted them into something that isn't with a pretty accusatory outcome...and it looks like online bullying, unfortunately, which is something I do know about having taught middle and high school. This is nothing less than that and it's very alarming.

Furthermore, there seems to be years worth of bullying regarding her supposed "gold digging " and motives for marrying. I guess that goes with the territory of marrying a celebrity. I'm pretty sure their days look no different than yours, they just have more money to handle it. Sorry! If I were a gold digger, I doubt I would proceed to have 5 kids with a man 25+ years my senior. She loves him. I also notice that her high school friends speak highly of her, no one is calling her out. They are only clarifying questions. Come on. Find something else to hate- maybe that she looks that good after baby#5. I will never look that good, and it's been 35 years since I had a baby.

In summary, stop this "meshuga" bull$#!++, says this woman who can speak Yiddish fairly well, yet holds 0% DNA in anything allowing me to. I wish this family well. Move on.

Lying and saying you are from Spain, pretending that Spanish is your native language when it is not, carrying this facade for a decade, then saying it's everyone's fault but your own that everything about you references that you are from Spain when you are caught in lie, and the whole rest of this mess, is a con.

Where most are from, lying is wrong.

And, yet, everyone does it. Everyone tells lies from time to time. From little white lies to big old whoppers. Unless you were a duped Instagram fan of hers I can't imagine why you are taking this so personally.

Everyone does not make up a fake persona and lies about it for a decade, then tries to defend it blaming everyone, wrong. Comparing this to a teeny white lie that everyone does is ridiculous. You can feel it is okay and be fine with con artists, other people can find it to be wrong. But, saying "everyone does it" is silly. No, everyone does not.

Your core issue is that lying is wrong. Yet, everyone does lie from telling someone their ok food is great to liking a bad haircut, it's just how things are done. Why are you so upset about this? Hilary didn't lie to me and many others, because until recently many had no idea who she was, and now she's a laughingstock. What else do you want to happen here? She's not getting away with it in the court of public opinion and no crime was actually committed so its not like she's going to be arrested for anything.

No. Being a CON ARTIST is WRONG. Look if you feel it was very sweet and innocent for someone to create a fake persona and run with it, telling everyone lies, that's your jam. We fully support you, k?

Hilaria is a psychologically disturbed woman married to a psychologically disturbed man. Those poor "baldwinitos."

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Anonymous wrote:You’re not wrong. But this is done. She’s been outed
Mission accomplished.

Can we please stop treating Hillary/Hillaria/whatever like a victim? She isn't. There was no one on a "mission" to "out" her. She caused this herself because she decided to do what she did and that's what happens. Nobody was out to get her. She made the choice she made. If there is a PR team involved with her, they are doing a really, really bad job.

But there was someone on a mission here. According to what the moderator said about this thread there definitely was one person doing most of the posting about this up until this became news.

Alec's been on quite a bit of missions of this nature, but that's okay? Regardless, this was a really open secret in a lot of circles long before now. No one knew it was this big of a grift, but a lot of people figured it out long long before.

+1

There is not just one person who is entertained by this, I will tell you that much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The community of through hikers spotted a fraud a mile away -- the rest of us bought her dumb book and saw the movie.

I'm just happy you said that book was dumb. I hated it so much and thought I was the only one!